Here we are trying to enjoy our brand new HDTV with HD blue ray player and now we are faced with the realization that even though we thought life with black bars was over, it isn't. I notice most of the cinemascope movies in true 1080p HD 16:9 aspect ratio shows black bar. Does it means 2.35x1 aspect [cinemascope] movies embedded with black bar in 16:9 aspect blue ray.
why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect BR?
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saj2001ind
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
do you mean black border on top and bottom of the screen ?
do you mean black border on top and bottom of the screen ?
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
Yes those annoying black border
saj2001ind
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
that got nothing to wht ur equipment, its the bluray or dvd movies, some of them wont have it while others will, no one can do anything about them
that got nothing to wht ur equipment, its the bluray or dvd movies, some of them wont have it while others will, no one can do anything about them
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
Its because of the aspect ratio difference. 16:9 is not cinemascope. 16:9 screen comes to 1.78 aspect ratio. Because it has width lower than cinemascope, you will see black bars on top and bottom.
If you want to eliminate those, then you need to either zoom the picture and lose resolution and some of the picture on left and right. Or get a cinemascope tv. I believe Phillips and Vizio has 21:9 (2.35) aspect ratio tvs at a premium.
Its because of the aspect ratio difference. 16:9 is not cinemascope. 16:9 screen comes to 1.78 aspect ratio. Because it has width lower than cinemascope, you will see black bars on top and bottom.
If you want to eliminate those, then you need to either zoom the picture and lose resolution and some of the picture on left and right. Or get a cinemascope tv. I believe Phillips and Vizio has 21:9 (2.35) aspect ratio tvs at a premium.
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
Filmmakers have the option of choosing from a variety of aspect ratios. They are not bound by a single aspect ratio. For HDTVs, anytime the aspect ratio is less than 1.78 (old DVDs), you'll see black borders on the sides (with anamorphic exceptions). Anytime it's more than 1.78, you'll see borders on top and bottom.
That being said; the 1.78 thing is NOT a strict rule when it comes to fullscreen HD/BluRay. A bluray transfer may very well be full screen if the aspect ratio ranges between 1.66 and 1.85. Which is actually the case with many films even today. Heck, Avatar was shot in exactly 1.78. Dark Knight is a peculiar example with a few sequences in 1.78 (IMAX cameras).
In a nutshell, it's perfectly okay to see those black bars now and then, and you shouldn't be annoyed by it.
Filmmakers have the option of choosing from a variety of aspect ratios. They are not bound by a single aspect ratio. For HDTVs, anytime the aspect ratio is less than 1.78 (old DVDs), you'll see black borders on the sides (with anamorphic exceptions). Anytime it's more than 1.78, you'll see borders on top and bottom.
That being said; the 1.78 thing is NOT a strict rule when it comes to fullscreen HD/BluRay. A bluray transfer may very well be full screen if the aspect ratio ranges between 1.66 and 1.85. Which is actually the case with many films even today. Heck, Avatar was shot in exactly 1.78. Dark Knight is a peculiar example with a few sequences in 1.78 (IMAX cameras).
In a nutshell, it's perfectly okay to see those black bars now and then, and you shouldn't be annoyed by it.
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
No one today actually shoots in CinemaScope because that film required a "Fox Hole" to fit the 2:25 aspect ratio picture on the film. The Fox Hole is smaller than a normal 35mm perforation. The original anamorphic lenses were not so wonderful compared to today's lot. These days directors love to shoot 2:35 because they prefer it composition wise. More and more they are shooting 16:9 (1.78) because electronic capture is usually native at the ratio. The 1.78 fits better in digital cinemas, and does not need cropping for Blu-Ray release.
Ignore the black bars on your TV. To have the picture fill the screen horizontally you will see bars top and bottom. If you pull the image height up to the top and bottom of the display, you cuttoff the portion of the picture wider than the 1.78 ratio of the display.
Avatar was shot in 3D (two cameras) using 1.78. The theatrical release was done 2:35 in film theaters, simply by cropping the top and bottom. Some theaters got 1.78 prints because their masking was suitable for the increased height if the image.
No one today actually shoots in CinemaScope because that film required a "Fox Hole" to fit the 2:25 aspect ratio picture on the film. The Fox Hole is smaller than a normal 35mm perforation. The original anamorphic lenses were not so wonderful compared to today's lot. These days directors love to shoot 2:35 because they prefer it composition wise. More and more they are shooting 16:9 (1.78) because electronic capture is usually native at the ratio. The 1.78 fits better in digital cinemas, and does not need cropping for Blu-Ray release.
Ignore the black bars on your TV. To have the picture fill the screen horizontally you will see bars top and bottom. If you pull the image height up to the top and bottom of the display, you cuttoff the portion of the picture wider than the 1.78 ratio of the display.
Avatar was shot in 3D (two cameras) using 1.78. The theatrical release was done 2:35 in film theaters, simply by cropping the top and bottom. Some theaters got 1.78 prints because their masking was suitable for the increased height if the image.
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
I wonder what will happen to 16:9 movies on a 21:9 tv? will the image be skewed or there will be black bar?
I wonder what will happen to 16:9 movies on a 21:9 tv? will the image be skewed or there will be black bar?
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
For movies, there are two aspect ratios - Flat (1.85) and Scope (2.39). Movies are shot in either of those. 16:9 is the HDTV format and is little smaller than 1.85.
The confusing part is how it gets shown in the theaters. The DCI spec for projectors is 2k (2048x1080) and 4K (4096x2160). Both are aspect ratio 1.89. Now, some of the movie digital cameras shoot at 1.78 while there are some cameras that are 1.85. Although none of those are shown at exact 2k resolutions and theaters have to use masking to fit the picture.
There is no avoiding bars at home because there isn't a standard single aspect ratio.
Unless, one invests in projectors and masking mechanism.
For movies, there are two aspect ratios - Flat (1.85) and Scope (2.39). Movies are shot in either of those. 16:9 is the HDTV format and is little smaller than 1.85.
The confusing part is how it gets shown in the theaters. The DCI spec for projectors is 2k (2048x1080) and 4K (4096x2160). Both are aspect ratio 1.89. Now, some of the movie digital cameras shoot at 1.78 while there are some cameras that are 1.85. Although none of those are shown at exact 2k resolutions and theaters have to use masking to fit the picture.
There is no avoiding bars at home because there isn't a standard single aspect ratio.
Unless, one invests in projectors and masking mechanism.
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
Why worry about it when one has dark circles around his eyes or black bars above the eyes (eyebrows)?
Get used to it ...
hyeah:
--G0bble
Why worry about it when one has dark circles around his eyes or black bars above the eyes (eyebrows)?
Get used to it ...
hyeah:--G0bble
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
we Indians want full "paisa vasool"..why waste even an inch of real (or is it unreal) estate of the screen which we bought with our "khoon paseenay ki kamaee..!" :yahoo:
we Indians want full "paisa vasool"..why waste even an inch of real (or is it unreal) estate of the screen which we bought with our "khoon paseenay ki kamaee..!" :yahoo:
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
Just set so that it is stretched to full screen. The loss of resolution is negligible for high bit-rate sources such as Blurays
Just set so that it is stretched to full screen. The loss of resolution is negligible for high bit-rate sources such as Blurays
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
I notice that you have 2.37 aspect ratio screen in your theater. I think you get vertical bar while watching 16:9 aspect movie.For movies, there are two aspect ratios - Flat (1.85) and Scope (2.39). Movies are shot in either of those. 16:9 is the HDTV format and is little smaller than 1.85.
The confusing part is how it gets shown in the theaters. The DCI spec for projectors is 2k (2048x1080) and 4K (4096x2160). Both are aspect ratio 1.89. Now, some of the movie digital cameras shoot at 1.78 while there are some cameras that are 1.85. Although none of those are shown at exact 2k resolutions and theaters have to use masking to fit the picture.
There is no avoiding bars at home because there isn't a standard single aspect ratio.
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
Yes, I do get vertical bars for 16:9 and 4:3. I planned to do horizontal masking to make the screen smaller for 16:9 and 4:3 but never got it done.
I am thinking of going back to 16:9 again. But this time, it will be approx 11ft wide 16:9, so I get tall 16:9 and don't lose out much on the 2.35 size as well. When that happens, I will try to do vertical masks so I cannot see those black bars for 2.35. Still thinking though. ;-)
Yes, I do get vertical bars for 16:9 and 4:3. I planned to do horizontal masking to make the screen smaller for 16:9 and 4:3 but never got it done.
I am thinking of going back to 16:9 again. But this time, it will be approx 11ft wide 16:9, so I get tall 16:9 and don't lose out much on the 2.35 size as well. When that happens, I will try to do vertical masks so I cannot see those black bars for 2.35. Still thinking though. ;-)
Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
The 2.35:1 ratio will give full frame for the movies that is shot in that ratio. It gives truly dramatic effect. The downside is, the 16:9 and 4:3 formats will have vertical bars. Almost all of the HT projectors have 16:9 or 4:3 aspect ratio. You can use an anamorphic lens to convert that to 2.35:1. But, you need to remove the lens for 16:9 formats.
Watch Dark Knight movie again..you can notice that camera used in some scenes are 16:9 and some 2.35:1
. You can try zoom and vertical shift to get the full frame on 2:35:1 content if your projector supports it.
The 2.35:1 ratio will give full frame for the movies that is shot in that ratio. It gives truly dramatic effect. The downside is, the 16:9 and 4:3 formats will have vertical bars. Almost all of the HT projectors have 16:9 or 4:3 aspect ratio. You can use an anamorphic lens to convert that to 2.35:1. But, you need to remove the lens for 16:9 formats.
Watch Dark Knight movie again..you can notice that camera used in some scenes are 16:9 and some 2.35:1
. You can try zoom and vertical shift to get the full frame on 2:35:1 content if your projector supports it.
cmsajith
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Re: why most cinemascope movie shows black bars even though they are HD 16:9 aspect B
For 16:9 screens, try the letterbox option (poor man's method for anamorphic stretch)
For 16:9 screens, try the letterbox option (poor man's method for anamorphic stretch)
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