Help me make the decision

[Dressel]

HI there

I am all set to buy turn table!

I have now come to the terms of the fact that no other hi definition audio format would come & stay here, I mean, the digital SACD or DVDA, Which I was deliriously hoping for.That means surrender to good old vinyl,& encouragingly so ..for the evident new releases on vinyl.

I am new to this. I bought few LPs online do not really know how they are.
Also I am educating my self about different TTs, Cartridges Phonos etc.

Can you guys help me knowing what TT to buy (up to 30000). I learn t
PRO-JECT RPM1.3,& REGA RP 1 are good entry s

I generally listen to old hindi OSTs, Indian classical, soft rock, and instrumentals.

I posses Wharfadale Pacific EVO2s towers, biwired by VDH to Denon AVR.1602.& B&W 302 Bookshelf,
I have acoustically treated (DIYed) listening room 15x12.

please suggest.

 

[reubensm]

if you want to play old LPs picked up from the pre-used market, a technics direct drive with S-arm and Shure M44-7 would be ideal...if you plan to play brand new LPs, a Project, Rega or Thorens should cover you. I know numerous first-timers like yourself, who know little about turntables but take the dive with expensive equipment, only to be disappointed when they hear their equipment play music for the first time. Playing and caring for LPs is an art and turntables need to be properly calibrated and maintained. The key is to choose the right turntable and cartridge for your requirements. Another often ignored factor is the phono stage. If your amp has one built in, its likely to be low end or medium end unless its a NAD (my personal opinion). Having a custom external phono preamp is not a bad idea. My 2 cents All the very best and welcome to the wonderful world of vinyl.

 

[akd]

listening practice, environment, preservation and taste differ for individuals. Analog sound and its fall outs are dear to me that does not ensure it will be same for you. I don't agree that the latest erratic release of records are a sign of "back to black". Still audio CDs are the safest bet. Of course no harm in trying your hand in TTs. My suggestion will be buy an entry level TT (Pro-ject Debut III or Audio Technica 120 or Rega RP1 all of them have decent resale value), listen to it and then take a call where will you submerge yourself. In todays world living with only records is not only expensive but sometimes pain in the ***. Remember to beat the SQ of a well pressed CD one has to spend enough money. Music is for pleasure and it should not leave you disappointed.

The kind of amp-speaker you have got probably an ordinary second hand TT will not serve you enough. Hindi film OST LPs are rare these days and prices have shoot up. I am not discouraging you - just ask yourself are you ready to buy ordinary LPs @300-400/- and rare ones @ 1K-2K on an average.

Please don't assume release of "Three Idiots" or "Jodha Akbar" has any sign of records are coming back, LPs have become history and no music company is going to come back to all analog again, so you will be served a few digital recording pressed with an analog head.

 

[ylesmana]

I never suggest to buy Rega Turntable..if you want to have a very good turntable then please consider or buy the following brands

01. SME
02. Thorens
03. Nottingham Audio
04. Clear Audio
05. Linn Sondek

For beginner, I recommend Thorens turntable must suit you. May be you can buy Thorens TD 170. The price is not that expensive but the quality of sound being produced is real pleasure.

 

[venkatcr]

I have now come to the terms of the fact that no other hi definition audio format would come & stay here, I mean, the digital SACD or DVDA, Which I was deliriously hoping for.That means surrender to good old vinyl,& encouragingly so ..for the evident new releases on vinyl.

Though you can buy and enjoy a TT, the future is digital audio. With digital recording slowly reaching 24/192, this is a resolution that a LP can never provide.

Cheers

 

[Bluu]

LPs have become history and no music company is going to come back to all analog again, so you will be served a few digital recording pressed with an analog head.

While you may be correct, I do think vinyl IS making a huge comeback. It's evident everywhere in world music.

Though you can buy and enjoy a TT, the future is digital audio. With digital recording slowly reaching 24/192, this is a resolution that a LP can never provide.

Cheers

Resolution is not everything. I have not yet heard a digital system which can rival an analog setup. Digital has many miles to go before it catches up with the quality of analog. Even then, it will never rival the charm.

Dressel - Please look at Pro-ject Debut 3 or even RPM Genie 1.3. Dealer is Nova Audio. You can speak to Mr Sushil Anand for guidance.

 

[sachu888]

Resolution is not everything. I have not yet heard a digital system which can rival an analog setup. Digital has many miles to go before it catches up with the quality of analog. Even then, it will never rival the charm.

+1

Regards,
Sachin

 

[sachu888]

HI there

I am all set to buy turn table!

I have now come to the terms of the fact that no other hi definition audio format would come & stay here, I mean, the digital SACD or DVDA, Which I was deliriously hoping for.That means surrender to good old vinyl,& encouragingly so ..for the evident new releases on vinyl.

I am new to this. I bought few LPs online do not really know how they are.
Also I am educating my self about different TTs, Cartridges Phonos etc.

Can you guys help me knowing what TT to buy (up to 30000). I learn t
PRO-JECT RPM1.3,& REGA RP 1 are good entry s

I generally listen to old hindi OSTs, Indian classical, soft rock, and instrumentals.

I posses Wharfadale Pacific EVO2s towers, biwired by VDH to Denon AVR.1602.& B&W 302 Bookshelf,
I have acoustically treated (DIYed) listening room 15x12.

please suggest.

IMO a used Technics DD,budget phonostage like Art and a shure M-44 or M97xe would be a better bet than new entry level players.

Regards,

Sachin

 

[wlg]

Hi
I have been collecting LP's since 69 to 1983, but I would rather listen to a scratchfree cd, Having visited a recording studio, all recordings are done on digital recorders hence the new LP's have to be digitially recorded. About LP's sounding better than cd's that is a personal issue

 

[sandeepmohan]

With digital recording slowly reaching 24/192, this is a resolution that a LP can never provide.

Take my word. All these number mean nothing next to a quality turn table setup. You don't even need to go close to high end to experience this.

Dressel...there is a lot to experience in digital. It sounds like you have not heard the best. Digital offers a world of convenience and quality. A good digital setup can bring the sound quality to the levels of a turn table. All this costs money and can be achieved slowly.

Getting back to turn tables. You can no longer buy a Rega RP1. Pro Ject Debut 3, Pro Ject RPM Genie 1.3 or the Denon DP-300F is where you will start your turn table journey. These are all budget turn tables and have very good sound quality for the money.

You have a problem though. A turn table will not work with your avr. Few avr's have phono inputs. Even if they do, it won't sound right. AVR's are not designed to excel with stereo. Few match their stereo only cousins. Adding a phono stage between the turn table and avr is something I will not do. It is best to invest in a dedicated stereo integrated amplifier.

 

[anm]

Though you can buy and enjoy a TT, the future is digital audio. With digital recording slowly reaching 24/192, this is a resolution that a LP can never provide.

Cheers

what resolution do you think is analog? Resolution is an approximation of the real thing, that is analog. Resolution as we know for digital does not apply for analog.

 

[anm]

I think it is not worth wasting time (unless you enjoy it, then it becomes time utilized) in a used TT, unless you buy from trusted source and in working condition. This is just my view though.
You can also look at project genie - I saw one at dillihifi's place it looks great and it sounds nice as well. Not sure if the feet on his table were factory installed or custom job.

 

[akd]

As far my understanding goes analog is continuous functional reproduction which is the best possible way one can think of. The question is does one need a continuous curve for a reasonable representation. There comes the smarter answer - divide the continuous function into several piecewise continuous strips and judiciously chose only a few to retain the curve. Well thats smart, progressive thinking. Theres more to it - it has opened up or made use of something called "integral transform" which shows us how audible sounds are enough represented by a bunch of frequencies.

How many of us complain about an .jpg or .bmp etc. images. An image can be thought of as a result of millions of squares, why not chose only a few and throw away the rest which our eyes can not detect. Isn't it a noble (not necessarily the best or optimum) idea?

I don't listen to CDs at all though have plenty of them. But my personal take on them is they are signs of progress we've made. The merit of digital media can't be taken away by sampling a few poorly digitized version from equally poor sources. I don't understand why these guys do "mastering" at all. Whats mastering?? How do they know which band of frequencies to enhanced? I have made simple digital copies without fiddling the waves and they simply sound better and smooth than many CDs, mind it I only use a mediocre setup.

People meticulous about sound have emphasized and hoped for some common sense to prevail in those recording studios.... is anybody listening??

 

[Bluu]

@akd - You raise very good points.

Re-mastering is done, to some extent, to be able to re-issue records/CDs so that companies can make more money. Why do you think the Pink Floyd collection is being re-mastered and re-released?

I have a digital only setup and it is fantastic. Very convenient, fast and sounds great too. However, I do think vinyl offers enough bang for the buck to warrant a serious consideration. When I plan to go the vinyl route, it will be for my most loved music and my most intent listening sessions. For everything else, digital is sufficient.

Dressel - To follow up to my previous comment to you: Nova Audio is offering the RPM1.3 Genie that akd has mentioned with the Ortofon 2M RED cartridge for a very reasonable price of approx 23K.

 

[jls001]

Dressel - To follow up to my previous comment to you: Nova Audio is offering the RPM1.3 Genie that akd has mentioned with the Ortofon 2M RED cartridge for a very reasonable price of approx 23K.

They also offer a cartridge upgrade from stock 2m RED. I told this is worth it.

Adding to what Sachu had said in an earlier post, going used route is a very viable option depending on where you are based. In Delhi and Mumbai, you can easily get good used tables in perfect working condition with cartridge. In Mumbai - right now - there is a Technics SL 3300 for sale. I don't know the price or condition, but same can found out if you are interested.
Joshua

 

[sachu888]

They also offer a cartridge upgrade from stock 2m RED. I told this is worth it.

Adding to what Sachu had said in an earlier post, going used route is a very viable option depending on where you are based. In Delhi and Mumbai, you can easily get good used tables in perfect working condition with cartridge. In Mumbai - right now - there is a Technics SL 3300 for sale. I don't know the price or condition, but same can found out if you are interested.
Joshua

I have recently bought Micro Seiki TT which is in transit from US,so my Technice SlD-303 might go on sale,which is in very good condition.

Regards,

Sachin

 

[jls001]

People meticulous about sound have emphasized and hoped for some common sense to prevail in those recording studios.... is anybody listening??

Some of the best recordings I have heard are those done using purely analog devices, with no or minimal processing. Case in point is Tabula Rasa which I mentioned here in this post. Of course good sound can be achieved, and is regularly achieved, with digital gear. So it's not really analog versus digital.

Normalisation of levels (raising the level of low passages and compressing loud passages to some pre-defined values) is an "evil" practiced by most mixing engineers and carried forward by mastering engineers. So dynamic range is reduced knowingly. This does not reflect what a musician intends his/her music to sound like. If, for example, a drummer expends extra energy in giving a sudden and tight thwack to his snare drum, his idea is that this particular note or passage of notes must stand out from the preceding and following notes. It is intended to sound loud and hit you in the face. If the final mix doesn't convey that, then much is already lost to the final listener.

The rare exceptions I know of are classical recordings (even current ones), some jazz records, and the so-called world music like Tabula Rasa.

Sadly, this trend is unlikely to change.
Joshua

 

[jls001]

I have recently bought Micro Seiki TT which is in transit from US

Wow!! Which model?

 

[sachu888]

Wow!! Which model?

Its MB-14 new in a box.I got a good deal, sorry I can't disclose the price.Currently Its being retained by Mumbai customs.
Retention reason : Hight-value goods - Official Customs declaration required

Regards,

Sachin

 

[sachu888]

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