My new setup

[satish 1926]

Hi All

Many thanks to fellow members Sriram and Dina Sir for helping me in choosing/buying/setting up 2.0 system First I bought the speakers ,then the amp and finally a streamer.

Many Thanks to Mr.Prateesh for his valuable insights .

Speakers: Technics SB CD977
Amplifier: Technics su 85 AA stereo Amplifier 150 watts raw power
Audio Source : Yamaha WXC 50


will share an video of the same

with regards
satish

 

[kapvin]

Hi All

Many thanks to fellow members Sriram and Dina Sir for helping me in choosing/buying/setting up 2.0 system First I bought the speakers ,then the amp and finally a streamer.

Many Thanks to Mr.Prateesh for his valuable insights .

Speakers: Technics SB CD977
Amplifier: Technics su 85 AA stereo Amplifier 150 watts raw power
Audio Source : Yamaha WXC 50


will share an video of the same

with regards
satish

isnt this a vintage model of amp?

I have heard and loved the SU-V9 and Su-V707 more than 30 years back. I am guessing this is an newer generation of that. regardless I have always loved the technics brand. there was a feeling of reassurance in the engineering of Matsushita products that just wasnt there in most other Japanese brands (except Sansui)

all the very best and happy listening

 

[mahaaprasaad]

A Musical journey started....all the best on your way....keep going. I have started the same way decade back.

 

[sriram_shol]

Hi All

Many thanks to fellow members Sriram and Dina Sir for helping me in choosing/buying/setting up 2.0 system First I bought the speakers ,then the amp and finally a streamer.

Many Thanks to Mr.Prateesh for his valuable insights .

Speakers: Technics SB CD977
Amplifier: Technics su 85 AA stereo Amplifier 150 watts raw power
Audio Source : Yamaha WXC 50


will share an video of the same

with regards
satish

Happy to help you!

 

[Gecko]

Hi All

Many thanks to fellow members Sriram and Dina Sir for helping me in choosing/buying/setting up 2.0 system First I bought the speakers ,then the amp and finally a streamer.

Many Thanks to Mr.Prateesh for his valuable insights .

Speakers: Technics SB CD977
Amplifier: Technics su 85 AA stereo Amplifier 150 watts raw power
Audio Source : Yamaha WXC 50


will share an video of the same

with regards
satish

Hi Sathish, do let us know how your Setup sounds

 

[Prodigy]

Congratulations on your set up.
WXC is a good streamer / Preamp. I am too using it for sometime now and very happy with it.
Are you using it as a player mode only? The pre amp section on WXC is good too and you do get sub out when used in as a preamp.
You can try that if you have not already and see how it sounds.

All the best!
Som

 

[satish 1926]

Congratulations on your set up.
WXC is a good streamer / Preamp. I am too using it for sometime now and very happy with it.
Are you using it as a player mode only? The pre amp section on WXC is good too and you do get sub out when used in as a preamp.
You can try that if you have not already and see how it sounds.

All the best!
Som

hi sir

yes using it as a pre amp initially but now using it in player mode ,planning for a sub to match my setup.

pre amp all sources sounded too good apple music,spotify,usb bluetooth but liking it very much in player mode, spotify is very clean and rich apple music is ok , flac/wma files too good to listen in their purest forms.


will share a video asap



regards
satish

 

[DB1989]

Congratulations on your set up.
WXC is a good streamer / Preamp. I am too using it for sometime now and very happy with it.
Are you using it as a player mode only? The pre amp section on WXC is good too and you do get sub out when used in as a preamp.
You can try that if you have not already and see how it sounds.

All the best!
Som

Subwoofer out not required if a sub has high level inputs . And in my experience, subs fed through the high level input sound better for music.

 

[Prodigy]

Subwoofer out not required if a sub has high level inputs . And in my experience, subs fed through the high level input sound better for music.

Hi @DB1989
Never tried that till date. I will explore that option and see how it does.
As of now I am using the BIC ported sub from HT but then I am thinking of adding 2 sealed 10” subs.
What’s your opinion on that ??

 

[fLUX]

Hi @DB1989
Never tried that till date. I will explore that option and see how it does.
As of now I am using the BIC ported sub from HT but then I am thinking of adding 2 sealed 10” subs.
What’s your opinion on that ??

Is it for movies or music ? Just recently sold my SB4K and went for a dual setup, for movies it is indeed beneficial and the bass response is really smooth and powerful, For music I am yet to try it via the AVR , will report once I do.

 

[Prodigy]

Is it for movies or music ? Just recently sold my SB4K and went for a dual setup, for movies it is indeed beneficial and the bass response is really smooth and powerful, For music I am yet to try it via the AVR , will report once I do.

For music. Two 10” subs is what I was planning on

 

[DB1989]

Hi @DB1989
Never tried that till date. I will explore that option and see how it does.
As of now I am using the BIC ported sub from HT but then I am thinking of adding 2 sealed 10” subs.
What’s your opinion on that ??

Conventional (and popular) wisdom and opinion dictates that sealed 10" subs work better for music than their ported counterparts. Having said that, i have owned a 10" ported sub in the past (the Yamma NS-SW300) and i currently have the REL and while there's no dount the latter is clearly better, I never found the ported Yamma to be wanting in this aspect. But the Yamma was slightly slower to respond than the REL, something that i never noticed till i did a back to back comparison. And once you've heard it, you can't unhear it.

Im sure you're already aware that the main benefit of implementing two subs is better distribution of bass frequencies throughout the room though it also pays dividends when it comes to bass quantity/loudness. From my experience however, when it comes to music, besides even distribution, loudness/quantity of bass becomes a non-est consideration as you do not want the bass to be overpowering the remainning frequencies. As such, I found myself turning down the gain on both subs in order to get a linear frequency response with the mids and the highs (with a slight bump of around +2-3db over the rest of the frequencies kyunki baby ko bass pasand hai? insert hiding face in shame emoji). I ended up selling the Yamma as it was inconsistent with the tonaility of the REL so despite adding to the overall bass weight and distribution, the combination worked against bass definition and clarity which to my ears is more important. Since there is more than adequate bass reproduction from the single REL in my listening position, i haven't felt the need to implement a second sub though its definitely on my list, albeit on lower priority to other components which i intend to implement as and when possible.

As i see it, if you already have good bass distribution in your room or at least in your listening position and you don't shift around much, I suppose you can dispense with the need for two subs to save a few bucks. But then again, if you're willing to splurge, please go ahead and get two.

 

[DB1989]

Is it for movies or music ? Just recently sold my SB4K and went for a dual setup, for movies it is indeed beneficial and the bass response is really smooth and powerful, For music I am yet to try it via the AVR , will report once I do.

I just noticed you have both the Indiqaudio Saptak Monoblocks as well as the Crown. Would love to hear your observations on how the two compare!

 

[DB1989]

Hi @DB1989
Never tried that till date. I will explore that option and see how it does.
As of now I am using the BIC ported sub from HT but then I am thinking of adding 2 sealed 10” subs.
What’s your opinion on that ??

Also, how’s the pairing of the BIC and Indiqs working out for you?

 

[Prodigy]

Conventional (and popular) wisdom and opinion dictates that sealed 10" subs work better for music than their ported counterparts. Having said that, i have owned a 10" ported sub in the past (the Yamma NS-SW300) and i currently have the REL and while there's no dount the latter is clearly better, I never found the ported Yamma to be wanting in this aspect. But the Yamma was slightly slower to respond than the REL, something that i never noticed till i did a back to back comparison. And once you've heard it, you can't unhear it.

Im sure you're already aware that the main benefit of implementing two subs is better distribution of bass frequencies throughout the room though it also pays dividends when it comes to bass quantity/loudness. From my experience however, when it comes to music, besides even distribution, loudness/quantity of bass becomes a non-est consideration as you do not want the bass to be overpowering the remainning frequencies. As such, I found myself turning down the gain on both subs in order to get a linear frequency response with the mids and the highs (with a slight bump of around +2-3db over the rest of the frequencies kyunki baby ko bass pasand hai? insert hiding face in shame emoji). I ended up selling the Yamma as it was inconsistent with the tonaility of the REL so despite adding to the overall bass weight and distribution, the combination worked against bass definition and clarity which to my ears is more important. Since there is more than adequate bass reproduction from the single REL in my listening position, i haven't felt the need to implement a second sub though its definitely on my list, albeit on lower priority to other components which i intend to implement as and when possible.

As i see it, if you already have good bass distribution in your room or at least in your listening position and you don't shift around much, I suppose you can dispense with the need for two subs to save a few bucks. But then again, if you're willing to splurge, please go ahead and get two.

Same here . I like that slight bass for music.. It enhances the overall listening experience while listening in Pure Direct Mode.. Infact, i always listen to in direct mode as I really do not like that Enhanced mode what WXC 50 has. I felt it bumps up the LF a little more than my liking and muddys the mids a bit.
So the idea of 2 Subs came after seeing those at IndiqAudio. They have a dual passive sub mated to 1 amp and when i reached out to them I was told it was very good for 2 channel listening and has a perfect match to my Achal's. I have not auditioned it yet but planning to do so over the weekend if possible. Will try a home audition and see how it behaves in my listening space.

 

[Prodigy]

Also, how’s the pairing of the BIC and Indiqs working out for you?

So far no complaints.. The only issue is, I am running my HT without a SUB and there is not much of a thrill there.
Talking about how BIC pairs with my Set up, this is what I have done to get the best out of BIC.

1) Closed one of the front ports by inserting a thick sponge in it (Desi Juggad)
2) Set the crossover to 40Hz on the plate amp behind the Sub (The Yamaha WXC does not have option to set the crossover frequency and It only has levels between -6 & +6DB for Sub)
3) Volume on the sub is kept at around 40% and the level on WXC at -4DB.

With this, the sub is not boomy and is syncing well with the towers. Only when you hit that ultra low end on certain tracks, I can notice the presence of the sub. Overall now the Bass is a bit rounded and smooth but when listening to trance i switch off the sub completely as i can notice the sub is not fast.

may be, i am guessing in a sealed sub the bass is going to be a bit tighter and fast compared to BIC.

Overall, its a great addition and has made music listening more enjoyable but not movie watching without a Sub.

Regards,
Som

 

[DB1989]

So far no complaints.. The only issue is, I am running my HT without a SUB and there is not much of a thrill there.
Talking about how BIC pairs with my Set up, this is what I have done to get the best out of BIC.

1) Closed one of the front ports by inserting a thick sponge in it (Desi Juggad)
2) Set the crossover to 40Hz on the plate amp behind the Sub (The Yamaha WXC does not have option to set the crossover frequency and It only has levels between -6 & +6DB for Sub)
3) Volume on the sub is kept at around 40% and the level on WXC at -4DB.

With this, the sub is not boomy and is syncing well with the towers. Only when you hit that ultra low end on certain tracks, I can notice the presence of the sub. Overall now the Bass is a bit rounded and smooth but when listening to trance i switch off the sub completely as i can notice the sub is not fast.

may be, i am guessing in a sealed sub the bass is going to be a bit tighter and fast compared to BIC.

Overall, its a great addition and has made music listening more enjoyable but not movie watching without a Sub.

Regards,
Som

Well, a sealed sub is not going to reach as deep as a ported sub so there’ll be a trade off there... The REL reaches down only till 25hz effectively i.e. at -0db extension before rolling off very sharply (vide Umik REW measurements). However, at no point of time are they detectable as a separate box. And its difficult to describe but - incredibly clean??? and sound like an extension of your loudspeakers or rather, they are digging much deeper. Do audition one if you can. how much are the indiq subs for though?

 

[Prodigy]

Well, a sealed sub is not going to reach as deep as a ported sub so there’ll be a trade off there... The REL reaches down only till 25hz effectively i.e. at -0db extension before rolling off very sharply (vide Umik REW measurements). However, at no point of time are they detectable as a separate box. And its difficult to describe but - incredibly clean??? and sound like an extension of your loudspeakers. Do audition one if you can. how much are the indiq subs for though?

The dual sub's I think is somewhere around 55 or 56K. Not quite sure though.. Need to check.
The only requirement of a sub is for that ultra low frequency on some of the tracks & for the rest of it the towers can produce a good amount of bass. For me the main concern is the room size of 10500Cft. To fill that kind of room with bass with great authority i feel a sub is required.

Another surprising fact in the same room is, when I move the towers to the same place where I have the TV and the Elac's, which is at the center of 35ft (The horizontal side) I don't feel the need for a sub.
So indeed the room and placement of speakers do play a major role, especially when it comes to low frequency is what i have understood.

How is it with you? Does your room also mess up the low frequency?
And by the way, How is FX Audio Tube 03? I was trying to get my hands on it too..

 

[DB1989]

The dual sub's I think is somewhere around 55 or 56K. Not quite sure though.. Need to check.
The only requirement of a sub is for that ultra low frequency on some of the tracks & for the rest of it the towers can produce a good amount of bass. For me the main concern is the room size of 10500Cft. To fill that kind of room with bass with great authority i feel a sub is required.

Another surprising fact in the same room is, when I move the towers to the same place where I have the TV and the Elac's, which is at the center of 35ft (The horizontal side) I don't feel the need for a sub.
So indeed the room and placement of speakers do play a major role, especially when it comes to low frequency is what i have understood.

How is it with you? Does your room also mess up the low frequency?
And by the way, How is FX Audio Tube 03? I was trying to get my hands on it too..

In that case, you’ll need dual subs for sure. I too have a second spot in my room where the loudspeakers produce enough bass to typically not need a subwoofer but when augmented by it, the sound is surreal.

 

[fLUX]

I just noticed you have both the Indiqaudio Saptak Monoblocks as well as the Crown. Would love to hear your observations on how the two compare!

The Saptak monoblocks sound much better especially with the focals, the differences translate mainly into much better soundstage, more relaxed presentation (somehow feel the Crown XLS rushes the music which actually gels well with the Dynaudio M20 which is slightly laidback), slightly better seperation and imaging and the vocals also feel much more lushful with the Saptak.

I briefly had the Marantz PM8006 used as PA/IA , if I ignore the lack of power i felt the Marantz had better vocals over both of them, but was lacking comparitively in details and imaging.