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[Bhoot]

On the Avenue sound website the price of RYTHMIK FV15HP is approx 1,39,000/-. On the SVS thread , FM
argentum246 is selling a 1.5 years used PB 2000 in good condition in case if you are interested.

I did call up avenue. They are misleading as they haven't put the gst + shipping in the listed price. Once you add it to cart and put the pin code you get the mrp. For me it was coming to 166k. Sad, yes, but then what can we mere mortals do?

 

[abhi33]

I did call up avenue. They are misleading as they haven't put the gst + shipping in the listed price. Once you add it to cart and put the pin code you get the mrp. For me it was coming to 166k. Sad, yes, but then what can we mere mortals do?

For Rythmik Subwoofers info, both AvenueSound and Prosonics Santosh (9900068654 -Bangalore)can be contacted.

 

[Nitin K]

I did call up avenue. They are misleading as they haven't put the gst + shipping in the listed price. Once you add it to cart and put the pin code you get the mrp. For me it was coming to 166k. Sad, yes, but then what can we mere mortals do?

That's bad. I can understand the shipping part since the destination varies from person to person. But at least they should be honest enough to mention gst extra which is mandatory while displaying the price.
You can contact Mr. Kadam , Alliance4 audio, Mumbai . mob +91 99308 13708 , landline 022 2685 4664 in case if you are going for SVS.
He has always given me a good deal for SVS and Dali speakers and is a very accommodating person.
You can also consider buying one subwoofer from FM Argentum after considering the price and logistics part if both of you'll are located at different places. I am not aware where XTZ's are available in Mumbai but you can ask Mr. Kadam.

 

[HTuser]

Finally called many people and the final prices are
SVS PB2000 90,000/
RYTHMIK FV15HP 1,50,000/
XTZ I'm yet to get confirmation/find distributors in Bom.
The 2 above are also available for auditioning. Rythmik have a near 2 month waiting period coz they only order after you pay 60% and take 40% after you take delivery.
SVS are available widely at the store I talked to.
These prices are through, through old contacts. Prices may vary in the future.
Is the rythmik with a price of 60k extra still worth it.
I could theoretically own 3 pb2000 for the cost of 2 Rythmik

XTZ Archives - The Home Cinema

www.thehomecinema.in

You may contact for pricing. They may be able to ship to Mumbai as well.

Don't have details on who is the XTZ dealer in Mumbai.

 

[Bhoot]

Also wanted to know if there is any difference between the FV15HP-SE and standard FV15HP. The guy I talked to at avenue sound mumbai said "nothing, except the cone material" , but then I'm guessing they wouldn't just change cone for nothing and launch a pricier sub, would they? It's baffling how these dealers sometimes try to mislead you with misinformation. I tried looking on the Rythmik website and it said the SE is no longer available. Does that mean it wasn't good?

 

[argentum246]

Btw did u finalise rythmik? If yes then we can do a group buy to get a better deal from them

 

[Decadent_Spectre]

I don't think I saw some information in your first post. Firstly it is not clear whether you are looking for louder or a certain sound signature, secondly do you prefer the sound of explosions or kick drums, my understanding was that you were more interested in movies. Thirdly how big can the sub be? Fourthly what is the budget? And lastly is the 200Hz XO set in stone?

 

[argentum246]

I am not only looking for chest slam type sound but also the one that gives tactile feel or the rumbling directly or indirectly via sofa etc. something that goes loud but not bleeds ur ears or creates boominess in movies. Just like closing a big wooden door loudly..but at the same time giving u feel of train moving on the platform. Size similar to pb2000 but not a fridge size one and under 1.5L

 

[greenhorn]

If tactile bass is all you need, why not just buy some tactile transducers and fit them to your couch/sofa and drive them using some cheap amp you have lying around

It's a surgical bass strike on your couch

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[Bhoot]

For Rythmik Subwoofers info, both AvenueSound and Prosonics Santosh (9900068654 -Bangalore)can be contacted.

I did contact him. Much better response than what I got from the mumbai store. Thank you for the suggestion and reference.

 

[Bhoot]

I don't think I saw some information in your first post. Firstly it is not clear whether you are looking for louder or a certain sound signature, secondly do you prefer the sound of explosions or kick drums, my understanding was that you were more interested in movies. Thirdly how big can the sub be? Fourthly what is the budget? And lastly is the 200Hz XO set in stone?

I'm looking for louder bass. Currently I feel it's very less and any increase on the klipsch and I hear a lot of port noise and I'm a bit scared of damaging the driver on the kef T2. Second answer is for movies and in particular explosions or sound effects, like the edge of tomorrow starting scene or gravity starting (intro text before the first scene). It should be a numbing feeling without me able to figure out the location of the subwoofer (I guess that's how it's supposed to be?). As for the 3rd answer, I don't want a huge huge sub measuring over few feet in each direction. 50-60 kg (hence rythmik) is OK but something like a pb 16 ultra maybe too big. Budget wise I'm OK spending for a pair of rythmik, but then it should be worth it. bose and Sonos I could never like because I feel they overcharge for the quality of sound. For the 4th question the kef t101 are TM and t301 are MTM. Since I lack a woofer in all my speakers, I thought letting maximum lifting of lower frequencies by the subwoofer would be beneficial.

 

[prateekatasniya]

I'm looking for louder bass. Currently I feel it's very less and any increase on the klipsch and I hear a lot of port noise and I'm a bit scared of damaging the driver on the kef T2. Second answer is for movies and in particular explosions or sound effects, like the edge of tomorrow starting scene or gravity starting (intro text before the first scene). It should be a numbing feeling without me able to figure out the location of the subwoofer (I guess that's how it's supposed to be?). As for the 3rd answer, I don't want a huge huge sub measuring over few feet in each direction. 50-60 kg (hence rythmik) is OK but something like a pb 16 ultra maybe too big. Budget wise I'm OK spending for a pair of rythmik, but then it should be worth it. bose and Sonos I could never like because I feel they overcharge for the quality of sound. For the 4th question the kef t101 are TM and t301 are MTM. Since I lack a woofer in all my speakers, I thought letting maximum lifting of lower frequencies by the subwoofer would be beneficial.

If sub can be localised with edge of tomorrow then its due to distortion or port noise..
I suggest you to opt for a high power sealed sub.
I have tested edge of tomorrow multiple times with my sub custom sealed sub and my genelec 7060b( ported).
As edge of tomorrow has bass under tuning frequency of many ported subs, ported sub isn't the right product for your choice.

 

[Nitin K]

If sub can be localised with edge of tomorrow then its due to distortion or port noise..
I suggest you to opt for a high power sealed sub.
I have tested edge of tomorrow multiple times with my sub custom sealed sub and my genelec 7060b( ported).
As edge of tomorrow has bass under tuning frequency of many ported subs, ported sub isn't the right product for your choice.

Would differ on that, A well designed ported sub with the appropriate cabinet size, proper amplification & driver size with proper port tuning would play edge of tomorrow properly but will end up being too expensive & big in size. Generally for movies ported is more preferred than sealed which is more suited for music but certainly not a hard & fast rule.
A sealed sub may offer more extension but an appropriate ported will play at least 2X times louder than a sealed as the frequency goes down till its port tuning point & will drop off steeply. A sealed subwoofer would require a lot of amplification or multiple subs to match the loudness of a ported sub in the lower frequencies.
@ Bhoot, would be better to fix your budget first & see what best you can get at that price. 10 hz frequency content would be very few & you may have to think if it is viable to spend a lot for a proper sounding subwoofer which can cleanly play it. Hence don't get stuck with 10 hz frequency which only a few subs can do justice..
Yesterday I did play edge of tomorrow, opening part on the PC 2000 at 55% volume which is my normal level for watching movies( I don't play at reference levels since I don't listen so loud). The sofa did get converted to a massage chair for a few seconds but I seriously doubt whether it played it the way it was supposed to sound. Anyways with the money spent I am happy with what it does.
Another user's point of view is attached for your reference. You will have to figure out how much you can spend & what to expect within that & be happy. All the best, will leave it at this.

 

[prateekatasniya]

Would differ on that, A well designed ported sub with the appropriate cabinet & driver size with proper tuning would play edge of tomorrow properly but will end up being too expensive & big in size. Generally for movies ported is more preferred than sealed which is more suited for music but certainly not a hard & fast rule.
A sealed sub may offer more extension but an appropriate ported will play at least 2X times louder than a sealed as the frequency goes down till its port tuning point & will drop off steeply. A sealed subwoofer would require a lot of amplification or multiple subs to match the loudness of a ported sub in the lower frequencies.
@ Bhoot, would be better to fix your budget first & see what best you can get at that price. 10 hz frequency content would be very few & you may have to think if it is viable to spend a lot for a proper sounding subwoofer which can cleanly play it. Hence don't get stuck with 10 hz frequency which only a few subs can do justice..
Yesterday I did play edge of tomorrow, opening part on the PC 2000 at 55% volume which is my normal level for watching movies( I don't play at reference levels since I don't listen so loud). The sofa did get converted to a massage chair for a few seconds but I seriously doubt whether it played it the way it was supposed to sound. Anyways with the money spent I am happy with what it does.
Another user's point of view is attached for your reference. You will have to figure out how much you can spend & what to expect within that & be happy. All the best, will leave it at this.

I mentioned many ported subs, not all..
And I also mentioned high powered seal subs.. And not all sealed subs..
I have experienced edge of tomorrow close to as it was meant to sound.. so telling with experience.

And yeah.. ported is preferred for movies for high output demand at budget.. However if one has budget to buy a powerful enough sealed subwoofer then without any doubt it will outperform a ported subwoofer for clarity and depth.

And its not just for the sake of 10hz.. overall bass quality changes as the sub capacity to dig deeper increases..( check sealed sub vs ported sub RTA graphs)

At same SPL a good sealed sub almost always performs better than a good ported sub..

 

[Nitin K]

I mentioned many ported subs, not all..
And I also mentioned high powered seal subs.. And not all sealed subs..
I have experienced edge of tomorrow close to as it was meant to sound.. so telling with experience.

And yeah.. ported is preferred for movies for high output demand at budget.. However if one has budget to buy a powerful enough sealed subwoofer then without any doubt it will outperform a ported subwoofer for clarity and depth.

And its not just for the sake of 10hz.. overall bass quality changes as the sub capacity to dig deeper increases..( check sealed sub vs ported sub RTA graphs)

At same SPL a good sealed sub almost always performs better than a good ported sub..

Then in that case all movie lovers expecting a lot of bass should only have gone for sealed which does not seem the case.
In the op's case all things aside what is practical in the given budget should be considered. Subs with port tuning are also available which can be used in ported or sealed mode to make the best of both.
Don't want to go off topic by discussing which powerful sub can play 10 hz content cleanly.

 

[prateekatasniya]

Then in that case all movie lovers expecting a lot of bass should only have gone for sealed which does not seem the case.
In the op's case all things aside what is practical in the given budget should be considered.
Don't want to go off topic by discussing which powerful sub can play 10 hz content cleanly.

Budget constraints sir..
If a Powerful enough sealed can be bought ( within budget) then it will be a better choice.

And op has sufficient budget to buy a high power sealed sub..
So I'm not going off topic..

Have you experienced a powerful enough sealed sub ?
I have spent 4 months on designing and building my 18" sealed sub.. and then spent hours experimenting with it's performance. Another thing to note is earlier I was using genelec ported Subwoofer.
So I'm telling things with experience.

 

[Nitin K]

Budget constraints sir..
If a Powerful enough sealed can be bought ( within budget) then it will be a better choice.

And op has sufficient budget to buy a high power sealed sub..
So I'm not going off topic..

Have you experienced a powerful enough sealed sub ?
I have spent 4 months on designing and building my 18" sealed sub.. and then spent hours experimenting with it's performance. Another thing to note is earlier I was using genelec ported Subwoofer.
So I'm telling things with experience.

From @ Bhoot below regarding budget for Rythmik 15 inch somewhere on top of the thread.

I did call up avenue. They are misleading as they haven't put the gst + shipping in the listed price. Once you add it to cart and put the pin code you get the mrp. For me it was coming to 166k. Sad, yes, but then what can we mere mortals do?

Now where I am concerned as to hearing a powerful subwoofer , no I haven't got the opportunity to hear one. I consider myself a noob willing to learn from an experienced person who knows his stuff. I have often emailed SVS regarding sealed & ported subs. Ed Mullens reply was consistent in stating that for low end generally , a ported in the same range will perform louder till the tuning point with lower frequencies & a sealed will perform louder in the upper bass as the frequencies go up. I respect his knowledge & experience since he knows what he does .
In this day & age one can also google & find out the general consensus or through friends, then confirm the same personally & take a decision.

 

[prateekatasniya]

Ed Mullen is right..
In same range(read price range) output of ported is louder.
That's why I mentioned if budget permits to buy a high powered sub.
And rythmik 15" sealed isn't in the same range as PB 2000.

 

[Nitin K]

Ed Mullen is right..
In same range(read price range) output of ported is louder.
That's why I mentioned if budget permits to buy a high powered sub.
And rythmik 15" sealed isn't in the same range as PB 2000.

The OP has already found out and aware that for the price of one Rythmik 15, he can get multiple PB 2000's in the thread above.

 

[tuff]

Have you done the subwoofer crawl? I am sorry if you have dont it already. It could be that the sub's position is in the wrong place. Ignore if already in the optimal place.