Benefit of plasma?

[Kannan]

@adder
As far as PQ is concerned Plasma (purely because of the way it reproduces color) beats both LCD and LCD-LED's.
It is basic that when watching TV, be it CRT/Plasma/LCD or even your mobile allowing light to fall on the screen dulls the images owing to reflection. So it is always imperative to have light sources behind the display for a better viewing experience.
Why LCD's outsell Plasma is very simple.
In all the stores that I visited (sadly including Pana brand shops), there is always excess ambient light than there would ever be in ones home.
LCD's obviously outshine Plasma's in such a setting which is purely artificial. Not that LCD's look good, they look less worse than the plasma's in such settings.
Also with the leaders like Sony, LG, Samsung gunning for LCD technology (as that allows them to cover a wider range from as low as 15" to 55" and above) the push is obviously towards LCD driven market for better profitability.

No wonder they have umpteen models in LCD (including monitors) than in Plasmas.

Regarding viewing angles, they do make a huge difference unless you are looking at a higher end LCD model which then cannot compete with Plasma in pricing.

Not to forget the much higher refresher rate which is inherent to Plasma TVs.

I do however agree with you that every user has his own viewing tastes, however technical facts are facts.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-LwOgZ6ACaRq/learn/learningcenter/home/tv_flatpanel.html

 

[omishra]

Well you are comparing a brighter 46" lcd power consumption to a 42" plasma which is going to dim with higher APL .
Brightness is part of PQ .If its not you can also go get yourself a RPTV.

True color,tint whats that ?

The real world contrast with ambient light hitting the screen from front or the sides, the lcd will have the edge.
Even in dark its only some plasma like mainly panasonic FHD plasma that have the edge in dark in terms of black level.
samsung plasma while better then all IPS based lcd its still neck and neck with VA based lcd in black level(without local dimming).

About viewing angle ,how many are actually going to watch a tv at those extreme angles,unless they are unfortunate.

If those issue you talk was there ,lcd should be dead,the fact is they are more expensive itself should itself make people go buy plasma.Yet they outsell plasma buy a big big margin even in large screen sizes of 46" and above segment.
So all the people must find something good in the lcd,for people who pay such a huge premium for those lcd or LED ,power consumption won't be a big deal,so its not the power consumption that was deciding factor to buy a lcd.

LCD is not dead because these companies to reap result of their investment and not due to LCD is good TV technology. Otherwise we could have seen good TVs quickly in market like SED (which is dead), LPD, AM-OLED to name few. In fact these new technologies are better and cheaper, but still will be at mercy of manufacturers.

Plasma is not economical to manufacturer while LCD gets good profits for everybody in the sell chain. So people spread scary news of Plasma and rosy picture of LCD panels.

I am not telling everybody is correct or wrong. But how many people buy with brain? Majority goes to buying spree like sheep and purchase what neighbor or relative purchased. That's why these are surviving.

 

[notep]

LCD is not dead because these companies to reap result of their investment and not due to LCD is good TV technology. Otherwise we could have seen good TVs quickly in market like SED (which is dead), LPD, AM-OLED to name few. In fact these new technologies are better and cheaper, but still will be at mercy of manufacturers.

Plasma is not economical to manufacturer while LCD gets good profits for everybody in sell the chain. So people spread scary news of Plasma and rosy picture of LCD panels.

I am not telling everybody is correct or wrong. But how many people buy with brain? Majority goes to buying spree like sheep and purchase what neighbor or relative purchased. That's why these are surviving.

Well said my friend. People are just led by what they see in the showroom. Common layman when he steps into a showroom to buy a HDTV he just gets mesmerized by the big screen and the next thing is brightness. Sales people who know nothing about motion lag or resolution or optimal viewing distance talk like they invented this technology. I still remember one sales person who told me when I was looking at Plasma is "Sir, look at LCD as Plasma are for shopping mall or office setup".

Obviously folks fall for it and sales people promote due to bigger margins. My personal experience all my friends who have LED/LCD were awestruck after looking at my plasma at my home where there are ambient day light that comes through.

 

[adder]

LCD is not dead because these companies to reap result of their investment and not due to LCD is good TV technology. Otherwise we could have seen good TVs quickly in market like SED (which is dead), LPD, AM-OLED to name few. In fact these new technologies are better and cheaper, but still will be at mercy of manufacturers.

Plasma is not economical to manufacturer while LCD gets good profits for everybody in sell the chain. So people spread scary news of Plasma and rosy picture of LCD panels.

I am not telling everybody is correct or wrong. But how many people buy with brain? Majority goes to buying spree like sheep and purchase what neighbor or relative purchased. That's why these are surviving.

Some companies like Sony has no significant investment in lcd,they did try to push or look into the alternative tech such as OLED and FED,well before competition.
They must have seen something or hit a dead block.FED was sold to AUO ,OLED still has life issues.

Sony also had the option to make a plasma tv,but it choose to go the lcd way,we don't know as to why,but it did.

Canon has nothing to do with lcd but it did look into SED and appears to have hit a dead block.

Panasonic primarily a plasma maker also started to make lcds and now also make 42" size panel.Its now going to buy panels from CMO for large size tvs.
So its investing in lcd tech.

Lastly if you look as display tech news ,many lcd manufactures are making very less profit or even heavy loss,due to heavy competition.

About OLED being cheaper tech to lcd ,then you are mistaken.Its still has life issues.A small screen in a phone or a camera is one thing and making a large tv size screen is a different ball game.

People will be pissed if there new very expensive OLED start to show flaws in very early years.

Lastly if you look at display tech news ,many lcd manufactures are making very less profit or even heavy loss,due to heavy competition.

With todays online world people are not dumb they do research or atleast buy magazines.

 

[Vishu_fbd]

Well said my friend. People are just led by what they see in the showroom. Common layman when he steps into a showroom to buy a HDTV he just gets mesmerized by the big screen and the next thing is brightness. Sales people who know nothing about motion lag or resolution or optimal viewing distance talk like they invented this technology. I still remember one sales person who told me when I was looking at Plasma is "Sir, look at LCD as Plasma are for shopping mall or office setup".

Obviously folks fall for it and sales people promote due to bigger margins. My personal experience all my friends who have LED/LCD were awestruck after looking at my plasma at my home where there are ambient day light that comes through.

I would disagree on some points, yes PQ is better in plasma however for me it is about the entire package. I can live with the bulk and the heat they produce but how smart and efficient the plasma is? Sony for example make such energy efficient TVs that even LG cant compete on that front leave aside the PQ comparison.

Then there are smart tv functions, things like presence, motion and light sensors, tv screen off with just sound on, internet connectivity which i dont think modern day plasma's offer all of them in one package atleast the ones which can be afforded by masses.

I am a fan of plasma but they need to get smart and efficient, till then its lcd/led's for me. And yes I am not pro Sony coz I havent bought PS3 yet coz it eats a lot of power for what it does!

 

[adder]

@adder
As far as PQ is concerned Plasma (purely because of the way it reproduces color) beats both LCD and LCD-LED's.
It is basic that when watching TV, be it CRT/Plasma/LCD or even your mobile allowing light to fall on the screen dulls the images owing to reflection. So it is always imperative to have light sources behind the display for a better viewing experience.
Why LCD's outsell Plasma is very simple.
In all the stores that I visited (sadly including Pana brand shops), there is always excess ambient light than there would ever be in ones home.
LCD's obviously outshine Plasma's in such a setting which is purely artificial. Not that LCD's look good, they look less worse than the plasma's in such settings.
Also with the leaders like Sony, LG, Samsung gunning for LCD technology (as that allows them to cover a wider range from as low as 15" to 55" and above) the push is obviously towards LCD driven market for better profitability.

No wonder they have umpteen models in LCD (including monitors) than in Plasmas.

Regarding viewing angles, they do make a huge difference unless you are looking at a higher end LCD model which then cannot compete with Plasma in pricing.

Not to forget the much higher refresher rate which is inherent to Plasma TVs.

I do however agree with you that every user has his own viewing tastes, however technical facts are facts.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-LwOgZ6ACaRq/learn/learningcenter/home/tv_flatpanel.html

Let me start with viewing angles,i have seen this debate for years now in avsforum/avforum and for some reason its only a plasma fan boy or a pro plasma person who finds it a significant issue or a deal breaker.

Why buy a lcd monitor too,one can go back to the crt right ,i mean they have better viewing angle,zero lag ,but suffer the same drawback as plasma ,washout of picture due to ambient light.
Even people who use pro level monitors now use lcd,so if color was not true or tint or whatever you say,then they should still be using CRT.

About light hiting the screen,yes every display out there reflects resulting in loss of contrast,but its much more so in a plasma then a lcd.

Sure you could have artificial or natural light from behind the tv,but in some instances even the light reflected from the walls cause contrast to take a hit and again not all want to have light behind the tvs,your iris in your eye will reduce the light entering your eye,then whats the point of those deep blacks when you can't notice them.

About the store lighting being the reason for low sales you have many stores which run under moderate light condition,panasonic brand shops have large glass,since they need to sell their fridges and other home appliances,so they need plent of light.
Comparing a lcd and plasma from panasonic brandshop is again isn't fair ,panasonic lcd suck at contrast with piss poor blacks.

Refresh rate,i could add the 900hz in lcd and what not just like 600hz in plasma camp and yet some people still see plasma flickering,

 

[adder]

I would disagree on some points, yes PQ is better in plasma however for me it is about the entire package. I can live with the bulk and the heat they produce but how smart and efficient the plasma is? Sony for example make such energy efficient TVs that even LG cant compete on that front leave aside the PQ comparison.

Then there are smart tv functions, things like presence, motion and light sensors, tv screen off with just sound on, internet connectivity which i dont think modern day plasma's offer all of them in one package atleast the ones which can be afforded by masses.

I am a fan of plasma but they need to get smart and efficient, till then its lcd/led's for me. And yes I am not pro Sony coz I havent bought PS3 yet coz it eats a lot of power for what it does!

Plasma tvs from samsung have all smart tv features as their lcd couterparts.

 

[abhinkoi]

Congrats Abhi. How much you paid and what freebies you got. Which place?

Cheers
Pankaj

Dear Manu,

I paid 33k for X30D and I got wall mount stand, table stand, free home delivery, installation & 3 years warranty....worth for the price I paid..:yahoo:

tc
abhi

 

[abhinkoi]

Thank you all for all the valuable inputs. I could not make up my mind that plasma is gonna be VFM with great pq. Now that i am locked towards plasma....any suggestion which one to go for.... I am not looking for a 3D option and looking for something of 40"-43". Please suggest the best option.....i dont want to compromise on cosmetics of it....something that should make great impression with looks as well as pq.

I will vote for Pana X30D...reasons are mentioned here -

http://www.hifivision.com/televisio...-th-p42x30d-settings-features-discussion.html

hope this helps..

tc
abhi

 

[abhinkoi]

So people spread scary news of Plasma and rosy picture of LCD panels.

I am not telling everybody is correct or wrong. But how many people buy with brain? Majority goes to buying spree like sheep and purchase what neighbor or relative purchased. That's why these are surviving.

Very well said omishra...I concur 100%....people who have excess money or doesnt have enuf time to research for VFM products, just go to showroom & ask the salesman = whats selling good? what is in mode demand? & the salesman shows them the rosy picture & sell LED(most of the times, but sometime LCD)....may be due to higher cost or better margins...of course some people really like bright screens of LED so they get bowled by that...

@Manish,

I myself have seen all of them but I fell in love with Plasma...of course by default it is vfm:clapping:

Here is my 2 cents on what Kannan already mentioned about the pros n cons of Plasma's -

Good's are good's so no explanation required.
Good: True colors, wider viewing angles, better refresher rate, cheaper than LED

Bad:
Heavier => doesnt matter much...either it will be hung or placed on the table...even in case of relocation this wud be done by packers n movers
thicker then LCD/LED => Doesnt matter much coz u need to watch it from the front where PQ matters most and not thickness..
poor looks => Depends on the taste person to person..for me its at least priority
needs proper room lighting => Yes I agree...thats one area where its behind from LCD/LED but for me it was not the decision maker point so i avoided
less energy efficient=> Doesnt matter much if u run it for 2-4 hours a day...Anyway my old 21" Sony M80 was with 240W and this one is 200W...so still saving some pennies hyeah:
available only in 42" and above => I only wanted 42" so it was a perfect match
screen burn-in issues => i think in G14 panel its not that much and with little precaution during initial days I can enjoy it for rest of the years...so doesnt matter much...

So eliminating less imp points helped me circled down to Pany X30D and I am happy on my decision...no regrets...

Take care
abhinav

 

[notep]

I would disagree on some points, yes PQ is better in plasma however for me it is about the entire package. I can live with the bulk and the heat they produce but how smart and efficient the plasma is? Sony for example make such energy efficient TVs that even LG cant compete on that front leave aside the PQ comparison.

Thats why I mentioned its personal choice. When you say bulk its not that its bulky like the old CRT's. Once you hang them you won't notice much. Yes they are heavy to carry but its not you are going to lift it every day. Heat well true but its not that baking hot that you can't sit in the room when the TV is on.

Well Plasma haven't gone for that model look ;-) say slimmer bezel but thats about looks which many are ready to sacrifice for the best PQ period. Again its not ugly to look at either. Plasma manufacturers have made huge progress on the energy efficiency but what baffles me is its not that they take 100 times or even 10 times the power.

Then there are smart tv functions, things like presence, motion and light sensors, tv screen off with just sound on, internet connectivity which i dont think modern day plasma's offer all of them in one package atleast the ones which can be afforded by masses.

I am a fan of plasma but they need to get smart and efficient, till then its lcd/led's for me. And yes I am not pro Sony coz I havent bought PS3 yet coz it eats a lot of power for what it does!

Well there are lot of Plasma that have Smart TV features like apps, internet connectivity and various stuffs. There is no single TV solution that fits all

I am not even touching the energy efficient comment so as to not start a debate unrelated on this forum.

Just asking, what TV do you own?

 

[Vishu_fbd]

Well there are lot of Plasma that have Smart TV features like apps, internet connectivity and various stuffs. There is no single TV solution that fits all

I am not even touching the energy efficient comment so as to not start a debate unrelated on this forum.

Just asking, what TV do you own?

I currently own couple of Sony one LCD and one LED, both 32 inches. I am on a look out for 46 to 50 inch TV but I am yet to zero on!

Its flicking between Panny 50ST30, Samsung 51D550 and Sony 46EX720