3D Scam Thread in Techrepublic

[jatinmalhotra]

Stop being duped by the 3D scam | TechRepublic

Now this makes me to go to check out the existing 3D TVs in market. Do any 3D tv users in Forum agree with this ?

 

[manu79]

I totally agree with the author, more than a techno marvel i find 3D a gimmick. Its not about the fact that we are used to seeing 2d in motion. But whole experience fails to bring in any excitement beyond the initial few hours and is taxing on eyes.

 

[kaushik]

as chicken goes for Halal..ignorant consumers too go and hypes give good $ to the companies

Most people buy big TV by watching the Bluray playbacks in showrooms , upto 40inch Tvs normal videos do good , for bigger Tvs where you will get Blu-rays even people buying Blurays in 1k range ..but how many you can buy ?

3d scam is real truth , if you get the 3d model for extra 10k go for it .
i did demo of 3D videos with sony .. pretty good to see the initial 3d technology .
But not worth paying 30% extra ...

 

[borg]

what we want instead of 3d is this tech
Touchable Holography

 

[Bluu]

This is very interesting. I work at DreamWorks and I know our company spends a lot of resources to make out movies look good in 3D. All the films made by us after Monsters vs Aliens were shot in 3D and not converted from 2D.

Also, Samsung is in a partnership with DW which is why you see them pushing their 3D TVs on to customers.

Now, I myself find 3D intolerable and use only as much as I need to, to stay employed. However, the fact that the 3D experience on a TV is substantially worse than in the theater should be worrisome for manufacturers and content creators both. That said, I would disagree with the word "scam" to describe the situation. It's not like you're being misled into watching a 3D film. You are free to go watch the same film in 2D. Case in point is Kung Fu Panda 2. I had the opportunity to watch the private world premier of the movie in 3D but passed up the chance, to watch it in 2D instead.

3D is what it is. Yes, colors are dulled and it can lead to discomfort but its not a "scam". If you don't like, stick to 2D. Simple.

 

[indiglo]

3d is still a novelty,NOT mainstream, Nor mature perfected!...but i dont see it to a point of being called a "Scam"!!!...there r still more 2d tv's than 3d tv's in the market & even in Full 3d tvs,there is the basic great 2d picture that majority of ppl would watch most of the time. And if the difference in price between 2d & 3d at comparative sizes ain't much,what the harm of bringing a 3d home for occasional indulgence? Though,till date it's more of a hoopla ,still technologies r always evolving & better content r produced to deliver a better 3d picture. As previous posterhas said it .."If you don't like current gen.3d at all, stick to 2D. Simple.!"

 

[bv_abhi]

3d is not a scam it's a technological evolution which takes your wallet.

 

[manu79]

Its not about which technology to stick with, the OP wanted our opinion in terms of our experience with 3d TV's...

And if our experience helps users\readers making a choice then so be it

 

[prankey]

Well there is NO SCAM in 3D TV... Only the experience differ.. Remember we come from those colored 3D glasses with terrible ghosting and color fidelity... These current crop of 3D TVs are certainly superior to them... They just need to continue with the improvement in technology..

 

[BLASTO]

Below is my summary on watching a 3D movie

First 15 mins - Astonishment/glee inspite of dull contrast.
Next 10 mins - Curiously aware of the glasses : look at other audience's expressions to figure out if Iam the only one.
Next 15 mins - Discomfort in the nose due to wearing glasses. Reduced contrast and unnatural colours overpower projected images.
Next 15 mins - Very uncomfortable, try to watch the movie without glasses and fail, feel 2D version would have been better.
Next 15 mins - Headache, sweat in A/C (inexplicable), pain in the nose.
Next 15 mins - Headache, sweat, unable to concentrate on the film, ask other people is they are ok and get negative results.
Reminder - Wait for the movie to get over!!

With the above cycle, 'I' am not the target for 3D TV even with good contents. The simulated 3D (from 2D) content, I guess will be much much worse.

The movie was Avatar and the theatre was IMAX. So I guess 'presentation' is much better than 3D TVs of the world.

Had a 3D demowith a high end sony 3D LED, it was absolutely pathetic and nowhere close to even the bad theatre experience. Asked the salesman if this is set properly in disbelief and got an yes as reply. Can't believe anyone would buy the TV after having that demo.

3D TVs are not scams but junk. (In my perception)

 

[deba]

Its a big no for 3D in the A/V Industry but can make some place in Gaming.......

 

[prankey]

Below is my summary on watching a 3D movie

First 15 mins - Astonishment/glee inspite of dull contrast.
Next 10 mins - Curiously aware of the glasses : look at other audience's expressions to figure out if Iam the only one.
Next 15 mins - Discomfort in the nose due to wearing glasses. Reduced contrast and unnatural colours overpower projected images.
Next 15 mins - Very uncomfortable, try to watch the movie without glasses and fail, feel 2D version would have been better.
Next 15 mins - Headache, sweat in A/C (inexplicable), pain in the nose.
Next 15 mins - Headache, sweat, unable to concentrate on the film, ask other people is they are ok and get negative results.
Reminder - Wait for the movie to get over!!

With the above cycle, 'I' am not the target for 3D TV even with good contents. The simulated 3D (from 2D) content, I guess will be much much worse.

The movie was Avatar and the theatre was IMAX. So I guess 'presentation' is much better than 3D TVs of the world.

Had a 3D demowith a high end sony 3D LED, it was absolutely pathetic and nowhere close to even the bad theatre experience. Asked the salesman if this is set properly in disbelief and got an yes as reply. Can't believe anyone would buy the TV after having that demo.

3D TVs are not scams but junk. (In my perception)

You seems to be one of those individuals (no offense meant!) who gets into this conflicting situation of "trying" to perceive 3D using stereo vision instead of naturally perceive the same. Such reactions as yours is VERY UNIQUE and does not apply to many of us (though I can relate to the terrible ghosting some of these 3D TVs exhibit).

The trouble you had watching Avatar in most presentable form was due to the sort of "phobia" some of us have while watching stereo vision (different vision on each eye) as not all of us can perceive 3D that way! Also, even when we are able to perceive the vision correctly, we get into an anxiety or unknown fear that you are doing something "wrong" or "incorrect" when watching something which is "supposed" to be seen in 2D!

Trust me, if you could try to be more relaxed and watch the movie enjoying the 3D content, you may never feel the way you felt (please re-read/recall your experience on how much you were concerned about how you felt instead of how did the movie look in 3D).

Such reactions are very individual just like people can't tolerate high dynamic range of a movie theater sound or high volume audio!!! Hope you are understanding what I am trying to say.. Some of us like regular dynamic range compressed audio instead of hearing it at different volume levels... Some of us prefer regular TV speakers sound than through a high power amp delivered through large speakers.. Also, some of us feel uncomfortable watching video on a large screen even at home..

Gist - as I have highlighted, 3D experience can be more related to an individual than the technology itself...

 

[manu79]

Trust me, if you could try to be more relaxed and watch the movie enjoying the 3D content, you may never feel the way you felt (please re-read/recall your experience on how much you were concerned about how you felt instead of how did the movie look in 3D).

Tried that approach but it more or less ended up like how an ostrich deals with the situation.hyeah:

 

[prankey]

Tried that approach but it more or less ended up like how an ostrich deals with the situation.hyeah:

Hehe, I understand.. But I personally have loved 3D since my childhood... even those color coded ones never caused such discomfort despite bad color performance and ghosting... Last year's 3D was also very nice to me with better colors and ghosting performance... I used to see movies for several hours (8 to 10 hours) and play games (side by side and interlaced 3D programming), and never felt anything other than the WOW factor

This year's Samsung 3D and LG Cinema 3D were great, much better than last year's during brief demo I took...

 

[Bluu]

Prankey - Good to hear that there is someone out there to appreciate the work we put in!

 

[prankey]

Prankey - Good to hear that there is someone out there to appreciate the work we put in!

Yes I DEFINITELY and CERTAINLY appreciate your efforts.. Issues lie in some consumer products that are not perfected like we see in good movie halls... However we will always find some people who will be uncomfortable watching 3D using stereo vision techniques (3D glasses filtering images separately for left and right eye).

I really hope that in the coming 10 years we see technology advance to use laser beams to project images in 3D space in our living room which will avoid this stereo technique which bothers a lot of people who can not perceive 3D very well that way..

 

[BLASTO]

You seems to be one of those individuals (no offense meant!) who gets into this conflicting situation of "trying" to perceive 3D using stereo vision instead of naturally perceive the same. Such reactions as yours is VERY UNIQUE and does not apply to many of us (though I can relate to the terrible ghosting some of these 3D TVs exhibit).

The trouble you had watching Avatar in most presentable form was due to the sort of "phobia" some of us have while watching stereo vision (different vision on each eye) as not all of us can perceive 3D that way! Also, even when we are able to perceive the vision correctly, we get into an anxiety or unknown fear that you are doing something "wrong" or "incorrect" when watching something which is "supposed" to be seen in 2D!

Trust me, if you could try to be more relaxed and watch the movie enjoying the 3D content, you may never feel the way you felt (please re-read/recall your experience on how much you were concerned about how you felt instead of how did the movie look in 3D).

Gist - as I have highlighted, 3D experience can be more related to an individual than the technology itself...

Very much possible. Iam not denying that. Thats why I have mentioned specifically that it is MY perception. Having said that, do I feel bad having that phobia in me? Well, Somehow 2D holds good for me and I dont..

I have mentioned that the first 15 minutes are enjoyable though. Would have been happy if all the good scenes were in the first 15 mins lol..

I have also watched the 4D movie in prasads.. It runs for ~15 mins on haunted house, space voyage etc with 3D + additional effects of water splashing, moving chairs, vibrations, blowing wind etc (Pretty good experience for ~100 I would say). I was feeling great when I came out of the theatre and was wondering it might me due to the (only) 15 mins runtime of the movie. But thinking now, It would be very well due to the 'distractions' in the form of water, vibrations etc (the 4th D basically) which prevented me from perceiving two different frames at the same time.

Eitherway, the way forward is to bring in the 4th D as mentioned or cutting out 3D in to 10 minutes chunks split throughout the movie so that people get out of the phobia.

Having said all that, people who came with me and also the others I enquired felt some kind of uneasiness.. Only the degree varries..

 

[akhil7j]

I just shared my experience with my new 3D TV. I completely disagree to the article if he is also talking about LG Cinema 3D. But if he has not demonstrated these 3D TVs, "Poor Guy".!

I just shared my experience in other thread. http://www.hifivision.com/television/17500-hunt-starts-3d-tv-plasma-led-11.html#post250558

Those who want real 3D experience in NCR, I respectfully invite you to my apartment. The setup is 47LW6500, Epos M22i's for fronts, QAcoustics for rear and Denon 1611. First see then say how is it.

 

[Kittu]

Sorry for going off topic here, how much are the epos m22i?

 

[akhil7j]

Sorry for going off topic here, how much are the epos m22i?

Prices gone high this year. 94k a pair.