AVR + Stereo setup?

[oli]

Hello Hifivisioners,
Just had a question. I recently auditioned a dedicated stereo system with a stereo amplifier connected to a few high end speakers (sonus fibre liuto) and the sound was really amazing. I then moved on to a 5.1 setup with a denon avr-2113 connected to some high end focal speakers and played the same track (the amp I was told was connected in stereo mode) but I felt in this case, overall sound quality wasn't as great as the stereo setup. Now it may be that the speakers themselves were contributing to the better quality in first case, but having a dedicated stereo amplifier for music certainly appeared to have made a difference.

So if it does make a difference, is it possible to have a avr receiver + stereo setup. From what I have found out is that the avr shoud have a pre-out (which is present in the more expensive amplifiers...denon 2313 for example, costing 70k in India, 55k shipped from the UK), whch can then be input to the stereo amplifier.

Honestly, I would not like having two different setups for music and movies.

 

[jagdish_p]

Alternative to an AVR with Preouts you can have a source selector switch for the speakers. See below links.

http://www.radioshack.com/graphics/uc/rsk/Support/ProductManuals/55027407_PM_EN.pdf
or the costllier automatic switch like the one below
Speaker Selectors - Automatic Source Selector AB-3.2

I guess we will get something similar in India also

 

[shanmune]

Hello Hifivisioners,
Just had a question. I recently auditioned a dedicated stereo system with a stereo amplifier connected to a few high end speakers (sonus fibre liuto) and the sound was really amazing. I then moved on to a 5.1 setup with a denon avr-2113 connected to some high end focal speakers and played the same track (the amp I was told was connected in stereo mode) but I felt in this case, overall sound quality wasn't as great as the stereo setup. Now it may be that the speakers themselves were contributing to the better quality in first case, but having a dedicated stereo amplifier for music certainly appeared to have made a difference.

So if it does make a difference, is it possible to have a avr receiver + stereo setup. From what I have found out is that the avr shoud have a pre-out (which is present in the more expensive amplifiers...denon 2313 for example, costing 70k in India, 55k shipped from the UK), whch can then be input to the stereo amplifier.

Honestly, I would not like having two different setups for music and movies.

You can have these two different setups as shown below:-

setup:1(NOTE:AV receiver with only front 2 channel preout like Denon 2313)
--------

Stereo setup(CD player)-->Stereo_Amp-->Source_select_switch-->speakers
^
|
Dish/video/audio_source-->AV_receiver---->


setup:2(NOTE:AV receiver with only front 2 channel preout like Denon 2313)
-------

^-->surround_speakers
|
Stereo setup->AV_receiver(front 2 channel preout)->stereo_amp-->speakers
^
|
Video/audio_source

To enjoy best of both movies and music, you can go for setup-2.

NOTE: As far as I know, Denon 2313 retails around 50k in India.

 

[oli]

thanks a lot Jagdish for the tip and thanks Shanmune.
Your post has made me think a bit, Shanmune. In the first setup, I don't have to worry about finding an expensive avr with a preout.....provided the switcher is cheap. In the second setup, I'll have great quality audio in movies too, because the stereo amp will be driving the front 2 speakers.
The denon 2313 is available for 80k on ebay
Denon - AVR 2313 - 7.2 AV Surround Receiver | eBay

and for about 60k or more (customs included) from here
Denon AVR-2313 7.2-Channel AV Receiver 3D | Audio & Video | JadoPado.com - A Really Well Kept Shopping Secret. Seriously.

Will try and hunt for the price you mentioned.....I'm in Pune, so if anyone can suggest a location, please do, thanks

 

[oli]

I've finally gone in for the sonodyne 2605 v3 + rear dipoles + sonodyne avant lcr250 + denon 2313 + sonodyne stereo amp sia 320 + BIC america 12" subwoofer ....all bought in good deals. I should get everything by the start of next week hopefully, already received the receiver from the UK yesterday.

Thanks all (esp shanmune, jagdish and elangoas) for the help with this.

 

[elangoas]

I've finally gone in for the sonodyne 2605 v3 + rear dipoles + sonodyne avant lcr250 + denon 2313 + sonodyne stereo amp sia 320 + BIC america 12" subwoofer ....all bought in good deals. I should get everything by the start of next week hopefully, already received the receiver from the UK yesterday.

Thanks all (esp shanmune, jagdish and elangoas) for the help with this.

Congrats buddy..... One of the well rounded setup for stereo & movies......

I think Denon 2313 should be able to drive Sonus 2605 comfortably even without a stereo power amplifier...

 

[elangoas]

NOTE: As far as I know, Denon 2313 retails around 50k in India.

Nope.. Denon 2113 retails for 50K here.. & 2313 retails for 80K...

 

[shanmune]

I've finally gone in for the sonodyne 2605 v3 + rear dipoles + sonodyne avant lcr250 + denon 2313 + sonodyne stereo amp sia 320 + BIC america 12" subwoofer ....all bought in good deals. I should get everything by the start of next week hopefully, already received the receiver from the UK yesterday.

Thanks all (esp shanmune, jagdish and elangoas) for the help with this.

Congrats !!! Please keep posting your reviews as well.

 

[shanmune]

Nope.. Denon 2113 retails for 50K here.. & 2313 retails for 80K...

Thanks for correcting me. I was just confused with the prices of Marantz. Similar power rated Marantz receivers seem to be costing less compared to Denon.

 

[vjc]

I've finally gone in for the sonodyne 2605 v3 + rear dipoles + sonodyne avant lcr250 + denon 2313 + sonodyne stereo amp sia 320 + BIC america 12" subwoofer ....all bought in good deals. I should get everything by the start of next week hopefully, already received the receiver from the UK yesterday.

Thanks all (esp shanmune, jagdish and elangoas) for the help with this.

Congratulations.

I also think that the sound played from Denon 2313 in the stereo mode, would be comparable, if not better, to the audio from sonodyne stereo.
In my expereince, the stereo out from my Denon 1911 is more musical to my ears than when I play the same music from my TEAC amp.I think 2313 would be one notch above 1911.

You may listen and put in your comments.

Enjoy your music.

VJC

 

[elangoas]

Thanks for correcting me. I was just confused with the prices of Marantz. Similar power rated Marantz receivers seem to be costing less compared to Denon.

Not a problem buddy... May be Marantz just concentrates more on the performance than the bells & whistles that other manufactures do for similar models...

 

[aakashr]

I've finally gone in for the sonodyne 2605 v3 + rear dipoles + sonodyne avant lcr250 + denon 2313 + sonodyne stereo amp sia 320 + BIC america 12" subwoofer ....all bought in good deals. I should get everything by the start of next week hopefully, already received the receiver from the UK yesterday.

Thanks all (esp shanmune, jagdish and elangoas) for the help with this.

Congrats.............would be interesting to know how you have finally connected the system. I am also in Pune, would be great to drop by and have a look at it, if possible.

 

[Naren]

Hi,

Same dilemma I had for past 3 years and decided to buy systems which will one day be integrated to get best of Movies and Music (SACD). My connections:

Movies:Oppo BDP 95>HDMI> Denon 4311(5.1 Pre out with Audysee EQ)>Outlaw ICBM>Behringer FD(filter pass through to 2 Wharfedale SW150)>Emotiva XPA 5.

Music:Oppo BDP 95 (5.1 analog out with dedicated L & R as FL & FR)>Musical Fidelity x-10V3(L & R alone)>Denon 4311 (External IN and out through Pre-Out)>Outlaw ICBM>Behringer FD(filtering room mode and to 2xSW150)>Emotiva XPA 5.

I did this extensively only to have the following flexibility:
1. Utilize Audysee XT 32 for HT.
2. Using BFD for filtering Room Modes only in Music listening.
3. Denon as Pre- amp and internal amp switched off.
4. Having generated Stereo Bass channel in Music mode.
5. Use BS for all 5 channels without losing bass in either Movie or Music.
6. Enjoying SACD/CD bass without AVR's DSP in Pure Direct mode.
7. Using 5 Channels power amp for extra Dynamics.

Downside in attempting above setup: Became bald thinking and planning about it.

 

[Brajendu]

Yea, it would be great to have an audition , I m also from Pune. How about having a rainy evening with coffee!! while enjoying your Stereo+AVR setup :yahoo:

Congrats.............would be interesting to know how you have finally connected the system. I am also in Pune, would be great to drop by and have a look at it, if possible.

 

[KONKRILLA]

hi oli

can you please advise how you have connected the denon avr to the sia 320
i mean from the avr pre out to which input of the Sia 320
as i also plan to do the same