Sony's X reality vs Bravia 3

[Rupam]

Whats the difference between Bravia 3 engine and X reality Engine which is introduced by Sony in 2011. Can anybody confirm about the real life difference in picture quality (if there is any) in these new models.Or is it a marketing gimmicks to sell OLD wine in NEW bottle?

BTW here is the link for Sony Bravia Sales Guide for 2011. Interested guys can take a look... FY11_Bravia sales guide.pdf

 

[frnd08]

Whats the difference between Bravia 3 engine and X reality Engine which is introduced by Sony in 2011. Can anybody confirm about the real life difference in picture quality (if there is any) in these new models.Or is it a marketing gimmicks to sell OLD wine in NEW bottle?

BTW here is the link for Sony Bravia Sales Guide for 2011. Interested guys can take a look... FY11_Bravia sales guide.pdf

well the extreme hi end sony teles have the x reality pro which is dual core processor. x reality pro is advantageous while watching web videos which are usually of low resolution. it will adjust the brightness, colour and contrast to give you the best possible clarity. also, all x reality pro sets have 3D.

x reality is a single core processor so it should be somewhat stripped down, but to what extent is difficult to say. also, most x reality television sets dont have 3D.

is it a marketing gimmick? could very well be. sony is having a troublesome time with loads of PS3 cases filed and slimming sales compared to samsung.
also with the disaster in japan, expect panels to be made in china rather than japan or south korea.

bottomline, if youre on the lookout for a new hi end sony, it will obviously make sense to go for these newer processors. if however youre already a bravia owner, i dont think you should feel too jealous about newer users. specs doesnt necessarily tell you the full story.

 

[adder]

Well from what i saw there is a difference in PQ but not to the same degree as going from BE/BE2 to BE3.

But the X reality pro version as per press release during CES is more advanced.
"The X-Reality PRO Engine is a two-chip digital video processor that optimizes high definition content, compressed HD signals, standard definition, and other sources including low resolution Internet content. Utilizing a vast database of 'ideal' signal patterns developed by analyzing and indexing and enormous library of film and video, the X-Reality PRO Engine compares incoming signals pixel-by-pixel with ideal scenes to display vivid and detailed images. Additionally, the engine's multi-frame analysis helps create missing resolution and Sony's Super Bit Mapping technology incorporates 14 bit up-scaling, processing and pixel mapping to smooth gradation and improve the quality of low-tone pictures"

 

[frnd08]

Well from what i saw there is a difference in PQ but not to the same degree as going from BE/BE2 to BE3.

just a query, how much is the difference between be2 and be 3?

 

[adder]

just a query, how much is the difference between be2 and be 3?

The upscaling was better and it had a better de-interlacer.

 

[frnd08]

The upscaling was better and it had a better de-interlacer.

okey dokey. but any noticeable difference? or was it more of a theoretical one?

 

[adder]

okey dokey. but any noticeable difference? or was it more of a theoretical one?

If you do a side by side comparison,then it is noticeable.

 

[prankey]

Can anyone do a side by side comparison with similarly spec'd BE3 and x reality TVs?

 

[Rupam]

Yes, Its seems that there are two reasons for this new chip to launch:
1. New Models require "new" picture rendering engines and a new chip name too...
2. The main advantage of the new processor lies in X-reality pro engine which has two cores compared to ordinary X-reality engine which will improve the picture quality over bravia.

 

[prankey]

Yes, Its seems that there are two reasons for this new chip to launch:
1. New Models require "new" picture rendering engines and a new chip name too...
2. The main advantage of the new processor lies in X-reality pro engine which has two cores compared to ordinary X-reality engine which will improve the picture quality over bravia.

Yes I understand that, however how about regular X-reality? Is it better than BE3?

 

[sindabad.sailor]

I am following this particular Sony model in UAE, KDL 42CX520 priced at close to 1180 USD. It has loads of features for internet content viewing.
If we leave these features out, will this TV be better than KLV42BX400 for SD / HD telecast and DVD watching. This BX model retails around 700 USD here.

Reason to include this uerry in here is because this TV boasts the X-reality feature.

Mods if my querry is in inappropriate thread pls move it to approproate one.

Rgds.0

 

[BLASTO]

My Observation..

BE -> BE2 - noticible changes
BE2 -> BE3 - Minimal Changes. (Not always good but mostly good, took the edge from sansung)
BE3 -> X-reality - Gimmick (For < Rs. 1L TVs)

Also, Higher end BE3s are anyday better than lower end X-reality (same holds good for others in stack too)

 

[adder]

The X-reality is not a marketing gimmick it indeed a new chip.

The main processor in the older BE3 all had heat sinks,the newer X-Reality doesn't have any passive cooling.
The main board also appears to have more memory chips compared to last year BE3 main board.
The main board of last years BE3 models from the EX series right upto the LX and HX series appears to visually identical.
The new 2011 main board is again visually different from the main board of last years tv.

Below the inside components of the EX720
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[Rupam]

I went to sony showroom yesterday. they were playing hd content on both BE3 and X reality model. I can confirm that Regular X reality chip has no visual difference/improvement in HD video over older BE3 engine. Unfortunately they were unable to give a SD video preview.

 

[BLASTO]

The X-reality is not a marketing gimmick it indeed a new chip.

The main processor in the older BE3 all had heat sinks,the newer X-Reality doesn't have any passive cooling.
The main board also appears to have more memory chips compared to last year BE3 main board.
The main board of last years BE3 models from the EX series right upto the LX and HX series appears to visually identical.
The new 2011 main board is again visually different from the main board of last years tv.

Below the inside components of the EX720
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When I call it Gimmick, I was sying from the viewpoint of PQ.
I dont think, a new chip or missing heat sink will interest anyone out to buy a TV.. Maybe powerful chip can come in handy in most demanding of HD videos, but that is all..

Not that BE3 needed any improvements IMO, but still X-reality PQ has no visible difference from the BE3. SD and HD.

 

[adder]

When I call it Gimmick, I was sying from the viewpoint of PQ.
I dont think, a new chip or missing heat sink will interest anyone out to buy a TV.. Maybe powerful chip can come in handy in most demanding of HD videos, but that is all..

Not that BE3 needed any improvements IMO, but still X-reality PQ has no visible difference from the BE3. SD and HD.

Well it was not a reply to your but the OP,first post.
Has said earlier from what i saw there is a difference in PQ but not as significant as going from BE/BE2 to BE3.
So if the image processing is already that good,any improvements will be that harder to see.But improvements are always welcome.

 

[prankey]

How about the additional judders caused on 100/200Hz TVs of last year (especially Samsung)? Are they there in X-Reality chipsets?

Also, could be off topic - can Sony pass DTS/DD Audio from HDMI to its optical output?

 

[adder]

How about the additional judders caused on 100/200Hz TVs of last year (especially Samsung)? Are they there in X-Reality chipsets?

Also, could be off topic - can Sony pass DTS/DD Audio from HDMI to its optical output?

What do you mean additional judder,did you meant the "Soap opera effect".

All lcds with frame interpolation do show this effect to some degree.
Sony motionflow system is generally said in various reviews that it has the least amount of soap opera effect compared to most other brands.

For 2011 the motionflow system like in the EX720 series combines the earlier motionflow with 120hz panel.Sony calls this motionflow XR200 .Not to be confused with motionflow 200 found in models like HX800.

But we have to see how are tvs marketed with 800hz perform.WHich in my view combines a 200hz panel,with 200hz frame interpolation and backlight scanning.

BTW below is the first review that talks about the X-reality,so far they have praised it in all parameters from scaling to deinterlacing to artifacts and motionflow.
ReviewGoogle Translate

Features http://translate.google.co.in/trans.../search?q=fullhd.gr/&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=ivns

 

[prankey]

NO, I meant Judder caused by motion interpolation itself! This happens when there are multiple motion sequence in a scene and the TV chooses to compensate one and drop pixels on subsequent frames on another motion (probably due to processing power limitation or the interpolation algorithm which only compensate on one or two motion sequence).

You could clearly see this effect on a news channel running tickers. When there are static images on screen - like someone speaking, the tickers run reasonably smooth. However when there is some motion sequence on screen, the tickers start to stutter or judder dropping info from intermediate frames. If you disable motion interpolation, this does not happen.

 

[Rupam]

What is soap opera effect in LED TVs?