Center channel wharfedale 9.CC vs 10.cc vs 10.CS

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Hi all,

I am thinking of picking up a very good center speaker and build HT around it. My priority is excellent dialogue clarity. I see price varying a lot among the three speakers mentioned above (they cost 10k, 15k and 20k respectively). Can someone who has listened to these comment as to how much would be difference be in terms of quality (i.e. from user's point of view)?

Also, are there much better center speakers in the same budget? Which entry level AVRs can best drive them?
 
I think you had polk BS which i recollect from another thread... Try to match your center speaker with the brand of BS (or) from he same family (TSi, TSx)

Hi Elango,
You are very right about BS. But i was just enquiring about different 5.1 speakers. My main challenge is getting the demos as i live quite far away from main city.

I am thinking of buying an outstanding center and decent fronts (compatible with center of course), buy an AVR that can do just enough justice to these. I dont think i will have too many issues with subs as i will mainly be listening at low/moderate volumes only. I am assuming many subs can be easily matched to the above config. Please let me know if i am wrong.

After typing in the above text i happened to stumble upon this which talks about having a dedicated center for clarity to be a myth:
http://www.hifivision.com/home-theater/46258-yet-another-dedicated-home-theater-build-5.html

My earlier worry was that if i buy a 5.1 like Boston XS 5.1, i might soon become dissatisfied with center channel..(since it is very small and same in size as surrounds) but looks like it might not quite be the case..
 
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OK,I tried many setups with Yamaha AVR and now happy with Diamond 9cs center.I had Tannoy center which was small.It was dynamic,but did not sound natural with Yamaha.Also tried Dali,MS,Jamo,Polk,but the scale 9cs giving is the best to my ears.You find it warm,but for 3hr movies,it delivers clean,natural dialog.
So thats with Yamaha.Other AVR have Audyssey and can adjust frequency curve easily.So any good sounding center can sound better with other AVRs.

So I will suggest to Demo before you buy.
 
Hi Elango,
You are very right about BS. But i was just enquiring about different 5.1 speakers. My main challenge is getting the demos as i live quite far away from main city.

I am thinking of buying an outstanding center and decent fronts (compatible with center of course), buy an AVR that can do just enough justice to these. I dont think i will have too many issues with subs as i will mainly be listening at low/moderate volumes only. I am assuming many subs can be easily matched to the above config. Please let me know if i am wrong.

After typing in the above text i happened to stumble upon this which talks about having a dedicated center for clarity to be a myth:
http://www.hifivision.com/home-theater/46258-yet-another-dedicated-home-theater-build-5.html

My earlier worry was that if i buy a 5.1 like Boston XS 5.1, i might soon become dissatisfied with center channel..(since it is very small and same in size as surrounds) but looks like it might not quite be the case..

Hi Gman,

how far do you live from the city... I too live far from the city.. (45 Kms Away near tiruvallur)...

I have paired a different center speaker (Sonodyne Avant LCR 250) with my Sonus 2605 as fronts... The speaker simply surpassed the 2605... Only then, i understood how important it was to get the speaker from the same family...

For movies you def need a dedicated center channel... In the thread you are referring to, the FM had experimented a BS speaker in place of dedicated center channel speaker and found no difference... But he didn't mean other way....

For movies in my opinion, a sat + Sub combo (or) BS+Sub combo is very good than a large floor-stander....
 
Center is the most hardworking speaker of your 5 channels. i almost feel bad that the beefy towers are having a easy time while the relatively smaller center is so hard at work. i have toyed with the idea of adding the tower as my center channel - maybe i'll do it sometime.
I like your thought of building stuff around the center channel. You can go with the same LCR, but ensure you get good speakers nevertheless.
 
Hi Gman,

how far do you live from the city... I too live far from the city.. (45 Kms Away near tiruvallur)...

I have paired a different center speaker (Sonodyne Avant LCR 250) with my Sonus 2605 as fronts... The speaker simply surpassed the 2605... Only then, i understood how important it was to get the speaker from the same family...

For movies you def need a dedicated center channel... In the thread you are referring to, the FM had experimented a BS speaker in place of dedicated center channel speaker and found no difference... But he didn't mean other way....

For movies in my opinion, a sat + Sub combo (or) BS+Sub combo is very good than a large floor-stander....

Well, that was me who talked about the Myth about "dedicated" center channel :). What I meant to say was that the speakers that are marked as "dedicated center" channel, typical horizontal aligned M-T-M configurations usually doesn't sound super better for dialog than a typical T-M vertical configuration BS. The issue is that the horizontal configuration of a typical center channel speaker makes us believe that you get a better horizontal dispersion of sound. But studies have proved that the horizontal configuration has a very low horizontal off axis dispersion and in turn they have a much wider vertical off axis dispersion.

As Elangos said, I never meant that you don't need a center channel in your 5 channel setup. You MUST have a good sounding speaker for the center channel to really enjoy a 5.1 movie. The most important thing to note is the timbre matching between all the other speakers in your 5 channel setup. If not able to match all the 5, the front 3 speakers should have identical sonic characteristics. The ideal situation is to use the exact same speakers for all the three front channels L-C-R.

Well, I started with KEF Q300 for all my front channels and had to replace them with Klipsch Reference series because of lack of SPL from the KEFs to fill my HT room. When I got the Klipsch reference, I did get their M-T-M configuration center channel speaker because that speaker offered better efficiency. But given a choice and good budget, I would still recommend using the exact same speaker for front L-C-R.

If you look at high end THX-Certified speaker systems, they use identical speaker for the front L-C-R and di-pole/bi-pole configuration of the exact same drivers used for L-C-R for surrounds and rear. Again di-pole/bi-pole configuration for surrounds is again a very debatable topic. There is one school of though suggest using direct firing speakers for surrounds and rear channels instead of "diffuse" sounding di-pole/bi-pole.

I have tried both direct firing and bi-pole for surrounds and didn't find any day-night difference between their performance. For a nicely mixed 5.1 track, I didn't find any difference at all w.r.t to the ambient surround sound stage and both type of speakers gave me the perfect "in the movie" effect. I would give all the credits to the sound mixer for creating the wonderful "immerse" effect.

I would definitely recommend placing your surround speakers direct/bi-pole 2-3 feet above your ear level from the normal sitting position.

-John.
 
OK,I tried many setups with Yamaha AVR and now happy with Diamond 9cs center.....

@Spriovious, Thanks a lot for sharing your experience!

Hi Gman,
how far do you live from the city... I too live far from the city.. (45 Kms Away near tiruvallur).....
I have paired a different center speaker (Sonodyne Avant LCR 250) with my Sonus 2605 as fronts... The speaker simply surpassed the 2605... Only then, i understood how important it was to get the speaker from the same family...
.....

Hi Elango,
Thanks once again for pitching in. I live probably about 35km away, but main challenge is that i get time only on sundays and most shops are closed on that days. Plus a few other domestic dependencies.

get the centre and fronts from the same family for optimum matching.

Center is the most hardworking speaker of your 5 channels. i almost feel bad that the beefy towers are having a easy time while the relatively smaller center is so hard at work. i have toyed with the idea of adding the tower as my center channel - maybe i'll do it sometime.
I like your thought of building stuff around the center channel. You can go with the same LCR, but ensure you get good speakers nevertheless.

@ Elango, Aakashr, Sash,
I too am thinking of buying speakers from the same family. Seeking feedback from people if they found any day light difference between the 3 models i mentioned in the subject and also if they found any other model to be better or equally good. I will go from there.

Well, that was me who talked about the Myth about "dedicated" center channel :) .......
.... Well, I started with KEF Q300 for all my front channels and had to replace them with Klipsch Reference series because of lack of SPL from the KEFs to fill my HT room.
.... -John.

Hi John,
Thanks a bunch for stopping by! Very nice of you to elaborate for everyone's benefit. Appreciate it!
I didn't understand the terms SPL and M-T-M, will look around...

To all those who kindly responded + many others viewing this post, can you please comment on the 9.CC,10.CC vs 10.CS?
 
SPL stands for sound pressure level or simply put the loudness or volume level at a location, specified in dB. M-T-M stands for mid range - tweeter - mid range driver configuration found in a typical horizontal centre channel speaker. Hope this helps.
 
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