Panasonic v/s Rest of the World

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Hi Guys,

I have been going thru LED demos recently for my purchase. What I have come across is Panasonic displays more true colors than the other LEDs from Sony, Samsung or LG. The skin colors appear more skinny on Panasonic and I find them more reddish on other LEDs......
Any views here or recommended readings available for buying the LED?
 
Sony colors are over saturated. Samsung colors are over saturated + overly warm. Panasonic in comparison is indeed more neutral.

Sony and Samsung are riding on the popular wave. *Most* people like saturate colors and tones. So they are catering to the popular category.

Note: the above is a general opinion and may not hold true for all models from these companies.
 
Sony colors are over saturated. Samsung colors are over saturated + overly warm. Panasonic in comparison is indeed more neutral.

Sony and Samsung are riding on the popular wave. *Most* people like saturate colors and tones. So they are catering to the popular category.

Note: the above is a general opinion and may not hold true for all models from these companies.

That is exactly why you have settings, one needs to calibrate the television before jumping into a conclusion, if Sony and Samsung sets were over saturated and they never provided an option for changing the settings then i would be worried.

Also never come to a conclusion by looking at a television at the store, the store settings not even on the same planet of accuracy.

As for the OP, if Panasonic floats your boat then you should go for it, i personally never have been a fan of sony televisions but some models of Sony and most of Panasonic use IPS panels, IPS panels might offer more brightness but they are not all that good in black level so the contrast ratio will take a hit and you might notice this on long term ownership while viewing dark or low light scenes. Samsung uses SPVA which has better contrast compared to IPS, i think Samsung also uses panels form AUO.
 
That is exactly why you have settings, one needs to calibrate the television before jumping into a conclusion, if Sony and Samsung sets were over saturated and they never provided an option for changing the settings then i would be worried.

Are you suggesting that the default processing of different manufacturers is inconsequential and after calibration all TVs look the same?
 
Are you suggesting that the default processing of different manufacturers is inconsequential and after calibration all TVs look the same?
Almost! If you are kept in a dark room with sony phillips lg samsung pana all calibrated and no brands showing you may not be able to make out which tv is which brand.
 
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Rockfella, sorry, but what I understand is all the LEDs are same irrespective of their brand? Are there no parameters to check before buying?
 
Are you suggesting that the default processing of different manufacturers is inconsequential and after calibration all TVs look the same?

Where am i suggesting that?

I am suggesting that a television needs to be calibrated before drawing conclusions.

default processing is a wrong term to associate with show room picture quality, it is more like default settings or the setting showroom chooses to display.

Different manufacturers indeed do different processing but to understand the processing power of a particular manufacturer the television needs to setup properly and calibrated properly.

After proper calibration Panasonic LCD's don't measure that well compared to Samsung or even Sony for that matter.

LED TV Reviews – Best LED TVs by Samsung, LG, etc.
 
I recently bought Panasonic Viera 42AS610D and I'm very much satisfied with it's performance....it supports external HDD too.....
 
Where am i suggesting that?

I am suggesting that a television needs to be calibrated before drawing conclusions.

75+% buyers don't know how to calibrate, or may have never even heard of it. Less than 1-2% people do that. In such a case, the default processing (yes I am again using the term processing) of the manufacturer becomes a critical criteria.


default processing is a wrong term to associate with show room picture quality, it is more like default settings or the setting showroom chooses to display.

Processing is what happens inside. Setting is what manufacturer provides as a tweakable parameter. A manufacturer can't provide settings unless those settings can be utilized through processing. If there was no processing there will be no setting.

For people who look at effect it's setting, for people who look at cause it's processing. However, I am not at all surprised by your calling the term "wrong". After all they say, ignorance is bliss.

BTW, *most* showrooms keep *most* TVs at default "setting". In "most" cases, first question they get asked is "Are both these TVs at default settings?" So, if customers want to see the TVs at their default "settings" then be it. They leave it there. They stand to gain nothing by making picture of any specific model look better than other (except for exceptional circumstances such as if it's a last piece from last year's stock that they are trying to get rid of).
 
Owner of LG LA 47LA6910 & extremely satisfied, after checking Sony & Samsung, the so called blacks is just a delusion to me.
 
Sharp LEDs present truest colors next to Panasonic plasmas.
I personally find the IPS panels hopeless in contrast. So no Panasonic LED for me though they produce down to earth colors compared to Samsung/sony.

Samsung has one of the most artificial color scheme followed by LG.
 
So are the colors also person specific taste, like the sound for music system? Is there no standard definition of how red a red should look on Television?. #justasking
 
To my eyes Panasonic seems to have more natural colours whereas Samsung seems overly bright and unnatural.

I have been using 2 Panasonic and 1 Samsung TVs for the past few years and I feel much more comfortable watching the Pannys over a longer period.

But this is subjective, someone else may find the Samsung colours more appealing.
 
Processing is what happens inside. Setting is what manufacturer provides as a tweakable parameter. A manufacturer can't provide settings unless those settings can be utilized through processing. If there was no processing there will be no setting.

For people who look at effect it's setting, for people who look at cause it's processing. However, I am not at all surprised by your calling the term "wrong". After all they say, ignorance is bliss.



Thanks for educating me about processing because until i read your post i was totally unaware that that processing actually happens inside:)

You are getting it wrong again, my post points that the picture you see in a showroom is more to do with the showroom settings and less to do with the actual processing,of course picture processing is has to do the final job of whatever setting changes the consumer makes in a television and this is well known, so before calling me ignorant and try and read my post again.



BTW, *most* showrooms keep *most* TVs at default "setting". In "most" cases, first question they get asked is "Are both these TVs at default settings?" So, if customers want to see the TVs at their default "settings" then be it. They leave it there. They stand to gain nothing by making picture of any specific model look better than other (except for exceptional circumstances such as if it's a last piece from last year's stock that they are trying to get rid of).

most showrooms i have seen have most parameters set more than half way up and the contrast is always in 90% plus, i do visit a lot of showroom with my friends when they ask me to select a television for them so i have very rarely come across showrooms which keep televisions at their default settings.

Even the out of the box settings for all most all LCD's are totally bad, here what a reviewer says about probably one of the best LCD Panasonic has produced to date which does not use the IPS panel(most of the Panasonic LCD's i have seen here in India use this panel) rather it uses VA LCD panels, which is the similar tech like SPVA used by Samsung for ages.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1402040248

The out-of-box picture quality is not very impressive, but Panasonic has not gone to the same extremes as some other TV makers. Colors are generally oversaturated, but the color temperature is not far from our target value. We measured brightness to 261 cd/m2 in the Normal profile, which is the highest AS600 can go.


http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1229341472


When you say they stand no gain it shows how much you are aware of how showrooms work in india, not all the brands have the same profit margin, some have more and some less, showrooms always try and push brands which is the most friendly with the showroom and which offers the most profit margin, also there are always reps of that particular brand in the showroom(for medium and large showroom) who setup the televisions and i have seen them market their brands as the best while only talking negative about the others, most consumer will never be able to identify the rep if he belongs to a particular brand and they simply think he is just the store guy.

Panasonic does make excellent plasma's but their LCD's are sub par, its quite simple, the basic panel has to be right but Panasonic has got it wrong hence they are never the reference LCD's in any LCD shoot out where experts calibrate the LCD's measure them and report.May be this will change in the future as panasonic has started shift to LCD from plasma and this only means their LCD are going to a lot better in time.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lcd-flat-panel-displays/
 
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IMHO, Sharp's and Panasonic's colours certainly seem a lot more natural than SONY. But the talk of the reviewers' town is SONY's Trilumnous Color (a.k.a. Quantum Dot display). It's being claimed by reviewers that SONY's KDL-55X9005A (along with the latest 55X9005B) is the best UHD-LED TV ever made with the finest colours ever rendered on a screen, while some others claim that its Samsung counterpart has superior video processing. Here is a testifying review ...

Sony Bravia X9 (KD-55X9005A): Review

Any thoughts ??
 
Samsung has one of the most artificial color scheme followed by LG.

LG's colours are most artificial ? Sorry but I totally disagree with this statement.

Their IPS panels produce some of the most natural of TVs' colours that I've come across, unlike the enriched colours of SONY and Samsung. However, I feel LG's and SHARP's colours are raw unlike Panasonic's smooth-to-the-eyes colours.

 
I'm using the 50DT60 for the past couple of months and I've to say that I'm really impressed with it's PQ. But dark scenes suck big time when you're not watching 1080p movies or something of high quality. Now, I use it with my PC and not as TV so can't say how it fares as TV.

Recently, a friend of mine bought a Samsung 42" LED and to tell you the truth, the same 1080p 300 : Rise of an Empire looked more appealing on the Panasonic than on the Samsung. We tried different settings but could never get that PQ as the Pana produced. Then again, they used different tone on 300 movies. We tried The Monuments Men and still Panasonic looked more natural while the Samsung looked little oversaturated even after doing the (almost) right settings.
 

IMHO, Sharp's and Panasonic's colours certainly seem a lot more natural than SONY. But the talk of the reviewers' town is SONY's Trilumnous Color (a.k.a. Quantum Dot display). It's being claimed by reviewers that SONY's KDL-55X9005A (along with the latest 55X9005B) is the best UHD-LED TV ever made with the finest colours ever rendered on a screen, while some others claim that its Samsung counterpart has superior video processing. Here is a testifying review ...

Sony Bravia X9 (KD-55X9005A): Review

Any thoughts ??

royalanalog, buddy why do you want to spend so much money on a TV. Just buy any TV. Like experts on Internet say, they all look the same after calibration :yahoo:

LG's colours are most artificial ? Sorry but I totally disagree with this statement.

Their IPS panels produce some of the most natural of TVs' colours that I've come across, unlike the enriched colours of SONY and Samsung. However, I feel LG's and SHARP's colours are raw unlike Panasonic's smooth-to-the-eyes colours.


The difference is primarily caused by different kind of processing they employ (oops, I again used the term processing). Anyway, we can always blame it on the showroom guys :p

Recently, a friend of mine bought a Samsung 42" LED and to tell you the truth, the same 1080p 300 : Rise of an Empire looked more appealing on the Panasonic than on the Samsung. We tried different settings but could never get that PQ as the Pana produced.
... ... ...

Samsung looked little oversaturated even after doing the (almost) right settings.

My experience too. No matter what I do on my Samsung, the colors are still not natural. They are either warm, or they shift from their actual hue.
 
royalanalog, buddy why do you want to spend so much money on a TV. Just buy any TV. Like experts on Internet say, they all look the same after calibration :yahoo:

The difference is primarily caused by different kind of processing they employ (oops, I again used the term processing). Anyway, we can always blame it on the showroom guys :p

My experience too. No matter what I do on my Samsung, the colors are still not natural. They are either warm, or they shift from their actual hue.

You still seem ignorant and not wanting to understand what i clearly put forth in my post, rather you keep making the same statement which is actually your assumption and not my post.

The bold part clearly explains how hard you try hard to be ignorant over and over again and also how you try to post some claims with zero backing. Have you measured the out put when you say you are unable to control the temperature and hue what is the reading you get? when you say natural i am not sure what you mean by that and what sort of delta are we talking about here?

What is the model number of your television? what is the setting? can you give that info here before saying that your television is warm no matter what you try, because you cannot control the color temperature or hue in a television then either the panel is broke,your television's processing chip is a dud or you do not know how to change settings in a television.

It is so easy to say something is bad here in a forum and it only looks like false claim specially when the measurements and numbers everywhere says the opposite.
 
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