Yelamanchili manohar
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The author is too late to the party. We are in the era of tidal vs qobuz wars. Lossless vs MP3 were the battles long done and dusted, why pick the skeletons now
Lossless Audio Does Not Sound Better Than MP3?
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I thought so too.The author is too late to the party. We are in the era of tidal vs qobuz wars. Lossless vs MP3 were the battles long done and dusted, why pick the skeletons now
But the question hangs in the air and going by the various responses above it still requires some ventilation….
I realised I never AB tested the same tracks on Qobuz and Spotify in order to discover the differences myself before. I just took the word of experts for granted.
Removing bias by blind testing requires a friend with patience and time too.
Yes, measurements, data on compression, dynamic range etc are all possible, but the human ears and the brain are the gatekeepers to our impressions, opinions and emotions when it comes to music. Sometimes we seem to have a mind of our own!
Questions like these still perplex:
- Can I hear more dynamic range sometimes but like it less? Why?
- Why does pumped up (louder) compressed music sometimes sound better than a quieter HiRes version or the same song?
- How system/set up dependent is this?
- Does it vary with the type;genre of music?
- How much does the quality of the original recording influence these impressions?
- Why did Philips and Sony decide 24/48 (CD quality) as more than adequate given the limits of human hearing range?
What better place to explore such important and life altering questions than a forum like this full of experienced audio enthusiasts, experts ?
The plot thickens, The skeletons are moving and throwing up some dust. Blind faith? Never!
Passive_audio_enthusiast
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“there are lot of things that you cannot measure”
not sure why @keith_correa finds it so funny. is it because you agree or disagree?
Did Lord Kelvin say "If you can not measure it, you can not improve it"?
AZquotes claims that Lord Kelvin (or William Thomson) said this: If you can not measure it, you can not improve it. But there is no such a quote in his Wikiquote page. So did he actually say this?
... but then, have we improved the measurements beyond all doubts? apparently not
btw, DAC guy's word is not the final one. gn everyone
My guess is that the mystery behind why we can't measure is more baffling than quantum physics, theory of relativity and life and the cosmos ing general. Science has advanced so much but it still cannot measure things in the audio world.not sure why @keith_correa finds it so funny. is it because you agree or disagree?
probably it is not so baffling if we acknowlegde that there are so many things we don't know about. we dont have to get into quantum physics. why people perceive things as they do. after all, ears are sensors and they have their own dynamic range and limitations. so are the auditory systems in our brains. after all they interpret how we perceive a sound wave as neutral/good/bad/etc.
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Passive_audio_enthusiast
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unfortunately there is no way yet to measure illusions, hallucinations and placebo. It’s not limited to audio world.
chillumphile
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Apple Lossless >>> Spotify HQ
aah once we do that we could also measure objectively as to which RasMalai is tastier and which mango is better !!When there is a good way to measure musicality and joy I will start listening to measurements
( of course its the Mallika !
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keith_correa
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reignofchaos
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If you want to go there, QM has no theory to explain the mass of the neutrino. QM has no way to reconcile with GR. So is QM bogus or GR?
IndianEars
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My take:
When you convert the "Lossless" file to CDDA Format (ie the format on an actual CD... Very similar to but not exactly the same as .wav)
...and the Converted data on in the CDDA format exactly tallys with the CD bits.
When you convert the "Lossless" file to CDDA Format (ie the format on an actual CD... Very similar to but not exactly the same as .wav)
...and the Converted data on in the CDDA format exactly tallys with the CD bits.
How long have you been listening at this loudness level?
If this figure is measured using a decibel meter, then you may be knowing the warning about losing ear sensitivity. In which case it become all the more surprising that you can hear all the "difference in details" between lossless and mp3
Several concerned FM have warned @Decadent_Spectre of the dangers of such loud listening levels.
He can still read well
Decadent_Spectre
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About 10-15 years. It is. I do. Surprising, perhaps, yet true.
Several concerned FM have warned @Decadent_Spectre of the dangers of such loud listening levels.
He can still read well
I don't think it was warned or concerned as much as it was disbelief, for whatever reasons, if memory serves, it's been a while.
Anyways, do take care
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