Apple music to launch lossless streaming

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However, the Apple music app seems to be streaming only AAC , via Airplay, even when a song is available as lossless
At what resolution you mean? Can you also please share how you measured it?

P.S.: I read the link you posted and realised it’s not your statement, but you quoted from the discussion in the link. Now, I’d think if one made that claim, one needs to substantiate with supporting data. Simply saying ‘It has been confirmed from various sources. Don't ask me why’ isn’t helpful.

I am not so good at understanding the technicalities involved, but my takeaway from the links given in the above posts is that while AirPlaying, any content upto 44.1 kHz which is he standard CD quality - and accounts for over 90% of music a lot of us fans of Indian and old western music (myself for sure) listen to, is played lossless. It’s only the content that’s in higher resolution than that which is converted into lossy format to be able to transmit through AirPlay. I can easily live with listening to a very small portion of my listening today to be lossy (I always have the option to connect my laptop via USB if I needed, but not worth going through the effort). I imagine Apple must already be working on AirPlay 3 with capability upto 192 kHz now that they’ve gone lossless and hi-Res. That, and/or native streaming at hi-Res like Qobuz.
 
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So , as of now , the only option to listen to 24/192 from Apple Music is via good old wired headphones from iphone\ iPad ?
 
I am able get Hi Res music from Apple Music on my LG v40 phone using its internal HiFi Dac. But unable to connect with AQ Dragonfly Red and Tempotech Sonata HD pro usb dac amps through Usb audio pro app. How to connect external dac to android phone for Apple Music?
 
Updated the iPhone and now lossless is enabled. Sounds a bit fuller and fleshed out. For my usage of mostly listening while out walking it’s perfect. Love it!
 
Cant see any change on my android apple music app. It doesnt even display the information of the song playing though I received an email from apple.

How to enable it on android and how to check the quality/specs of the song playing?
 
So , as of now , the only option to listen to 24/192 from Apple Music is via good old wired headphones from iphone\ iPad ?
Looks to me like the only way to get hi res from a non apple phone to the music system is to physically connect a usb dac to the phone using a connector. I connected my Zen DAC to my samsung s10+ and it shows lossless,hi res and atmos. When connected to the AV Receiver it does not tell me the resolution of the file. Chromecast when connected does not show lossless or hi res or atmos in the app so I don't think that works.
 
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Cant see any change on my android apple music app. It doesnt even display the information of the song playing though I received an email from apple.

How to enable it on android and how to check the quality/specs of the song playing?
Did you try uninstalling and reinstalling the app ? Am using a beta version.

Edit: I tried uninstall and re-install. It's not yet available in the official app. Only available in beta.
 
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For hi-res, could anyone anyone tell how to connect the iPhone to Cambridge Audio CXN V2? It probably isn’t as simple as it looks. Thanks.
@SachinChavan, any idea? Thanks.
You need Lightning to USB Camera Adapter and then connect USB cable to your DAC.

 
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This article was really interesting.

It indicates that if you set the system wide output to Airplay (instead of selecting Airplay from within the Music app) , then we get bit perfect lossless transmission.

Thats easy to do. And we can ignore all the cables and DACs.
 
i tried playing a hi-Res lossless track in the following four ways. Note that CXN was used as a pure streamer and the DAC was Schiit Bifrost in all cases to maintain uniformity:

A. From iPad via AirPlay2 to CXN
B. From MacBook via AirPlay2 from Music app to CXN
C. From MacBook via AirPlay2 system-wide (from menubar on top of screen) to CXN
D. From MacBook via USB directly to Schiit DAC.

The hi-Res (24-bit/48kHz ALAC) track I played:

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Here are the findings:

A. From iPad via AirPlay2 to CXN; as well as
B. From MacBook via AirPlay2 from Music app to CXN


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Now this is the confusing one because it says 44.1kHz/16 bit as well as AAC. Some of us think that AAC is necessarily lossy. But is it? Let’s look at that later. But the SQ (as well as the display on CXN) in these two cases was identical.

C. From MacBook via AirPlay2 system-wide (from menubar on top of screen) to CXN

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As you can see, it says ALAC now. So clearly the AAC is enforced by the Apple Music app and not a limitation of AirPlay2. AirPlay2 is quite capable of transferring Lossless. That gives us the confidence that Apple only needs to make some software changes to its Apple Music app and/or iOS to be able to get ALAC transfers from iOS devices to our streamers and AVRs. Hopefully that’d happen soon.

But how was the SQ in this case? Perceivably better than in cases A and B (though I won’t say a day-night difference). So clearly it’s preferable. If you are on MacBook, there’s no reason to go with B and not C. Remember that even in C, AirPlay2 caps the transmission to 44.1kHz/16bit (hopefully that’d change with AirPlay3). But it should still be able to do full justice to CD quality lossless albums on Apple Music (which is what all Indian and most older international content is anyway in).

D. From MacBook via USB directly to Schiit DAC.

Now, my Schiit DAC doesn’t display the resolution so I can only guess. (Also no pic for the same reason). But given that it has the capability, there’s no reason to not believe that it was playing the hi-Res file as it is - that is, in its 24bit/48kHz glory. And the ears could easily tell that. The bump in SQ was quite obvious. After hearing it, it’s difficult NOT to play hi-Res via USB and go with AirPlay instead. I couldn’t locate a hi-Res file with further higher resolution than this one, but I imagine the improvement would only be more accentuated in that case.

Now, let’s get back to the confusion mentioned earlier. Does AAC necessarily mean lossy? I don’t know. But if you look at Wikipedia’s table comparing different codecs below, it shows that AAC can use MPEG-4 SLS lossless audio compression (something that mp3 doesn’t).


Now what is this MPEG-4 SLS? Probably more technically equipped members can read the following and explain it well, but SLS stands for ‘scalable to lossless’


As the article mentions, it’s an extension that allows having both a lossy layer and lossless correction layer. It can also work without a lossy layer. I quote - “On top of the core AAC codec, a scalable extension layer increases the signal-to-noise ratio, reaching lossless quality at data rates comparable to those of pure lossless audio codecs, that is at average compression ratios of about 58%”.

Now, I cannot be sure, but probably this means that even AAC could potentially SQ approaching pure lossless. Definitely better than 320 kbps mp3. Question is, whether the AAC transferred by AirPlay uses both the lossy and lossless layer? If it does, probably CXN (and other receivers) take the lossless layer?

PS. I realised I could connect the MacBook directly to the CXN as well with USB. So i did that too as case E. it’s essentially a small variation of case D, just adding the CXN unnecessarily into the chain while the DAC in use still remained Schitt. This is what the display showed. I am assuming it was playing hi-Res version and the SQ was close to that of case D (with whatever deterioration due to the elongated path by addition of CXN streamer).

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All I can think of is AirPlay but it's restricted to CD quality.
Yes. AirPlay unfortunately does does not support hi-res, and Apple explicitly states hi-res playback needs a wired connection.
In the screenshot, Apple documentation does not say how on how to wire the iPhone to an external DaC.
 

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