A New Cyrus Integrated: 6vs replaces ailing 3i

Thad E Ginathom

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With very mixed feelings, I bought a new amplifier.

Why mixed feelings? Isn't this something we all love to do?

Well, not when perfectly happy with the old one, and also not using it enough to really justify major expenditure.

So why? Because my Cyrus 3i was increasingly failing to respond to its control buttons, and the remote had ceased to work altogether.

This is an amplifier that I bought around ten years ago, for GBP300, half-price, ex-demo (my kind of deal :) ) and which, when I took it home, a little concerned at how it's 50w might stand up to the existing 120w Sherwood, knocked me back with delight: it made the Sherwood sound nothing less than course!

Planning repair, I contacted Cyrus in UK. They have fixed-rate service/repair charges for each model. Not cheap, and it is a hefty thing to ship, plus worries over customs both entering UK and returning to India. Cyrus said, please talk to our India distributors.

Well, it seems that Cyrus really don't want to say goodbye to an old customer.

Jay, of Soundnvision, told me that repair for this ten-year-plus amp was maybe not impossible, but close to it. The Customer-keeping exercise was to offer the current model at a fairly hefty buy-back discount. This was still a lot of money.

Jay responded to my obvious doubts by offering a previous model at a similar discount, and I decided to go for it.

There used to be a much loved black 3i on my shelf. There is now a silver 6vs2.

First impressions? It is hard to say. I spent far too much time swapping speaker terminations to do what I can call a reliable AB test, and, due to those different connectors at the amp end, I cannot swap and play.

I'd say, hmmm... maybe a little lighter weight. Physically, it is certainly a lighter weight. I suspect that the big toroidal transformer in the 3i might have been the victim of some economising. Anyway, the Cyrus silver looks smart. Very smart.

I haven't had the time yet to plug the headphones in, and, these days, I use the headphones more than speakers (on the PC: the 3i lacked a headphone output). That should be interesting :)

Now my really ancient entry-level Marantz CD player is ailing too... so I am keeping my vulture eyes open for a bargain. This one has to be a keep-us-going modest machine, partly because we just don't have the money, and partly because music increasingly is fed through the Squeezebox. We could live entirely without a seperate CD player, even playing physical CDs on the PC via Squeezeserver.

But a CDP is so easy. And, what with the cassette player being dead too, that shelf looks so bare...

What really upsets me is how much a modest Marantz costs here, compared with picking up one (or a Cambridge Audio) in London, especially from Richer Sounds, but international flights are more expensive than amplifiers, and I have no other reason to be rushing back there for the foreseeable future.
 
Congrats Thad! Happy for your experience in dealing with Cyrus and their distributor. Fortunately you had a better experience with Cyrus than me. When I had issues with my Cyrus 8 I contacted the India distributor. Only options I was offered to have the unit repaired but it was mandatory to upgrade the unit to latest specs. at a 20% discount of the new unit. Did not make sense to me.
Then I contacted Cyrus directly through my technician who trouble shot the unit to a burnt power supply module. I asked Cyrus if I could buy the module separately. I even offered to send the faulty module back to them, but they did not relent. They wanted me to ship the whole unit back and only then they would perform repairs and as you mentioned with cost of shipping and customs this is pointless.
Needless to say the unit is sitting with my technician for the past 6 mos, and I have decided not to go the Cyrus way again ever. I still have a cyrus 3 and when it dies I am moving on from this brand. A pity because I loved the sound of the 8 and would have spent my money on a cyrus down the road but with the lack of support I experienced I am not going to do that. Hopefully mine is an isolated case.
Cheers,
Sid
 
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Congrats Thad, what speakers are you pairing them with? Enjoy :).


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Thad

Congratulations. As you are already aware I too belong to the Cyrus fan club. I love the sound and the shoebox look. I am not convinced about their pricing and after sales.

I know you are a cable 'atheist' but both my 8VS2 and 6VS2 loved the Chord Carnival SilverScreen cables. They are worth their price of 250-300 rupees per meter. I am sure you have a good stock of the BFA plugs required with Cyrus amps. You could terminate the speaker end or leave it bare. I don't know what cables you are using at the moment but the Chord's would be a minor expense and a major upgrade over basic speaker cables.

The 6VS2 can handle Mahler or any other big and brawny recording. Provided the room is less than 200 sq feet, the source and recording are good and the volume is not cranked beyond 11'o'clock levels. It sounds smooth, rich and refined with the Vienna Acoustics. But the detail and soundstage provided by Bryston is missing. I feel the 6VS2 would pare very nicely with one of these:

Vienna Acoustics - high end speakers and loudspeakers for your home theatre

Vienna Acoustics - high end speakers and loudspeakers for your home theatre
 
Thanks, people.

sidvee, I'm sorry to hear about your experience, was it recent? The steps on the Cyrus prices are pretty steep, so a compulsory upgrade must have been a big sting. At one point I had a Cyrus CDP as well, but it was not a happy ownership experience: it spent about six weeks back at Cyrus for a warranty repair, and subsequently broke down and I gave it away to someone who likes to tinker with innards. I didn't try local repair for the 3i. I checked it wasn't clogged with dust (actually, partly due to the upside-down Cyrus design, it was very clean inside. My hunch was that this kind of problem was going to probably be in an IC. Proprietary control stuff.

The fixed price for maintenance of the 3i, with Cyrus UK, is over GBP200: approaching 20,000 at today's frightening exchange rate. As we all know, this is no time to be spending Rs abroad. Luckily, my "gadget fund" is the accumulation of a small pension in UK, but anyway, cost-of-living/spending matters get inevitably get translated into Rs, because that's what we live on.

My speakers are Castle Severn 2, by coincidence, also GBP300, at a 50% ex-demo (with minor marks) from the same London shop. I'd been there, about a year before buying the Cyrus, to audition an Arcam amp, which the ended up not having available, but I listened to a few others, and ...bought the speakers!

I cannot remember what first interested me in Cyrus, but, somehow, I felt brand loyalty sufficient not to shop around --- despite the choice that a budget of over 40,000 would have given me!


My 3i had banana plugs. My existing cables, bi-wired, were terminated for me to fit the 3i, as a freebie, by the shop. Cyrus supply just four BFA plugs (despite equipping the amp with eight sockets, which is mean).

Cyrus used to belong to NXT. I used to have a 2.1 flat-panel computer-speaker system from NXT (quite good at MRP, an excellent GBP50 end-of-line Richer Sounds bargain). The Cyrus BFAs are exactly the same as the ones that came with that (Damn! that means I must have a pair somewhere :o --- I never throw an old cable away!). My current cable is Richer-Sounds Something-or-Other :)

I have no proper listening space in this small house. It is crammed with furniture. Before I could pay proper attention to soundstage, I would need a new house!

ajay, although without experience, I'm sure any decent amp would go well with your speakers. A speaker upgrade, though, is really not on the cards for me.

Space or no space, I do prefer floor-standers. I like them far better as pieces of furniture (and we do have to look at, as well as listen to, these things) and I am always concerned by the top-heavy nature of heavy, small units on stands. I'd relent on that for Genelecs, or the Mangers that have caught my eye recently :D
 
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sidvee, I'm sorry to hear about your experience, was it recent?
Fairly recent Thad - correspondance with Cyrus UK was about 6mos back. I sent them pictures of the innards showing the defects. The sad part is the fix was fairly simple and possibly inexpensive and it was a small and light part. I even offered to buy the whole board which would have been a bit more but not 80,000 which was the price to upgrade and fix the unit. Anyways I can't blame Cyrus solely, had similar issue with a Conrad Johnson pre amp. which retailed for about $7k US. The indian retailer who was quite courteous and respectful told me that it might cost a bomb to repair it here. Anyways due to the high cost of the unit I did make the effort to take it back to US got it fixed there by Conrad Johnson (who btw have great service in US) for about $200 and sold it on Audiogon. I believe the estimate to get it fixed in India was close to $2k:sad:
Anyways good luck with your 6vs2. It is a good amp.
Cheers,
Sid
 
I have cyrus 8vs2. I was the first owner. Reg Cyrus what I feel is It is very good amp with forwarding sound good high frequencies. Mid is similar to all ss amp. But when comes to Low it is little bit thin. So it needs matching speakers and interconnects and wires. Qed silver anniversary was the worst matching. Bfa plug is the main draw back. I found my Einestin tremolo was superb match for it. Some says it perfectly matches with dynaudio I dont know. I used it as a pre amp which also I found good with good remote.
 
Buttons may easily be fixed spraying a little contact cleaner after opening the face plate perhaps? And a programmable remote available cheap could have done the trick too I guess ? At a fraction of the price ...


At the price of a new amp?!! :eek: As a movie character once said ...
"Un paison mein ... babuji ... mein apne bibi aur bachhon ko poore ek saal paet bhar khaana khila sakta tha ... "
:ohyeah:


But hey enjoy the new amp ... and happy listening !!
--G
 
@Thad: congrats on the new amp. I'm sure it will bring you many years of happy listening.
 
gobble, if you could run that by me in Tamil ...I could ask my wife what it means :lol:

The cyrus font-panel board is actually relatively difficult to get to (and worse to re-assemble). I did take a look, though. Like many parts of urban India, we have our fair share of dust, with an added unfair share of industrial pollution. I was surprised to find everything that I could see was squeaky clean! The buttons are all sealed micro-switch-type units; their action felt fine
 
gobble, if you could run that by me in Tamil ...I could ask my wife what it means :lol:

The cyrus font-panel board is actually relatively difficult to get to (and worse to re-assemble). I did take a look, though. Like many parts of urban India, we have our fair share of dust, with an added unfair share of industrial pollution. I was surprised to find everything that I could see was squeaky clean! The buttons are all sealed micro-switch-type units; their action felt fine

Well .. ask any Hindi speaker to read it aloud in a tremulous voice full of piety and humility ... :lol: then translate ... you need ot have watched some B&W movies from the 50s to enjoy that though :ohyeah:

I am sure a seasoned local repair guy could have had some luck with that. Anyways a new amp is like a new girlfriend ... Enjoy the thrill while it lasts ... ;)

--G
 
Hello to all cyrus lovers,iam now having cyrus3i before this I had cyrus3 I feel the audio quality is different from 3 and 3i I like 3 audio quality now I need a opinion from the user side so any one please give a real difference between 3 and 3i ,in 3 when power up and power off in speaker there is a blowing sound I heared loudly but in 3i now noise like that but 3 has real audio quality
Thank you to all
Sankar
Muthur
 
I cannot help you, sankar, as I only experienced the 3i before this current 6vs.

What with power cuts and other things to do. the 6vs was somewhat neglected for a few days. Having another listening session, though, I was more pleased with the sound. It's reasonably objective that the volume control has to be set higher than that of the 3i, but, otherwise, I claim nothing but entirely subjective response and report.

Burn in is one of those things that I read a lot about on the net. Except for speakers (actual moving parts) I'm very sceptical about it. Anyway, Cyrus is not, and it says on the box that the amp should be given three whole days of music playing to bring out its capabilities. That's going to take me an age!

One way or another, the auditioning of a new product on the shelf is fraught with all kinds of expectancy on the one hand, and concern on the other. My original 3i plugging in and my RME sound cards were pure OhWow! moments with absolutely no doubts. This is not so easy. Is the sound less weighty than the 3i was? Or is it cleaner? Either could be true --- or both!

Plugging in the headphones was less ambiguous. I have been happy using them with the headphone output of my audio interface, but now I know what they sound like plugged into a "proper" amplifier! There was a depth and richness, a real sense of good-old-high-fidelity classical music listening. Yep! I need that headphone amp I've been wondering about for the PC! (I don't know which one yet, and I think that, even though it will be much smaller purchase, it must wait until next year).

Or... is it just that the sound was warmer? There was a touch of hardness about the violins in places, too. Nothing's perfect perhaps!

This listening session, by the way, was Mahler's 4th symphony, FLAC, via Squeezebox Duet.
 
I cannot help you, sankar, as I only experienced the 3i before this current 6vs.

What with power cuts and other things to do. the 6vs was somewhat neglected for a few days. Having another listening session, though, I was more pleased with the sound. It's reasonably objective that the volume control has to be set higher than that of the 3i, but, otherwise, I claim nothing but entirely subjective response and report.

Burn in is one of those things that I read a lot about on the net. Except for speakers (actual moving parts) I'm very sceptical about it. Anyway, Cyrus is not, and it says on the box that the amp should be given three whole days of music playing to bring out its capabilities. That's going to take me an age!

One way or another, the auditioning of a new product on the shelf is fraught with all kinds of expectancy on the one hand, and concern on the other. My original 3i plugging in and my RME sound cards were pure OhWow! moments with absolutely no doubts. This is not so easy. Is the sound less weighty than the 3i was? Or is it cleaner? Either could be true --- or both!

Plugging in the headphones was less ambiguous. I have been happy using them with the headphone output of my audio interface, but now I know what they sound like plugged into a "proper" amplifier! There was a depth and richness, a real sense of good-old-high-fidelity classical music listening. Yep! I need that headphone amp I've been wondering about for the PC! (I don't know which one yet, and I think that, even though it will be much smaller purchase, it must wait until next year).

Or... is it just that the sound was warmer? There was a touch of hardness about the violins in places, too. Nothing's perfect perhaps!

This listening session, by the way, was Mahler's 4th symphony, FLAC, via Squeezebox Duet.

Thank u Thad E Ginathom for your reply
I decided to replace my 3i to cyrus3, I cannot compromise with cyrus 3 ,3i sounds loud and high bass but cyrus 3 sounds very natural like we are in front of musican and singer I have bose am5 for this cyrus3i, so I like to exchange if any body have cyrus3
Thank u
Sankar
 
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