Want to buy 51E8000 , but

[neubee]

guys i went to buy 51E8000 but was not available for demo but 64 incher was , so had to decide based on that . after demo didnt know what to do due to following observation .
salesman played full hd videos on 64E8000 and another led tv together .


very dim picture

as expected it was dim , but that was even after the cell light was full ( 20 ) and contrast and brightness too were higher .
there was normal lights in showroom , not very bight and no sun light .

blurry images

it was a shock to see image blur on this set , because apart from being a plasma , its their flagship tv . the salesman was playing fulll hd video simultaniously on this set and the other led model and led was bright crisp with no motion blur .

black levels

the blacks were not black at all , they were greyish , and the blacks were really black on the led .


so was that just a faulty set for demo ?
or am i missing something here ?

why i am seeing this motion blur and grey blacks , that too on a plasma
is it because of faulty settings , faulty hdmi cable or because of 2 displays from 1 source ?
i am biased towards plasma because of good opinions of forum members and lower prices and specially towards 51E8000 after the tab offer but i now im confused .

i hope some inputs from members can help me decide as its only 1 day left to buy this set with tab offer .

 

[madhavk8]

Probably something wrong with that set or they were feeding some wrong kind of signal or calibration was completely screwed and mostly it will be running in store mode!!!

E8000 is one of the best tv's in the world available right now !! Don't bother about one demo you had !!!

 

[Dirac]

guys i went to buy 51E8000 but was not available for demo but 64 incher was , so had to decide based on that . after demo didnt know what to do due to following observation .
salesman played full hd videos on 64E8000 and another led tv together .


very dim picture

as expected it was dim , but that was even after the cell light was full ( 20 ) and contrast and brightness too were higher .
there was normal lights in showroom , not very bight and no sun light .

blurry images

it was a shock to see image blur on this set , because apart from being a plasma , its their flagship tv . the salesman was playing fulll hd video simultaniously on this set and the other led model and led was bright crisp with no motion blur .

black levels

the blacks were not black at all , they were greyish , and the blacks were really black on the led .


so was that just a faulty set for demo ?
or am i missing something here ?

why i am seeing this motion blur and grey blacks , that too on a plasma
is it because of faulty settings , faulty hdmi cable or because of 2 displays from 1 source ?
i am biased towards plasma because of good opinions of forum members and lower prices and specially towards 51E8000 after the tab offer but i now im confused .

i hope some inputs from members can help me decide as its only 1 day left to buy this set with tab offer .

motion blur is inherent to some bluray transfers of some movies.Long gone are the days when motion was only smooth on plasma.New generation led tvs employ excellant motion processing to mitigate the blur by adding more frames/repeating frames during motion sequences.
Since you were doing a demo of 64 inch, the effects could have got magnified.Try to demo the actual model.
BTW I have seen the NOV issue of whathifi giving a 4 star to 51E8000.Check if blur is one of the reason for that.

 

[neubee]

Probably something wrong with that set or they were feeding some wrong kind of signal or calibration was completely screwed and mostly it will be running in store mode!!!

E8000 is one of the best tv's in the world available right now !! Don't bother about one demo you had !!!

could it be because of the cell light ? it was full ( reading 20 )
i dont think it was a wrong signal because the led set was flawless playing the same video simutaniously .

 

[neubee]

motion blur is inherent to some bluray transfers of some movies.Long gone are the days when motion was only smooth on plasma.New generation led tvs employ excellant motion processing to mitigate the blur by adding more frames/repeating frames during motion sequences.
Since you were doing a demo of 64 inch, the effects could have got magnified.Try to demo the actual model.
BTW I have seen the NOV issue of whathifi giving a 4 star to 51E8000.Check if blur is one of the reason for that.

i read whathifi review , it says
" Theres a reduction in the screens ability to deal confidently with motion, but the compromise isnt huge "

yes it was huge , but maybe its because it was a 64 incher . lets hope its not there in 51 when i demo .

 

[thegr8anand]

I had the same impression when I saw the demo piece and decided to get led instead(hx850). Realised it was a faulty set and very happy with the one i bought with no problems you mentioned.

 

[prosenjit]

dont rely on review..if you find led better go for that....
by the way plasma picture is dim than leds...plasma lovers will die to get the dim and smooth pictures....plasma is such either you will love it....or hate it.
are you viewing plasma for first time or demoed/used previosly...
if has seen it earlier...then its a real strange issue that you find this demo dissatisfying....

motion artifacts are sometime the fault of blu ray/dvd recordings...no fault of tv.
but if you find leds handling them better....its good

anyway dont hurry,demo more with different plasma and leds....and then decide on your eye basis.not on any suggestion or review basis...if you find led is better for enjoying..you must go for leds...
by the way if zero on leds.....go for sony models like 750....or higher

 

[Dirac]

Well, in my view, reviews should be relied on if they pertain to an issue, if the issue is very important to you.example is motion blur.
If the reviewer has downgraded a set based on an unwanted feature to you, say,smart features, you need not heed to it.
Once the reviewer says there is an issue, still we need to check if that really exists and even if it exists, whether it is below your acceptable level.

Carry your own blurays/dvds and preferably your own player to derive more concrete/useful demos. This is the major confusion point because every store guy plays a diifferent content with his own player.

 

[avmaxfan]

I doubt the TV was defective. More to do with the fact that under bright lighting Plasmas cannot retain their excellent black levels. Opposite of mid range LEDs where they show good black level under bright lighting and greyish black in complete darkness.

Plasma will show excellent blacks in low/dark lighting and greyish blacks under sunlight/bright lighting.

As for the poor motion, I have no clue really as plasmas don't need additional motion interpolation etc or settings to be activated to deliver smooth motion.

Just curious, what model was the LED tv you were comparing it to ?

 

[ritzman]

E8000 comes with an additional filter to reduce reflection. That could be one of the reason?

 

[Dirac]

E8000 comes with an additional filter to reduce reflection. That could be one of the reason?

I think reflection is related to the objects outside the image/tv.In dark scenes we would be watching our living room in a refelctive screen.This could be very annoying.
This has nothing to do with motion blur in the image.

Only CRTs can produce 100% blur free images. Frame based digital movies can induce motion blur even for plasmas.

 

[Josh!]

Hi, The brightness we do req. in the home is not that high in normal case.
Yes the E8000 has different glass to reduce the reflections.

Nubee : you can see the following post for the brighness comparison. Kindly check the link for high resolution pictures.

http://www.hifivision.com/television/30412-owner-expert-view-samy-51e8000-11.html#post432209

 

[prosenjit]

I doubt the TV was defective. More to do with the fact that under bright lighting Plasmas cannot retain their excellent black levels. Opposite of mid range LEDs where they show good black level under bright lighting and greyish black in complete darkness.

Plasma will show excellent blacks in low/dark lighting and greyish blacks under sunlight/bright lighting.As for the poor motion, I have no clue really as plasmas don't need additional motion interpolation etc or settings to be activated to deliver smooth motion.

Just curious, what model was the LED tv you were comparing it to ?

very true exactly just imagine the theatres.......

 

[neubee]

dont rely on review..if you find led better go for that....
by the way plasma picture is dim than leds...plasma lovers will die to get the dim and smooth pictures....plasma is such either you will love it....or hate it.
are you viewing plasma for first time or demoed/used previosly...
if has seen it earlier...then its a real strange issue that you find this demo dissatisfying....

motion artifacts are sometime the fault of blu ray/dvd recordings...no fault of tv.
but if you find leds handling them better....its good

anyway dont hurry,demo more with different plasma and leds....and then decide on your eye basis.not on any suggestion or review basis...if you find led is better for enjoying..you must go for leds...
by the way if zero on leds.....go for sony models like 750....or higher

yes i have not seen many plasmas before , but i dont mind the dim picture . its the motion blur and black levels that were really bad , worse than the led set sitting beside .

i want to demo but this 51e8000 is not available easily , and i have to hurry if want to get the tab

the samsung site says the offer is only valid till 18th november .

 

[neubee]

I doubt the TV was defective. More to do with the fact that under bright lighting Plasmas cannot retain their excellent black levels. Opposite of mid range LEDs where they show good black level under bright lighting and greyish black in complete darkness.

Plasma will show excellent blacks in low/dark lighting and greyish blacks under sunlight/bright lighting.

As for the poor motion, I have no clue really as plasmas don't need additional motion interpolation etc or settings to be activated to deliver smooth motion.

Just curious, what model was the LED tv you were comparing it to ?

the cell light was full ( 20 ) so does the other settings ,,, i thought that resulted in poor blacks , but i am sure after calibration it can become better .

what confused me was motion blur ,,, it was so bad like online video streaming on slow internet . not smooth at all .

the led set was their flagship led ( i think ) ... perfect inky blacks and flawless motion .

but price was more than double

 

[prosenjit]

even i am clueless....i have not seen that sammy model..rather seen much lower ones 400,490 etc...they are giving super blacks...not getting any clue friend..
oh today last......for free tab......difficult situaltion for you friend...
can you go to the shop and check with lights off...even normal lighting in showrooms are much much brighter than our roooms....so it will wash out plasma image...
just check it..what can i say in this situation...cant suggest invest that much amount in a hurry....
u dont have any hd files??...so that you can play them in sammy and then in that led....and compare
did you checked start movies hd/movies niow hd??

 

[avmaxfan]

@neubee

You mean Samsung ES8000 LED ?

I think the best thing will be to go and demo the 51E8000 in some other showroom and under controlled lighting at that. But still, I don't thin there is anything to worry. When you get it home I really doubt you will even be slightly disappointed with the PQ of E8000.

Still, you should demo it and see if you like it. Ultimately its down to whether or not YOU like the plasma picture.

 

[neubee]

Hi, The brightness we do req. in the home is not that high in normal case.
Yes the E8000 has different glass to reduce the reflections.

Nubee : you can see the following post for the brighness comparison. Kindly check the link for high resolution pictures.

http://www.hifivision.com/television/30412-owner-expert-view-samy-51e8000-11.html#post432209

thanks
i have read all your posts earlier and only after good feedback from members decided to buy this , if i had not seen that 64 incher , i could have booked it without demo , but now i have to demo a 51 incher first .

 

[neubee]

@neubee

You mean Samsung ES8000 LED ?

I think the best thing will be to go and demo the 51E8000 in some other showroom and under controlled lighting at that. But still, I don't thin there is anything to worry. When you get it home I really doubt you will even be slightly disappointed with the PQ of E8000.

Still, you should demo it and see if you like it. Ultimately its down to whether or not YOU like the plasma picture.

yes it was a higher led model , 7 or mostly 8 .
i wont call it perfect since i havnt seen hx850 alongside , but it was so good .

i was tempted to just book 51E8000 and take a risk , but then thought its better to loose a tab than loosing peace of mind later on

i too feel it was a faulty set , or poorly caliberated at least . this further confirms that maybe dealers are careless about plasma tvs .

 

[avmaxfan]

^

So are you going to demo the 51E8000 today ?

And yes you are right, peace of mind is much more important than a tab