Connecting graphic equiliser to marantz amplifier

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I have a query. How should I connect my marantz pm 15s2 reference amplifier to a graphic amplifier. I 'm yet to buy an equiliser as I first want to check if it can be connected to my amplifier. The rear panel of my amplifier is shown in the below provided link for reference .

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i require an equalizer to enhance the sound output. I feel I don't get the sound what is expected from such a high end system. My setup is
Marantz Reference series integrated amplifier
Jamo C 803 tower speakers
Blu ray player as a source ( used for audio CDs as well as mp3 CDs and pen drive)
 
Hi,
I suggest you to try re-positioning the speakers. Listening thru EQ can add to tonal distortion and can also cause sound fatigue.

But you can try connecting the EQ to Recorder 1 or 2. Ex. (Rec: 1 out <-> EQ in; EQ Out <-> Rec:1 In) and select input source to mode Rec1

I hope this helps.
 
i require an equalizer to enhance the sound output. I feel I don't get the sound what is expected from such a high end system. My setup is
Marantz Reference series integrated amplifier
Jamo C 803 tower speakers
Blu ray player as a source ( used for audio CDs as well as mp3 CDs and pen drive)

I feel your source is culprit. Also what type of music you listen? Which CD's? How much % of MP3??
 
Hi,

I just went through the owner's manual for your amplifier and regret to say the only way for you to connect an EQ is through the source. This means the analog RC cables from the Blu Ray player will go IN to the EQ and from the EQ the out cables will go to one of the Source / Inputs of the amplifier.

I went hunting for C 803s Jamo Towers on the net to understand what you have, could not find them except for Bookshelf speakers. Your amplifier is rated continuous power of 90w RMS per channel @ 8 ohms and 120w RMS @ 4 ohms. The question is does Jamo speakers which is typically 6 ohms really match and work well with such an amplifier? Perhaps you need to explore and change the speakers to get something which is either 4 or 8 ohms to give you the required performance.

Coming to Blu Ray, which brand or player are you using? Remember not all Blu Ray players have good video or audio cards in them and only a handful perform exceptionally. I use the Pioneer BDP LX 55 through HDMI and it rocks. The same performance also through analog cables and coaxle. The best blu ray is ofcourse the OPPO. Cambridge Audio also has some nice players. These are expensive for now and the LX 55 does the same job as OPPO.

MP3 are compressed audio files which can be anything from 64kbps (Cheap radio files) to 320kbps. My advice, ensure your MP3 song files are nothing less than atleast 160kbps. Higher the quality, better sound and yes it will utilise more space on pendrives / hard disks.

The most important aspect is the speaker wiring and gauge. You need to ensure Oxygen Free Cable (OFC) is used and for Towers depending on the distance, I feel AWG 18 or AWG 16 would suffice if speakers are placed within 2 odd meters of the amplifier. Further the distance thicker the wires. (18 is less thicker and 16 or 14 is more thicker)

In my school / college days I owned an Arphi amplifier, the best stereo at that point in time with equaliser. The company shut done and then later we saw DOME being sold. I traded up to a 6.1 Home Theatre Yamaha receiver RX V440 in early 2000s where we saw stereo amps practically dying away and AVRs coming in. I took a good 2 months to decide which AVR performed best for music and movies..purchased a Yamaha EQ 550 to enhance the sound and punch. I used P Audio cubes (HT 200...look almost like BOSE Jewel Cubes), a custom made passive subwoofer and Bose 201s III bookshelf speakers. The setup was crazy but having a flair for music and technicals, I did an impressive setup. Neighbour's envy owners pride.

With HDMI coming in I traded up for a Pioneer AVR in 2012 and JBL SCS 140 5.1 speakers. I sold the Yamaha EQ to my best friend who is using it with his Yamaha AX 592 through the pre coupler (Pre Out / Main In) connected to Bose 301s II and he is having a ball. The Yamaha AVR + P Audio + Passive sub is gifted to my Brother in law...somehow I still have a sentimental value to the system and hence still enjoy the music / movies whenever I visit my inlaws.

The Pioneer did perform well but lacked the overall depth and punch I have heard for years. There are no decent EQs available today. Second hand ones are models which are more than 15-20 years old. Finally Marantz NR1402 was the answer. A neat slim receiver with all the latest features one would want in any AVR. Although being 50w per channel, it outperforms its bulky competitors. Audyssey calibration for auto setup for speakers which measures room acoustics and speaker dynamics and makes the optimal settings. There is Bass + Treble control. The most important besides the various Listening Music + Movie + Game modes, it has 9 band adjustable graphic equaliser for each channel.

I got rid of the Pioneer AVR, got a Marantz NR 1601 7.1 connected to the JBL SCS 140 5.1 + assigned the surround rear channels as B speakers and connected the Bose 201s III. The combo is perfect. Marantz is known for making amplifiers / AVRs which cater to music first and it really brings out the warmth and depth in any kind of music you hear..ofcourse the CD / DVD / MP3 etc needs to be of proper quality and the cables matter.

I use Marantz NR 1402 with Boston Acoustics Soundware XS 5.1 speakers where I stay. With my experience, I adjusted the 9 Band Eq for each channel and achieved what I wanted. Today the NR 1402 is not available but NR 1504 with AirPlay is available. Same performance. You can easily connect Bookshelf or floor standers. I did a good 2/3 months review before putting my money down for this setup. There are a lot of videos on You Tube or read Cnet reviews. The Bostons are better than BOSE cubes and give you true value for money not forgetting the unmatched performance.

Finally I would advise you to perhaps check the cables, if connecting a EQ make sure that you have a good branded one...this needs to be adjusted carefully.you may want to perhaps connect a powered sub woofer using a Y RC cable from Pre Out. The best subwoofer is Velodyne..check Impact 12 or 10. B&W CM 5 series are the best speakers to match on a Marantz..this I will own soon...budgets an issue at this point.

You may want to check HiFi Mart for good deals or you may want to consider to change your setup. Hope this helps you in making the right choice.
 
i require an equalizer to enhance the sound output. I feel I don't get the sound what is expected from such a high end system. My setup is
Marantz Reference series integrated amplifier
Jamo C 803 tower speakers
Blu ray player as a source ( used for audio CDs as well as mp3 CDs and pen drive)

How is it not up to your expectations, in what way, be more specific ?

How have you set up your system (post a picture if possible) ?

Isn't Jamo C803 a bookshelf ?

What is your musical preference, i.e., jazz/rock/pop etc. ?
 
thanks a lot guys for your replies. Apologies from my side. The speakers are Jamo C 809. Check this link
Jamo : Floorstanding Speakers : C809

@Hemantwaghe my source is a Samsung 3D Blu ray player.It is a very basic player which I received free along with my TV. Most of the songs I listen are mp3. Should be 80% MP3 & 20% audio CDs not MP3 CDs. I also use my iPAD to stream music to the amplifier & also a USB drive ( having MP3 ) thru the blu ray.

@efernand1 Very well explained & useful info. Unfortunately I cannot change my speakers. I have already spent way too much on the setup. It is something beyond my capacity & am still in a dazed state. So I can't even dream of changing the speakers. So are 6 ohms speakers not compatible with a 4ohm or a 8 ohm amplifier ?? But like you I did atleast 5-6 months of survey, demo, reading before I went for this setup. I auditioned the amp with B&W also but felt the music was on a brighter side & Jamos were perfect for me during the auditions. It was at cinebels Mumbai. I auditioned the speakers with the same amplifier and it sounded as per my liking. The speakers have been wired using a normal wire which is available at Vijay Sales or Chroma. Do you think get a wire as per your specs will make a huge difference ? I do not want to spend too much on wires or cables until convinced that they would really help. Moreover would like to try out first before paying up. I don't know whom to approach. The MP3 music which I have is either 160kbps or 320kbps. There are a no of equalizers available on Global easy buy, the international version of ebay.in... Should I select one from the list available and buy ? pls suggest.

@ Cyber cat I mostly listen to hindi pop, sufi & movie songs. In english I like soft rock, pop, mostly 80s/early 90s.
 
You are not still telling what you are missing ?

Did you listen to the same songs that you listened at cinebels in your place ? What is the difference ?

Speakers do not sound the same in different rooms.

How will a graphic equalizer help you when you are listening to MP3s ?

While I would not suggest spending a fortune on cables, but decent brands are recomended.

You can ask some fellow member to drop by with a good CDP to test at your place ?

You do need to have good source for your components. Check out what you can either a DAC or a good CDP. The amp you mentioned definitely needs a good source.
 
Dear zoozoo,
Please get the misconception out from your mind that your speakers are not compatible with the amp.
The amp ratings are generally given for power into 8 ohm and 4 ohm. This just means that if you connect a 6 ohm load, the power output would be somewhere in between. e.g in your case it would be 100-105 watts into 6 ohms.
Since your amp has only analogue inputs, you can consider adding an external DAC. The optical out from the BDP will go to DAC in and analogue out from DAC to amp line in. This should result in considerable improvement in sound.
 
I have a query. How should I connect my marantz pm 15s2 reference amplifier to a graphic amplifier. I 'm yet to buy an equiliser as I first want to check if it can be connected to my amplifier. The rear panel of my amplifier is shown in the below provided link for reference .

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i have connected my eq between pre and power by that same way u can connect if u have separate power amp ... . or u can connect the eq between ur source and the amp ..... by that way u have to select ur source in the eq itself

If u like the system with eq . then u go by ur heart/ear.....

definitely i love my sys with eq on:)
 
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Hi ZooZoo,

The Speaker wires yes make a huge difference in sound. Any review on speaker cables suggest OFC. Big HiFi shops like Cinebels would sell the same OFC wires almost at twice the rate and if you are located in Mumbai, go to Lamington Road, visit Associated Cables and purchase the wire from there.

The speakers will ofcourse work on the amp. Any speaker will work on any amp. It would be advisable to match the impedance to avoid overheating or load on both amp or speaker. With experience 4 ohms load works good but a 8 ohms load works best and sounds better with punch. This I know for a fact as I was a DJ since school days and now have shifted my direction to the Corporate working class but still DJ for kicks now and then.

Remember a Home Threatre dealer will have a special sound proof demo room or specially created acoustic measured display area to provide demos to customers...end of the day it all depends on what appeals to you and your budget. Systems do sound excellent at the store...once bought home, it becomes almost a challenge for some to get it sounding the same or better.

Not all of us have the premium space to dedicate a room as the Home Theatre room so Room acoustics is important, you need to assess the placement of speakers, how many things are around which is blocking the sound or reflecting it off etc etc. The best sound check one can do is play 'Hotel California - Live version' This helps to understand the clarity and performance of speakers or amps.

Since you have already spent so much, regardless you need to change the speaker wires...my advice...get it done....visit Associated Cables at Lamington road and purchase how much you require. Caution there are other sellers in the market who claim they sell OFC wires...you need to be careful for duplicates.
 
Any particular brand of cables you suggest ? I will definitely go to lamington road and check. What specifications of the cable do I look for ? 12,14,16,18awg. Which one is the best? Any idea of the per metre cost.
 
Hi

Currently for my speakers at home I use 16AWG OFC Soundstream speaker cable. I paid around 5k for 100 meters reel last year.

The gauge needs to be thicker if the speakers are more than 3 meters away from the receiver. I used 16AWG. my fronts and centre speaker are hardly 2 meters away each from the receiver. The rear speakers are a good 5 meters away and hence to maintain consistency settled for AWG16 rather than AWG18.

Associated cables have good variety of OFC cables, you can google the address, it is closer to get down by train Grant Road East (Western Railway). You can see the cables and buy it. Tower speakers compulsory require atleast 16AWG due to the number of drivers in the enclosure and the continuous power juice they require to perform. 14 AWG is more thicker OFC wires.

Per meter cost will depend on the cable and brand you choose. It can range from anything between Rs 35 - Rs 100 per meter. Mine came to Rs 50 per meter. It is more cheaper if you buy a bundle.

Hope this helps. All the best
 
Try moving your speakers around in your room first. This is the least expensive thing you can do. Room acoustics are the most important factor that affect a good system.

If you do want to get an equalizer in the way, then opt for a parametric equalizer and tune your system using white/pink noise and a spectrum analyzer.
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However my suggestion is to improve your room acoustics using room treatment and find the best location for your speakers.
 
@ efernand1 you give everyone "consultancy by template" referring your own experience.
So if the system is great according to you Lousy source will do? Cables will automatically "enhance" mp3 to sound as good as "well recorded" cd?/ So Thicker OFC cable make MP3 better than better recorded orignal CD's played on real;ly good cd player right??
 
zoozoo, I too think the problem is likely to do with speaker positioning, or with the source, or with the source files itself. Or maybe you have a room that's not too friendly to sound (like a perfectly square room), which needs to compensated for with good speaker positioning.

I don't think spending money on an equalizer will really resolve the problem.

Also, do describe in detail what the problem is. What exactly seems wrong about the music when it is played on your setup? What is the basis/reference you are using to say it sounds bad? That is, it sounds bad as compared to what? This description will help us understand what the problem is, in a better way.

Do you feel there is a problem when you play Audio CDs?

In any case, if you would like to experience (somewhat) what you are likely to get with an equaliser, you can hook up a computer to the amp, and play one of your favourite MP3 files. I don't think the computer's built in sound card (the lowest common denominator) is likely to play the MP3s with much less fidelity than the BluRay player.

You can probably use Foobar 2000 to play the file in the computer and try using the equalizer in it to do what you were planning to do with the external equaliser.

If you post a picture of how your speakers have been setup in your room (even a sketch of the room with the speaker positions and the listening positions might do), we might be able to help somewhat as far as speaker placement is concerned.
 
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