Need help in setting up Philips f7213

[kartikail]

Hello Friends,

I do have a problem and I really need help from you guys.

My system consists of a NAD c356BEE DAC a NAD CD player and Totem Arro, and I was planning to get in Vinyl's and I picked up a Philips F7213 and I don't know how to set things up.

I.e. Do I need a Phonostage or I can do it with my current Amp, As in the DAC module it does show something as Phono, not sure of it.

Please help,
Kartik Ail.

 

[kuruvilajacob]

The Philips model if I remember right is a semi automatic model with mercury level Stylus force gauge . What cartridge does it have ?

 

[kartikail]

Hi Jacob,
Not sure if it is Semi Auto, it does say Direct Control and I don't know how to control it, however it does have the Numark Groove Tool Cartridge.

Regards,

 

[kuruvilajacob]

You can place a record on the platter and lift the arm lift to the 'lift' position and bring the arm toward the record. If the platter turns, your player is working. If not, there could be many reasons ,it is not working. Please let me know if the TT is working

 

[kartikail]

Yes Jacob, it is in working condition, and I guess the NAD C356Bee DAC doesn't have the Phono stage and I will have to pick up Phono Pre Amp to get things working, Jacob any suggestion on it ?

 

[reubensm]

Congrats on getting yourself a TT. Welcome to the world of vinyl.

Yes, you will require a phonostage. The 356BEE belongs to the newer generation of NAD amps and does not have an inbuilt phonostage (as part of the standard configuration, NAD did this to cut costs). You have 3 options namely:

1) you can get yourself the NAD PP-375 phonostage MDC module and set it up in your amp, here's the URL: PP 375 Phono Preamplifier MDC Module - NAD Electronics

2) you can get a NAD stand-alone phonostage like the PP-1 or PP-2 and use it with your 356BEE

3) you can get a phonostage of any brand/make and use it with your amp. If you are adventerous and know DIY, you can even make one for yourself.

Note: Please ascertain the type of cartridge that your TT has. If its magnetic, then the above 3 options apply. If its ceramic, then you'll have to get a ceramic phonostage which is very rare (the only possible option may be to build one yourself).

Hope this helps.

Hello Friends,

I do have a problem and I really need help from you guys.

My system consists of a NAD c356BEE DAC a NAD CD player and Totem Arro, and I was planning to get in Vinyl's and I picked up a Philips F7213 and I don't know how to set things up.

I.e. Do I need a Phonostage or I can do it with my current Amp, As in the DAC module it does show something as Phono, not sure of it.

Please help,
Kartik Ail.

 

[kartikail]

That was wonderful Reuben.

Thank you for the advice, and now the option I have is to pick up the PP1 or the PP2 phonostage or or I was thinking of going for an less expensive option the Norge phono amp and later on I can order the Lyrita as I read a lot of praises here for it.

Thanks a lot again. It was really helpful.

 

[reubensm]

That was wonderful Reuben.

Thank you for the advice, and now the option I have is to pick up the PP1 or the PP2 phonostage or or I was thinking of going for an less expensive option the Norge phono amp and later on I can order the Lyrita as I read a lot of praises here for it.

Thanks a lot again. It was really helpful.

If you are looking to start with something less expensive, you may have to compromise on quality. The NAD phonostages are pretty decent and work well with NAD amps. Personally I've always been a NAD guy hence, I always swear by them. IMO (other's may not agree) NAD is definitely more superior to Norge in all ways.

Don't just go by reviews on equipment. You must hear them for yourself. Going into tubes comes with a lot of dependencies. Quality and make of the tubes, age of the tubes (tubes wear out), operating circumstances, etc are some of them. Also if you like to listen to aggressive-sounding music, tubes may appear dull-sounding but again, these are all extremely personal statements. Its better to audition before indulging. And just in case you were wondering, anything to do with tubes, is comparatively, very expensive.

Decent phonostages are priced on the higher side. A few come up in the forum, once in a while, reasonably priced. A good way to start would be to post your requirement in the "Wanted" classified section of our forum. You may just about find what you are looking for.

 

[kartikail]

I would personally prefer the NAD, but spoke with our Lakozy people, they said the NAD Phonostage is two or three months away. And yes I will be there in the wanted section of the forum pretty soon.. Thanks again Reuben, just a little disappointed, not getting to play the TT now..

 

[reubensm]

If you go early on the Wanted section, I am sure you'll get a phonostage sooner than anticipated.

 

[kuruvilajacob]

You could even get a decent used Japanese vintage amplifier with phono input which could be another option to either a phono stage or Norge. You got to make sure the phono input in such amps work. Some of them have really very good phono stage. I am also a fan of Nad. I use Nad pp 1 and it is very warm sounding.

 

[kartikail]

Reuben and Jacob, Thank you so much for the support and help you have given me here and thanks to a wonderful FM, I got a chance to listen to Vinyls for the 1st time with my set up. I now have the CA Azur 651P.
I wanted to the PP1 or the PP2, but Lakozy guys do not have it in stock. I will purchase it later on as even the Azur 651P is really nice, but I have to watch out for the trebble.

Thanks again for making me feel safe with Vinyl's.

 

[reubensm]

Again, I may be biased but NAD is an expert at phonostages, especially the older NADs. Having said that, the CA 651P a sweet little phonostage. I would suggest not to impulsively change it for NAD, but try to listen to NAD in comparision with your 651P. For all you know, you may like the 651P too. NAD phonostages tend to sound quite smooth. I have experience with 3 NAD phonostages, the ones in my 106 preamp, the phonostage of the 3020 and of course, the phonostage of the 306. In my opinion, the 106's phonostage is without doubt, the best sounding to my ears. The 3020's phonostage was quite full and wholesome with stress on the mid ranges, while the 306's phonostage was quite neutral but very musical.

However I must say, don't give all this too much thought. Get to a stage wherein you have a setup that sounds nice to your ears, then forget the rig, and start enjoying the music. A vital aspect of being in the world of vinyl is to build your collection. If you don't concentrate in this area, you'll end up playing the same LPs over and over again

Going going! Enjoy the forum, enjoy the music and enjoy the experience!!

 

[hildebrand]

However I must say, don't give all this too much thought. Get to a stage wherein you have a setup that sounds nice to your ears, then forget the rig, and start enjoying the music. A vital aspect of being in the world of vinyl is to build your collection. If you don't concentrate in this area, you'll end up playing the same LPs over and over again

Well said!