options to connect 2 AVRs!

[kittu8_in2002]

Hello friends,

just wanted to confirm that can we connect 2 avrs via hdmi ?

example:: onkyo pr-sc5509 to txnr 1010 via hdmi..

are there any other methods do discuss..... the thing is i should get surround sound .... say if i connect speakers via 5509 and then via 1010.
kindly share!

 

[prosenjit]

kindly share your present parts and objective..it wud be easy to suggest

 

[spirovious]

We can connect via HDMI.I had connected MP to Yamaha667 & then monitor out to Pioneer.This was done to compare 2 AVRs.What is your need?

 

[kittu8_in2002]

its just in my mind.... for example if we have a situation where we require more than 9 speakers and 2 subs, so can we connect 2 or more AVRs , so that we have more than 9 speakers. may be 18 with 4 subs:licklips:

also , since about 70% of a movie are dialogues any smart way to increase the center speaker channel. may be through series and parallel connection or any means..

kindly suggest

 

[hemantwaghe]

its just in my mind.... for example if we have a situation where we require more than 9 speakers and 2 subs, so can we connect 2 or more AVRs , so that we have more than 9 speakers. may be 18 with 4 subs:licklips:

also , since about 70% of a movie are dialogues any smart way to increase the center speaker channel. may be through series and parallel connection or any means..

kindly suggest

how you are going to decode? I mean if BD is 5.1 how other speakers will be added? will not that sound out of focus?

 

[spirovious]

Its possible to run 2 AVRs in the same way I mentioned & both AVRs can decode at the same time.Only issue is sound quality of different combos will spoil the HT experience.

 

[Nishanth]

You can connect the HDMI cable to one AVR and let it handle the decoding and processing and then use the AVR's 5.1 or 7.1 out pre outs to send the decoded audio to the other receiver for adding more speakers. In this set up the second receiver will only be acting as an amplifier for the extra speakers, you can also use amplifiers instead of an second AVR in this setup.

 

[kittu8_in2002]

great feedfack ! now clear my doubt as you friends have always done

frankly we have club hall dimensions 23 ft x 60 ft,
we have plans of converting it into a hall for weekend movies.
So, i was just thinking for this idea.
2 avrs, both connected via hdmi ( both 9.2 ch so over all we have 18.4 )
the 1st avr will handle the vocals (keeping it in all ch stereo )
2nd avr will be kept in the DTS or DOLBY mode. ( making sure the surround sound is effective)
All the speakers will be of the same make.
4 woofers either kept just infront of the screen in a row, or in each corner(kindly suggest)
the screen size will be 16ft wide and roughly 11 ft height.( 16:9 format)
was planning for viewsonic 8300 or pro 8400(3000lm/4000lm rspectively)
( budget issues )

i need ur guidance ,if am wrong or correct. better ideas from ur end.....suggest:clapping:......

kindly suggest.

 

[kittu8_in2002]

also the vocal speakers from the 1st avr 9 speakers) will be kept most around the screen, FR FL, front high R&L , and the rest 4 on sides (nearest to screen)
2on right and 2 on left. center behind screen.

the second avrs 9 speakers will be like 4 on left 4 on right and 9th one ( center spk) over the beam.

also we can handle the volume of vocals and surround separately,
( will find a sweet balance, hope so )

this hall has 3 beams on top. so was planning to put it on the center beam.

 

[spirovious]

You can connect the HDMI cable to one AVR and let it handle the decoding and processing and then use the AVR's 5.1 or 7.1 out pre outs to send the decoded audio to the other receiver for adding more speakers. In this set up the second receiver will only be acting as an amplifier for the extra speakers, you can also use amplifiers instead of an second AVR in this setup.

Thats is not correct way.When you use preouts,you should not use the AVR amp,else system may get unstable(yamaha says same).
Now I had input to Yamaha 667 via HDMI. There is an option to select decoding & at the same time sending audio via monitor out.Doing this Yamaha decodes independently & another AVR does its Job.Even HD-audio was sent to Pioneer AVR by Yamaha.Tried this once & it worked.

 

[kittu8_in2002]

friends waiting for your reply :yahoo:

 

[Nishanth]

A single AVR should be enough for your setup and doing so will give a more uniform sound field and should also make operating the setup easier. For the extra speakers that your setup needs you can use external amplifiers to power them and use the pre outs of the AVR as the input source for the amps.

If your get the right speakers for a large hall then the standard 9.1 front speaker setup (1 center, front left, front right, 2 height channels should be enough for your setup). Instead of investing in more speakers for the front it is better to go in for bigger and more powerful speakers. A single high power Sub woofer should be enough for your hall. Investing in good quality speakers for the fronts would be better than more speakers of the same value.

The surround channel is where you will get a better effect by adding more speakers for a large hall. So add surround speaker to the right, left and rear walls but do not install any speakers overhead (beam) as it might spoil the surround sound field.

Thats is not correct way.When you use preouts,you should not use the AVR amp,else system may get unstable(yamaha says same).

There is no general rule that says that you should not use the AVR amp and pre outs at the same time. If a AVR says that you should not use this set up then it is means that it is not not designed to be used in this way. The Onkyo models that he mentioned do not have any problem, I think all Onkyo models do not have any problem

 

[manoj.p]

Rather than complicating things with 2 AVR's, you need speakers with constant beam directivity, like either arrays or Horn/Waveguide speakers. These will maintain the sound levels to longer area and distance, compared to tweeter based speakers. Another useful thing with horn based speakers is that the sound area is determined by horn are and controlled in that region. This helps is reducing the reflections off the walls, if the speakers are tilted away from walls.

If you have trouble finding horn based home theater speakers, look for PA speakers. These are meant to be used in open spaces/big halls.

 

[spirovious]

There is no general rule that says that you should not use the AVR amp and pre outs at the same time. If a AVR says that you should not use this set up then it is means that it is not not designed to be used in this way. The Onkyo models that he mentioned do not have any problem, I think all Onkyo models do not have any problem

Yamaha manual mentions it not to connect them/both at the same time.

 

[Nishanth]

Yamaha manual mentions it not to connect them/both at the same time.

As I said earlier certain models like your AVR say that you should use both at the same time, this may be due to the fact that the AVR is not designed to work in this way. But the Onkyo AVR does not have any problem while working in this set up and also Onkyo says that you can use both the Pre outs and the AVR amp at the same time.

 

[kittu8_in2002]

great friends
now i need ur help........
So if you where in my place what configuration will you go with
if possible share the prices

everyone's invited for there opinion:yahoo:

 

[Nishanth]

great friends
now i need ur help........
So if you where in my place what configuration will you go with
if possible share the prices

everyone's invited for there opinion:yahoo:

It is difficult to suggest a set up without knowing your budget, also it would be better if you can post some pics of the hall where your going to install or at least the dimensions of the hall

 

[kittu8_in2002]

Budget is 12lakhs Dimensions are 23 ft x 60 ft x 15 ft ( W X L X H )

 

[kittu8_in2002]

I mean max is 12 or you can take it to be 9 lakhs max

 

[Nishanth]

With such a large hall and with your budget I would recommend you to look at some pro audio systems. When I say pro audio I mean speakers and amps of the type that are used in small multiplex theatres. You can look at JBL pro audio speakers like their 3000 series. A system like this will need a professional installer to install and calibrate the system. I would suggest you to contact some pro audio installers and see if they can offer you some thing that fits your budget.

Why don't you start a new thead in the "What Should I Buy" section mentioning your budget and needs ? I am sure you will get more suggestions over there.