Please explain about the compliance of the cantilever.

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Hi Friends, please explain about: What is called Dynamic Compliance & Static Compliance of the Cantilever of the Phono Cartridges? Which technical term represents for the stiffness of the cantilever? Thank you.

-Sunder.
 
Hi Friends, please explain about: What is called Dynamic Compliance & Static Compliance of the Cantilever of the Phono Cartridges? Which technical term represents for the stiffness of the cantilever? Thank you.

-Sunder.
Compliance specified at 0Hz typically by US manufacturers are called static compliance while the ones mentioned at 10Hz (EU) and 100Hhz(Japan) are dynamic compliance specified by cu/ dyne/ Hz. This is mainly used to calculate the RF (Resonant frequency)of arm, cartridge combo. Knowing the value of Compliance at 10 Hz is important which is used to calculate RF .
The springiness or the stiffness of the cantilever is mentioned as compliance and in other words, a stiff cantilever has lower compliance and vice versa. Usually a heavy arm is mated with lower compliance cartridge while a medium arm can be mated with higher compliance cartridge to control the RF of tonearm. Hope this helps.

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thomacho, thank you and you explained well in detail.. But , why the cartridge manufacturers specify both the compliance & that would confuse the buyers as which one to take into account ?. All the consumers are not techie. Thanks.
 
@sunder: most manufacturers give only the dynamic compliance. Very few include the static compliance. To confuse matters further, most European and American cartridge manufacturers specify the dynamic compliance at 10 Hz (as that's the desirable resonance frequency for tonearm + cartridge "subsystem") whereas most Japanese manufacturers specify resonance at 100 Hz. If using a calculator to estimate the resonance frequency, it is essential to convert the compliance value from 100 Hz to the equivalent at 10 Hz since most calculators assume compliance at 10 Hz.

Another thing to consider is the use two units of measurement for compliance namely micrometer/per milliNewton or centimeter/dyne. IIRC, these are interchangeable units.
 
Thank you jls001, convincingly you explained. No more confusion, non techy people like me, can follow the 'Dynamic Compliance' . Oh my God, how many ways to measure in Physics! Thanks again.
-Sunder.
 
Compliance would also indicate what kind of tracking force the cartridge requires. Low compliance requiring more tracking force and vice versa.
However more important is the system resonance of arm and cartridge combination . This has to be kept low , typically around 10 Hz because it effects several things.
It must also be well damped. Without that the cartridge will generate high levels of sub sonic signals which could be a problem for some preamps and especially generate enough LF to cause the woofers to flap about and limit how loud you can play the system.Non musical LF signals will sap power from the power amp.

Does it matter much , yes. Try out a system with visible LF flap on the woofers . Then introduce a subsonic filter and see how much the sound changes ! Using subsonic filters is a highly debated subject. Some feel it audibly degrades bass performance while others accept it. It also depends on the type of music you play and how bad your woofer 'flap' is.

But a well damped and controlled LF resonance will give you deep tight bass without the need of any filters. It's the ideal way to go ! Could involve a lot of testing and possibly introducing a fluid damping system near the base of the arm. Can be messy ! But great for a DIY'er ! To do it properly , you need a good test signal disc ( and test/measurement instruments also ! ). A few are still available. However the good news for the non techie user is that you can get a decent compromise by trying out a few combinations and watching the decrease in cone flap you get ! Single one shot solution is adding a subsonic filter without doing any mechanical fiddling. Saves a lot of time too !

In the 80's the Japs used to publish lots of information regarding this subject. Unfortunately it's hard to find those on the Net. I tried. But old Wireless World mags also had articles which I "used to have" . Maybe those might be available still.
 
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How is SQ affected by compliance of the cantilever. Curious to know.
Thanks,

Good question!

Honestly I don't know the answer.

Some parameters that affect how a cartridge sounds:

1/ moving mass (stylus + cantilever), typically the best cartridges have about 0.5 mg or less. One great technique employed by cartridge makers is to use the most lightweight yet most rigid material as cantilever material. Boron and beryllium come to mind (like the Audio Technica AT ML170 which had boron cantilever). But both metals were toxic for workers so they're no longer used. Diamond is the most rigid but since it's very dense there is weight penalty, hence they were usually very short (like Dynavector 13D or 17D). Sapphire and ruby cantilevers are popular too even today but they're way less rigid than diamond while still having weight penalty of a semi precious stone. Aluminium isn't the best but it's sufficiently rigid, lightweight and cheapest. There were titanium and carbon fiber cantilevers too. A great trick used by cartridge makers to reduce weight further was to taper the cantilever. Check out pictures of Astatic MF100 or Empire 4000D/III. They're both beauties.

2/ the geometry of the stylus: the cheapest cartridges typically have conical stylus. The chain goes up with elliptical diamonds. Beyond that are the various specialty shapes that usually have trademarked names like Shibata, Microline, octahedral, hyper elliptical, Gyger, Line Contact, Vital, etc. These specialty styli are more demanding of correct setup compared to conical or regular elliptical but by virtue of their shapes they also bring out more details from the groove. One of the reasons why such special shapes had to be developed was the introduction of CD4 standard which allowed quadrophonic channel playback. The stylus must be capable of reproducing at least till 30000 Hz because the rear channels were carried on carriers above audio band. IIRC, it was JVC and others who developed the stylus.

3/ cartridge resonance: most MM cartridges have a self resonance within the audio band. Some as low as 8-10 kHz, but more commonly >12-14 kHz. This messes the frequency response at least one octave above and below the resonance frequency. This is the reason why we use a capacitor load at the input of the phono preamp to try and shift the resonance frequency to a desirable frequency. The resistor in parallel fine tunes the amplitude of the resonance. Besides, the resonance also results in phase shift. So often MM cartridges have a rising response which peaks near 20 kHz. One way of pushing this frequency above 20 kHz is to have the lowest possible cartridge coil inductance because the resonance frequency is a direct function of the inductance value. The con of this is that the lesser number of coil windings results in lower output voltage. Most MCs have extremely low inductance compared to MMs so their resonance frequency is typically well beyond 20 kHz (and hence do not need the aid of a capacitor loading like MMs do). A good in-between implementation is moving flux cartridges as they have much lower inductance compared to typical MMs.

There are other lesser determinants too, like strength of the magnet used, quality of winding (like the use of PCOCC copper windings), how damped is the cartridge body (plastic versus cast metal body), etc.

Higher compliance cartridges will trace better than lower ones. Better tracing of the groove results in a more planted reproduction. Most cartridges fail woefully to trace 'trick' records like the cannon shots on Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture but such records are more the exception than the norm. I think if a cartridge can trace 80 micron grooves it will trace most music. 90 microns would be outstanding.

IMHO, of course.
 
jls001, really fantastic. you gave all the technical information which induce me to acquire more knowledge regarding the character of the coils and the magnets of the phono cartridges. How sensitive the phono signal ! How important each configuration ! Amazing! and you convincingly explained. Thank you.
 
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