AVR denon 4800 Discussion

[Saiganesh]

Hi all,
My recent purchase of AVR denon 4800 have been a very bitter experience. Was mostly beacause of expectations and understanding the denon settings eco system.
So the usual question and vexation and discussion on all forums went on.

Though I did not face such a threat till recently here, dont know why members (may be a brand associate) take it up and put up the marketing spec sheet out to confront!

Yes this is about me saying that the denon 4800 did not produce enough low frequency punch from my towers. In many forums i have seen people getting offended and getting into confrontation instead of finding a solution.

I as a genuine member (not being associated to any brand) could only think of finding the source of problem and give a solution.

But when someone replies to a problem showing what the data sheet 'says' as a reply to my problem???
What is this person trying to imply??
Like the data sheet says you are hearing the 'bass'
But here again I am saying 'I am not hearing the bass for what I paid for'. I cannot hear the bass in 2 channel mode also! The built in amp is denying the bass!! (Seriously doubt the capability of the amp and the spec sheet)

Its like a super dealer who has stocked up a lot of these is worried about clearing it and reads these forums and replies with a spec sheet!

I believe forums where I learn a lot, blabber a lot, apologise a lot, Thank a lot!!

But this spec sheeet reply aint helping forum democracy or freedom of speech!!!

 

[reignofchaos]

Do not expect sound quality out of an AVR - told it to you in your thread as well. If you want sound quality and the ability to drive difficult loads, you need a dedicated power amp.

As for defamation - just laugh at anyone trying that - honest feedback about something you purchased with your own money is not defamation.

 

[sidvee]

We have very touchy dealers and distributors (and their proxies), unfortunately, who cannot take any criticism of their products, as if they are selling the best products in the world. Hence forums such as these exist. Any genuine feedback of the products , your subjective opinion of them, should be welcome imo. Anyone can check spec sheet online, however getting subjective feedback good or bad is highly welcome. I think you should ignore any such threats and if so threatened you need to report it to the forum moderators - whichever forum that is, else quit that forum as it is probably just an advertising site.
Cheers,
Sid

 

[alpha1]

Yes this is about me saying that the denon 4800 did not produce enough low frequency punch from my towers.

But when someone replies to a problem showing what the data sheet 'says' as a reply to my problem???
What is this person trying to imply??
Like the data sheet says you are hearing the 'bass'
But here again I am saying 'I am not hearing the bass for what I paid for'. I cannot hear the bass in 2 channel mode also! The built in amp is denying the bass!! (Seriously doubt the capability of the amp and the spec sheet)

The website (https://www.denon.com/en-us/product/av-receivers/avr-x4800h/300608-new.html) says

• 125 watts per channel

It doesn't specify what happens when all the channels are loaded simultaneously.
Neither does it specify the speaker load being driven.

Additionally, you have not specified whether you have switched off all effects and used it in pure stereo amp mode to ascertain that there are no DSP or effects that may be causing phase issues in the lower frequencies.

 

[Yelamanchili manohar]

Hi all,
My recent purchase of AVR denon 4800 have been a very bitter experience. Was mostly beacause of expectations and understanding the denon settings eco system.
So the usual question and vexation and discussion on all forums went on.

Though I did not face such a threat till recently here, dont know why members (may be a brand associate) take it up and put up the marketing spec sheet out to confront!

Yes this is about me saying that the denon 4800 did not produce enough low frequency punch from my towers. In many forums i have seen people getting offended and getting into confrontation instead of finding a solution.

I as a genuine member (not being associated to any brand) could only think of finding the source of problem and give a solution.

But when someone replies to a problem showing what the data sheet 'says' as a reply to my problem???
What is this person trying to imply??
Like the data sheet says you are hearing the 'bass'
But here again I am saying 'I am not hearing the bass for what I paid for'. I cannot hear the bass in 2 channel mode also! The built in amp is denying the bass!! (Seriously doubt the capability of the amp and the spec sheet)

Its like a super dealer who has stocked up a lot of these is worried about clearing it and reads these forums and replies with a spec sheet!

I believe forums where I learn a lot, blabber a lot, apologise a lot, Thank a lot!!

But this spec sheeet reply aint helping forum democracy or freedom of speech!!!

That exactly is the problem...free speech. And it goes both ways. So just ignore and move on

And i would'nt worry about any threats, unless the poster lived down stairs and is three times my size

 

[Nitin K]

The website (https://www.denon.com/en-us/product/av-receivers/avr-x4800h/300608-new.html) says

• 125 watts per channel

It doesn't specify what happens when all the channels are loaded simultaneously.
Neither does it specify the speaker load being driven.

Additionally, you have not specified whether you have switched off all effects and used it in pure stereo amp mode to ascertain that there are no DSP or effects that may be causing phase issues in the lower frequencies.

In all probability, the 125 watts will be at 2 channels continuously driven at 8 ohms.That too not sure if the 125w is also overstated at even 2 channels.
Among the main stream avr's, Nad seems to be one of the very few honest one's to report continuous output at all channels driven in the specs sheet which in all probability could be understated.

 

[mbhangui]

But here again I am saying 'I am not hearing the bass for what I paid for'. I cannot hear the bass in 2 channel mode also! The built in amp is denying the bass!! (Seriously doubt the capability of the amp and the spec sheet)

2 channel means 2 channel and not 2.1 channel. I have a Yamaha AVR and the manual clearly mentions to select 7.1 or 5.1 mode to get output on the LFE RCA out. Apart from the 2 channel selection, there is also a pure direct mode where all digital processing is turned off. Turning of digital processing turns off the hdmi board, DSP processing (and hence no output on the LFE out).

I think if you want 2 channel mode and bass too you make make the speakers to 'none' in your speaker selection menu.4

If you want bass from a 2 channel analog source there are many ways to do it

1. Connect the analog output to analog input of the AVR and select 7.1, 9.1 in the AVR
2. Use an electronic crossover or DSP (I use raspberry PI to do the DSP)
3. If your subwoofer has speaker inputs or analog input, make a parallel connection from your speaker for speaker level input or parallel connection from your analog out to the subwoofer RCA input
4. Get an amp that gives you sub out.

 

[ssf]

For two channel music, I don't like the curve set by Audyssey (Marantz SR 7010). It's a bit too treble heavy for me. So my setup for two channel pure direct mode with subwoofer is as under.

Apple music on Macbook -> Zen Dac -> analog in to Marantz. Marantz in pure direct mode with speakers set to either large or small depending on what sounds better and LFE set to LFE+Main. If LFE is not set to LFE+ main, Marantz will not output frequencies below the crossover to the sub in pure direct mode.

 

[Nikhil]

Hi all,
My recent purchase of AVR denon 4800 have been a very bitter experience. Was mostly beacause of expectations and understanding the denon settings eco system.
So the usual question and vexation and discussion on all forums went on.

Though I did not face such a threat till recently here, dont know why members (may be a brand associate) take it up and put up the marketing spec sheet out to confront!

If any of this happened on this forum, please report the matter and we will take action.
The Forum Rules do not allow for this kind of behavior.


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[sandeepmohan]

If a dealer cannot help you, well, you are dealing with the wrong person.
Many a time, we focus on that absolute bang for the buck. We care less about after sales. We never think about it. Saving money is the only purpose. It goes to the extent where we forget about the quality and capability of the product itself!

9.9 out of 10 Dealers operating out there exist to make money. That is their sole purpose. Few will listen to you carefully and even less will accept they made a mistake. In the end, your money is down the toilet.

I also want to add that when you first posted your query, you left me largely confused. It felt as though you had not done your due diligence as far as the set up goes. The product was pretty much rated as trash, compared to the one you used before. It felt as though you spent two seconds with the product and decided almost immediately it was not working out. Some course correction is needed here. Ideally, you want to post here until you've exhausted all options.

 

[Hari Iyer]

Past one+ year i am using my 20+ years Denon AVR-1604 as a subwoofer amplifier to power both my H-frame OB subwoofer. TBH, this Denon amplifier is more powerful and punchy than my previous dedicated subwoofer plate amplifier. I am not sure what's going on at your end. Would need some scrutiny.

 

[Lizard King]

This looks like a rather bombastic thread title for a non issue.

 

[Passive_audio_enthusiast]

I am once again suspecting another bass null at listening spot problem. @Saiganesh does your drivers move well with the bass? If yes and yet if you cannot hear it, it’s more to do with room adjustment than the amp itself. If not and if you didn’t accidentally set the crossover point to have bass not to be sent to speakers, then you actually have a problem. I have listened to the 3700 and 4500 and they have lot of power. Denon had not changed a lot with their amp section with these avrs.

If you really want to hear see how arrogant people can get, all you need is to post something slightly negative about Denon, kef etc on audiosciencereview!

 

[cinemaengineering]

The lack of bass issue is may be due to a null in your MLP or your not using a proper house curve or may be due to incorrect crossovers or any other settings issue. almost all high-end AVR can produce decent bass with tower speakers.

 

[arj]

MOD Note: Modified the title since its not representative of the thread discussion which is on this model.

 

[arj]

The lack of bass issue is may be due to a null in your MLP or your not using a proper house curve or may be due to incorrect crossovers or any other settings issue. almost all high-end AVR can produce decent bass with tower speakers.

I agree. there are so many factors here.
Any AVR will have bass but the best bass will be from the LFE out. you cannot expect more from 130W over 9 channels unless speakers are very sensitive and placed well.