Honest review of Bose 535 system

Robert Bose mentioned that a large portion of Bose revenues come from luxury auto sales. I am perplexed how Bose has been able to convince luxury car companies to buy it's system especially when it is supposed to be of poor quality. Of course I am assuming the these luxury brands do have technical staff who can assess quality properly and are not uninformed consumers. That is another mystery and it has nothing to do with small size or ease of use. Help me guys.. and gals...

shkumar, I too find it perplexing that despite dozens of posts trying to answer your question, you keep asking the same question. Which is - why is Bose so successful?

Maybe you don't want to hear the answers you are getting, and are still searching for those posters who would agree with you.

But if you want to be honest about this, then please try to understand the audiophile perspective on this.

For me personally, the popularity and revenue of a manufacturer has nothing to do with the audio quality I would expect from them. Sorry, that is not the correlation I tend to make - and from what I have seen - other forum members or audiophiles also don't make this correlation.

Bose is a lifestyle "hip" brand. Beats Audio is another such brand. Why would a car manufacturer not associate themselves with the Bose brand? It is definitely a boasting point for them.

Have I personally listened to Bose HT products? Yes - but only in a showroom setting. Was it good? Yes, for movies and special effects, it was decent. Was it overpriced? Maybe, maybe not. There are plenty of hifi components that are far more expensive - and many "value for money" products that are much cheaper too.

By the way, my car has a 7 speaker Bose system (comes by default). Sound quality is good and sometimes, by friends comment when they see the Bose logo. But is it spectacular sound? Not sure.

But the real reasons I view Bose products with suspicion is that they do NOT publish any kind of technical specs. They are completely non-transparent in this regard. One thing I see is that if a hifi brand (even the many many small ones) are truly proud of their audio quality, they freely share technical specs of their products. In fact, I see that the more proud a company feels about its engineering, the more detailed specs it freely shares.

The second observation is build quality or engineering quality. Bose in that regard is a "lifestyle" product - i.e. they focus on WAF and making their products look snazzy. But they are not robustly built. Simple thing - knuckle test. Most well built speakers will sound inert and dead if you rap the cabinet with your knuckles. Bose sounds more like the mass market stuff commonly available.

Again, one can come up with N reasons why Bose cannot be judged with a knuckle test. Fair enough.

Again, please note that I am not dissing Bose products or saying anything negative. They have come up with a lot of innovative products and their auditorium, car, and headphone (noise canceling) solutions seem to be really really good. But from a high fidelity point of view, I am not sure if they are doing enough to have enough credibility. And often, when faced with hundreds of other choices (many of which we cannot audition, but have to at least review based on specs), Bose doesn't even give enough basic info for us to make an informed choice.
 
Let me fill in my experience here. We had a a Bose Sounddock as well as Acoustimass 5.1 set up some where in 2005 time period. In our current car (Nissan - Qashqai) there is Bose factory fitted system. Also heard Bose in many public places.
With this background, my observation about Bose is that their set up has to come as a solution. Example, like the way it is in our car. They have designed all the speakers along with subwoofer as well as the DSP and a separate amp to fit in the car's cabin. Their prowess lies in using the directionality of Sound and custom tuning it to a location which more or less works better than any off-the market product. The sound in our car is really good and I was crazy enough in the past to invest a lot more money in car audio.
The same is applicable for public places, where Bose supplies, installs and tunes a solution.
When it comes to home audio, there are two factors which affect negatively. Bose products want to work in tandem with the reflections and absorption surfaces and at home this, in most cases, does not fit the Bose Product.
Secondly the soundstage is something that is sorely missed (as per me) in Bose products which fails to give any depth to the soundstage. To some extent it is managed in custom built solutions but when it comes to home audio products I would rather use that money on something that is more in tune with my requirements. If I need a life style product and there is enough cash outflow, Bang & Olufsen is my company for such needs. They have true active designs and lifestyle practicality. I have Beolab 9 which are extremely talented.

That's my 2 paisa!
 
Yes. That is what is perplexing. When people who invest time and energy and are knowledgeable lime Chennai Music Academy choose Bose, how can we say that Bose is of poor quality. I am sure advertising will pay a much smaller part in that decision. is there anyone in this forum who has worked for any such institutions amd tell us how Bose achieves that quality that supposedly high end speakers (read KEF, B&W, Dali etc) can not.

I played cricket in school level. I was the Rahul Dravid mold, I liked to stick it out and not hit out. I enjoyed grafting an innings and help my team build one around it (when I was successful in doing so). There were other guys who were either more, or less talented than me, they played swashbuckling shots, quickfire runs and sometimes big ones too. I like test cricket more than T20.
It is my style versus his or theirs. Applaud the guy that you like. I prefer Dravid to Dhawan.

Are you catching the drift?

Why did these institutions go with Bose?
1) Their product is not the worst thing, but certainly much better can be had.
2) Bose can lobby and run a PR charm offensive, others chose not to in most cases.
3) Marketing.
4) Target market is different. Bose is one (or a few) step up for those with Sony / Panasonic / LG / Samsung etc. Not surprising then they aspire to Bose. It is the 'name' that is the goal, not quality of music for them.

Bose vs. The Rest debate is getting old :indifferent14:
 
Bose is not worth for the money. It is so small and cute but lags in sound.
For the same price you can buy other good products...
 
Yes. That is what is perplexing. When people who invest time and energy and are knowledgeable lime Chennai Music Academy choose Bose, how can we say that Bose is of poor quality. I am sure advertising will pay a much smaller part in that decision. is there anyone in this forum who has worked for any such institutions amd tell us how Bose achieves that quality that supposedly high end speakers (read KEF, B&W, Dali etc) can not.

Not so perplexing....for every one Music Academy that buys Bose there are a hundred others who do not.

Bottom line being it all depends on how Bose sounds to you. If you like the sound, Bose is for you and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
I agree that it is time to close this topic. Most people are just repeating what they and others have said before. It will be good to summarize major points at this stage. I welcome anyone who wants to do that. Otherwise if I find time after thanksgiving I will try to do this. This has been a good discussion comprising of both business and technical issues. Thanks to all who contributed. Please excuse my typos. I am not that good at typing in iphone
 
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