Query on speaker-amplifier impedance matching.

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I have few queries on speaker and amplifier matching:

Is it important or rather mandatory to match both the impedance? If so why? If one doesnt follow this is there any chance that there may cause some damage in either of the machine or the SQ will not be at its optimum.



My second querry is :

Everywhere I see amps with 4 or 8 ohms rating. Now I dont understand if a speaker is rated @ say 6ohms then what will be output of the amplifier.



Another query:

Am I correct if I say it is safe to play amps having higher rms with speakers having less or equal rms, so that in long run speakers are not damaged.



I have asked quite a few questions, may sound childish but have been bugging me for a long time.If anyone can explain me in laymans language I would be happy coz I am no science whiz.
 
Most amplifiers/receivers and speakers that are available for home systems are all going to be roughly compatible with each other

The main danger is that speakers with a low impedance (say 4 ohms) can put a strain on the power supply of an amplifier if the amplifier isn't designed to handle a low impedance.
Obviously the ideal match here is to get the rated watts per channel of the amplifier to match the rated power handling of the speakers

Your AV receiver has essentially zero output impedance (0 ohms) so you do not have to match the impedance of your amplifier to the speakers. The amplifier does not expect to "see" speakers of given impedance and you can connect speakers with different impedances (8 ohms, 6 ohms, 4 ohms) to an AV receiver with no negative effects so long as the impedance of any of your speakers doesn't go below 4 ohms. If speaker impedance is too low, too much current will run through the AV receiver's output transistors, causing the receiver to overheat and shut down. If you get 4-ohm speakers, make sure your AV receiver is able to drive them easily without overheating. Some brands of AV receivers have no problems driving 4-ohm speakers, others cannot.
 
Ok, now if the RMS of the amp is less than that of the speakers, is that good for both the machine? Also if siituation is reversed what then? Thanks a ton Manindra. :)
 
even if the RMS is less than that of the speakers specs but the sensitivity is good it will be able to drive the speakers well..

for ex : tube amps with output of 5w pe channel easily drive speakers with senstivity of 91db and above....

if sensitivity below 89 you would need more power...

you can easily match 6 ohm speakers with 8 ohm amp..

if you can post the vintage amp model and the speakers you plan to connect it with , members will be able to advice you correctly..
 
Some facts on Speaker Impedence and Amp ratings. ( Itallics -quoted info gleaned from Internet)


1) In case you connect a speaker with lower impedance to an amplifier with higher impedance, the speaker will ask for more power from the amplifier. But because the amplifier has a higher impedance rating it will be more resistant to provide power to the speakers. As a result, the amplifier will end up working more than what it is designed to do and hence be prone to burn out.

2) a) Higher Impedance Amplifier + Lower Impedance Speaker = Excess Workout For The Amp To Provide The Power b) Lower Impedance Amplifier + Higher Impedance Speaker = Excess Inflow Of Power To The Speaker

Ex: For a speaker power rating of 50W to 150W, the best operating level of the speakers will be around 100W. So the best amplifier for them would be the one with power output of 110W.

However I do not see an issue in connecting 6 Ohm speakers to an 8 Ohm Amp.
But for a 4 Ohm speaker you will need 4 Ohm Amp. The speaker Impedence is never a constant and keeps changing dynamically based on teh music being played/ Coil movement
 
Currently I have Norge 1515+ Old Sony BS with 6 ohms rating & 50W rms per speaker. Plays ok but that sound imaging is not there, like something missing.mostly I play western rocks such as dream theatre, dire strait, scorpions, recently coke studio. And sometimes new age genres. My taste in experience is balanced like acoustics and mid should be crisp and clear with no distortion at the Treble and a blended bass. Source is PC Flacs,wavs & mp3.I have noticed that the highs gets distorted @ high volumes and becomes ear-fatigue. Therefore wanting to change my amplifier ti Technics SU Z2. I know speakers are not good but I am on a tight budget, eventually upgrade my speakers.

Also very recently a problem is occuring:

A crackling or buzzing sound comes whenever I connect the 3.5mm RCA cable to my laptop or Pc jack, if I rotate the 3.5mm jack at the laptop/pc end then it goes to normal playing music but again starts that same annoying noise after a while. I dont understand why?



Thanks again for all ur feedback.
 
even if the RMS is less than that of the speakers specs but the sensitivity is good it will be able to drive the speakers well..

for ex : tube amps with output of 5w pe channel easily drive speakers with senstivity of 91db and above....

if sensitivity below 89 you would need more power...

you can easily match 6 ohm speakers with 8 ohm amp..

if you can post the vintage amp model and the speakers you plan to connect it with , members will be able to advice you correctly..

Hi one Noob Question, Why does the Manufactures make less DB speakers? they could throw out all the speakers in 90 +Db's right. Just wondering the business behind it. As even a topping amp could drive a big FS's with High DB's:ohyeah:
 
I have few queries on speaker and amplifier matching:

Is it important or rather mandatory to match both the impedance? If so why? If one doesnt follow this is there any chance that there may cause some damage in either of the machine or the SQ will not be at its optimum.



My second querry is :

Everywhere I see amps with 4 or 8 ohms rating. Now I dont understand if a speaker is rated @ say 6ohms then what will be output of the amplifier.



Another query:

Am I correct if I say it is safe to play amps having higher rms with speakers having less or equal rms, so that in long run speakers are not damaged.



I have asked quite a few questions, may sound childish but have been bugging me for a long time.If anyone can explain me in laymans language I would be happy coz I am no science whiz.

An amp is a power source, just like the electricity supply to your house. If you plug in a device with very little resistance (impedance), it will suck in more current (and hence power and hence heat) than your power supply can handle. This can easily cause a fire or damage the device you have plugged in, and so this is usually protected by a fuse or circuit breaker.

So just to be clear, an amp is not 6 ohms or 8 ohms or whatever. It is as meaningless as saying that your electrical power supply is 8 ohms.

What is really meant by the statement is that your power amp is capable of supplying power to a device (your speakers) whose resistance should not go below 6 ohms or 8 ohms. Anything lower is considered unsafe.

The power delivered by the amp to the speaker is normally controlled by the volume knob - meaning, you can easily connect a 100 watt speaker to a 1000 watt amp - but you have to be careful to keep the volume at reasonable levels (obviously). Similarly, you can safely plug in a 40 watt bulb to your electrical mains without fearing that the bulb will blow up.

The main difference between speakers and something like a bulb is that in almost all cases, speaker resistance varies by a huge margin when it is trying to reproduce music at different frequencies. So most often, what happens is that the speaker resistance dips below the safe level of the amp and it ends up sucking more current and hence more power from the amp than is considered safe for the amp. This causes the amp to "clip" and it sends a distorted signal to the speaker which can easily damage the drivers of the speaker.

That's why you will see that decent quality amps will have an oversized power supply and will often also have large capacitor banks that can store extra current so that they can deliver that current to the speakers when needed.

The speaker impedance ratings are also usually "nominal" meaning it is only approximate. The actual impedance can go lower than nominal which is why it is usually safer to go for an amp with a higher wattage (or that is capable of driving a lower impedance load) than the speaker.

The general rule of thumb seems to be to use an amplifier that has 1.5 times the power rating of the speaker. I was using an amp that is capable of supplying 125W for an 8ohm load and 200W for an 4ohm load. This supplied my speakers that are rated at 120W at 4ohms.

Take a look at the impedance chart of my speakers. It swings like a monkey on a tree, and in fact dips to 3.6 ohms at about 150-300Hz (despite being rated at 4 ohms)!

Although I had an amp that had almost double the wattage of the speakers, I never faced any issues. Of course I was also careful to never crank the volume all the way to the maximum! In fact, I felt that my amp has sufficient power to properly control the speakers and the sound quality was better as a result.

Now, I don't know how this works for tube amps as they often seem to drive power hungry speakers despite having miniscule power ratings.

My guess is that unlike Class AB power amps, they have much better current supply that allows them to supply short bursts of very high current. But that's just a lay person's guess and my guesses have been proving wrong of late :o
 
even if the RMS is less than that of the speakers specs but the sensitivity is good it will be able to drive the speakers well..





for ex : tube amps with output of 5w pe channel easily drive speakers with senstivity of 91db and above....





if sensitivity below 89 you would need more power...





you can easily match 6 ohm speakers with 8 ohm amp..





if you can post the vintage amp model and the speakers you plan to connect it with , members will be able to advice you correctly..






Currently I have Norge 1515+ Old Sony BS with 6 ohms rating & 50W rms per speaker. Plays ok but that sound imaging is not there, like something missing.mostly I play western rocks such as dream theatre, dire strait, scorpions, recently coke studio. And sometimes new age genres. My taste in experience is balanced like acoustics and mid should be crisp and clear with no distortion at the Treble and a blended bass. Source is PC Flacs,wavs & mp3.I have noticed that the highs gets distorted @ high volumes and becomes ear-fatigue. Therefore wanting to change my amplifier ti Technics SU Z2. I know speakers are not good but I am on a tight budget, eventually upgrade my speakers.



Also very recently a problem is occuring:



A crackling or buzzing sound comes whenever I connect the 3.5mm RCA cable to my laptop or Pc jack, if I rotate the 3.5mm jack at the laptop/pc end then it goes to normal playing music but again starts that same annoying noise after a while. I dont understand why?
 
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