Stereo set up for Indian classical..Budget 1 Lakh

Hi mrsingh,

For your room setup and music preference I would suggest NAD 326 BEE with PSB Image B6 BS combo as they will sound good on vocals and also give a very fatigue free laid back sound which can be listened for hours together. Also invest in some good speaker wires and speaker stands.

Just my Rs.2/-

N.Murali

Hi Murali,

Thanks for the suggestion, I will surely give them a try. I will have to figure which dealer gives a demo of PSBs in Mumbai.

Hi, if you really want to listen quality music, first you need to select best possible source with in your budget, dvd player is a bad choice for music listening, even though it can play, it wont sound anywhere near as good as a dedicated cd player. So buy a good Audio Cd player first and then split the remaining budget between amp and speakers. I made the same mistake before I realised the difference between a dvd player playing CD and dedicated CD player

Cheers,
Sunder.

Hi Sundar, I am open to that idea, its just that I am trying to put together the Speakers an Amp first. A lot of my music is Digital so a good DAC is required but if I feel the need I will surely go for a CD player as well.

You probably mean Dali Ikon 2, as Ikon 6 is a floor-stander.

A tube amp will be a great company to the Ikon 2 as they are highly sensitive. If you use a tube amp, you may miss two things - some low end grunt and ear-splitting volume levels. But for 90% of your listening habits (as per your description) you will have plenty loudness to satisfy you in a small to medium room.


Dear Ranjit,

You are right, it was a mistake from me. I have edited my post.

They were not Ikon 6, they were Dali Ikon 1.

I don't remember ever listening to high volumes so that shouldn't be an issue for tube amps. Honestly I am highly inclined towards them. Have to listen to both of them in detail and decide.



Dear Murali

I still have the nad 325 and now I use a tube. a SS amp in this budget will not hold a candle to a tube amp. Even with its merits of laid back sound, other things will be missing.



If the sensitivity is 91db or whereabouts, I think a 5 to 9watt tube amp will do great for loud music as well.

I would recommend the OP listen and audition the Lyrita setup above all else then decide. Do remember to play lively music and note if the pace results in unconscious foot tapping. Because in everything else it is sure to exceed your expectation, but speaking in general a good tube amp with all its tonal qualities and great frequency extension may not guarantee liveliness.

I think my 8.5W tube will drive the low-end of a speaker pretty well if the speaker is capable of it and has the right sensitivity and efficiency.


--G0bble

Hi Gobble,

I am trying to listen to Lyrita - They have 2 Amps suitable for me are 3 watt and a 10 watt pushpull. If I decide to buy their single driver FS speaker Harmony One, the 3 watt 2A3 SET will go along and if I buy a BS from the market a 10 watt Integre two will go with it.

Good point about liveliness, I will keep that in mind while auditioning it.

mrsingh,

you must try the Transmission Line bookshelf ( there are posts and reviews of hari Iyers Bookshelf variety ). Since you live in Mumbai.. i am sure you can link up and organize a demo at your place / amplifier dealers place with this bookshelf.

before you make up your mind. Please do give this a serious listen. having experienced it in my home.. i think this will do very well with the genres you mentioned and besides it will be cheaper too.

The FM's have mentioned some good points regarding tube amps and with my experience of tube amps being rather limited.. i will not comment except to say that i heard tube amp at FM Jaibirs place and i think it will go well with the TL Bookshelf mentioned.

try and decide..

regards,
mpw
Mumbai

+1 to what mpw states above .....

Your music choice is practically the same as mine, and I possess a TL floorstander made by Hari Iyer. There is a whole thread dedicated to it here. For your room size, without a doubt, it has to be a BS one of which was recently tried out ... a thread on that too is present.

Since you are in Mumbai, do audition the TL BS speakers and try compare its SQ with the live concerts.

have a look at PSB B5 and B6. For your room size and music u are after they are great.
They will save you some cash.


Thanks Guys,

Hari Iyer's ATL and PSBs are on now my audition list. Will surely give them a serious ear.



Thanks Kittu,

I have never heard about these speakers.

Do you think they are really good for the kind of Music I listen to , If yet I will give them a trial.

Since your inclination is towards classical. You can try Acoustic Portrait (AP). Siva is known for his perfection for classical. I own AP and have heard his reference system. Dhrupad by Gundecha brothers comes alive on his reference system.

There are two numbers AP pre-powers up for grabs in this Forum, both @ 48K ... true VFM buys, IMO. Get one of these, and procure TL floorstanders from Hari .... a total investment of little over a lac ........ and you are set for a very long time!

Yes the designer uses HM as reference music.

Perfect chance opportunity to own at low cost a system optimzed for Hindustani! I second that whole heartedly!

--G0bble

Hi Gobble, Amitkeerti, Avidyarthi,

This is my first purchase of a stereo setup and I don't know much about amps. I want to listen and decide. AP seems to be a good amp for my kind of music but I would want to audition it. AP office and both the sellers are based out of Mumbai and I have no clue how to audition them. Also, for one of the sellers the price of Preamp+Power amp is 1.3 Lakh (I am assuming I will have to buy both)

http://www.hifivision.com/sale-owner/28129-acoustic-portrait-pm-1-preamp-cpa-3-power-amplifier.html

http://www.hifivision.com/sale-owner/29203-accoustic-portrait-pre-power-amp.html

Please suggest?
 
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1.3L one is sold .... the others are 48K for both pre-power.
Yes, that effort for outstation auditioning is yours ... to-be audiophiles are known to do all these. Bare necessities!
 
Dear Mr Singh

For the said kind of budget, listening preferences and room size, this is what I'd (recommend to) go in for :-

OPTION 1

*A pair of Sonodyne SM100 AK professional active studio monitors for about 60k.
Welcome To Sonodyne
*A mid level DAC to play my 750 GB plus FLAC/ALAC collection
*A dedicated CDP for my CD collection(I would rather buy a classic pre-owned Pioneer, Kenwood, Technics, Sony or the like rather for max 5-6k than new especially since one would go in for a standalone DAC for sure)

AND/OR THIS

Dune HD Media Player - Dune HD Max | Dune HD
(for max future-proofing & to be used with that mid-level DAC. Do note that this is one of the few media players around that has a 7.1 analog out and with this you won't ever need to buy an AVR, I hate AVRs, those stupid things, they don't know themselves what they are doing:lol::lol::lol:. So its better to go in for a separate player and later, when I have to upgrade for video, I would go in for a pair of smaller Sonodyne SM-50AK (with silk dome tweeters)
Welcome To Sonodyne
or
SM-50AKm (with metal dome tweeters)
Welcome To Sonodyne
studio monitors for the rear satellites and one more studio monitor preferably SM100AK for the centre channel. Also, I would go in for a small subwoofer ie not larger than 10" driver).

This is the most space friendly option that I know of for this room size as one will not have to go in for separate amplifiers. All these monitors mentioned have not one but two amps per speaker ie a separate one for the woofer and another one for the tweeter.

So you get the benefits of bi-amplification, active crossover, space-saving (by way of no amp/amp rack(s)) and wall-mounting (by way of being front-ported, therefore precluding speaker stands to knock over or dodge your way through in a 10'x12' room. Do keep in mind that any kind of rear-ported/slotted speaker for this room size would lead to sure-shot aural disappointment, therefore it is a must to go in for front-ported or sealed speakers. The latter will have to augmented for bass with a subwoofer, therefore front-ported it is), not to mention excellent sound quality.


The more experienced and pragmatic FMS here will agree that once you go in for active crossovers for hitching up a bi-amped/tri-amped setup, there is no going back to passive XOs. You cannot get better sound at this price for a small room with space-saving included than this option.

OPTION 2
Substitute the Sonodyne active monitors in Option 1 with Hari Iyer's TL speakers for stereo('auditionable' and available in Mumbai.)
and
go in for a Pulz RS-100+RS-250 combo OR a Norge pre-power amp combo to drive those (both can be made-to-order in Mumbai).

OPTION 3
Depending on the size of Hari Iyer's bookshelf TL speakers(I very much doubt whether his current models are wall-mountable) in relation to the other items in your room (after all, people too have to move around, NO?:D:D:D), you can also consider going in for a Lithos Audio Noa1 - 2.1 setup here
noa1.

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Contrary to popular belief and their appearance, these are very serious speakers for small rooms especially when coupled with the right amps. I have a pair of these wall-mounted (are stand-mountale as well), that I use as rear satellites for 5.1 video.
(I don't need 7.1 as there are hardly any movies available encoded for 7.1 audio channels and my living room is 25'x12' with no suitable place available for side surrounds),
Nevertheless, I do love to listen to these in stereo mode quite often by changing connections and turning my chair around. These are hooked up to my Pulz RS250 and sound wonderful at about 19-20k per pair incl imported Vogel's wall-mounts. They come with a slim tallish passive subwoofer with a relatively smaller footprint thats suitable for smaller rooms. Later when you want to upgrade for 5.1 video, you can go in for another Noa1 - 2.1 setup for the rears. The passive sub is very sturdy and very suitable for use as a bedside table to keep books and magazines upon. So, you can have one sub facing the bed headboard towards one corner and the other one placed diagonally opposite beside the bed headboard. Then in the AV processor settings just set the subwoofer channel to 'OFF', both the front and rear speaker settings to 'LARGE', center speaker settings to 'LARGE' (should you go in for a large front-ported center channel speaker, which is highly recommended as most of the dialogue and some bass effects are handled by the center channel). Believe, you me, with these two passive subs, your bass will be great enough for that room size. Anything more would be overkill for this room size.

Now, for the amps for the upgrade for 5.1 video, you will need three channels ie two stereo amps (preferably power) but with one channel wasted, unless one of the two amps are bridgeable to mono or the center channel, which is a tall order at at least 18 k for something like this. Therefore, I would recommend going in for something like my NAD 906 multi which is essentially a trio of three power stereo amps @30wpc(30 REAL watts, plz note). Each of these three stereo amps are bridgeable to mono, so you can use the 3rd amp for the center speaker in bridged mono mode for the center channel which will of course need a little more power than the rears and maybe even the fronts. This is a very versatile amp wherein you can configure the No of channels you want. In bridged mode, lesser (mono)channels = more wpc compared to stereo mode.
You can read about it and see some pics in this thread that I had commenced on another AV forum here
Tell us about your NEW ACOUSTIC DIMENSION (components))
Earlier, I had stumbled upon it here
NAD 906 Multi 6 Channel Power Amplifier FOR SALE from Karnataka Bangalore Urban @ Adpost.com Classifieds > India > NAD 906 Multi 6 Channel Power Amplifier FOR SALE from Karnataka Bangalore Urban,free,indian,classified ad,classified ads,secondhand,sec
only to realize later that the seller is our own very FM hifipal4all (aka Mr Ramesh Babu of Bangalore) who is very well known for his fair and honest dealings, not to mention that all components that he puts up are in good working condition. He might be able to rig up good components from you as in amps and/or CDPs/DACs. Another such gent is FM HemantWaghe from Tumchi Mumbai. You can PM either of them as per your requirement. But if I were you I would buy speakers new unless they come from someone who I am sure, bought them recently and/or they have hardly been used.

I do realize that you have not evinced the need for a 5.1 AV setup in your initial post but I decided to contribute my two phooti kaudies on the premise that since its a bedroom thats being talked about, one might like to switch to watching a few movies there, as well especially when after a few months, other family members object to a MUSIC-ONLY bedroom.

No matter what you go in for, since you are commencing a fresh journey, always remember this
"The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you.
There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right.
If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed."
--- Robert M Pirsig in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


HOPE THIS HELPS
 

1.3L one is sold .... the others are 48K for both pre-power.
Yes, that effort for outstation auditioning is yours ... to-be audiophiles are known to do all these. Bare necessities!

@MrSingh
That combo is a very good and high quality buy especially for Indian classical music but then, you will need an AV rack. I doubt whether it will be able to beat the price-performance factor of the Sonodyne SM100AK monitors for near-to-mid-field listening at moderate sound levels wrt your room dimensions. Since you will be spending nearly half of your budget on the sterero amp(s) alone, the question to ask yourself is whether you need it at all.

As a pre-power amp combo, it comes strongly recommended for a larger room. But to get a feel of the bi-amping phenomenon with this, you will need another power amp and an active crossover too (which will not only overshoot your budget but will also amount to overkill for your room size). Both these thingies are inbuilt into those Sonodyne monitors. So, you can buy that Dune Max media player for the balance amount(get some relative/friend to lug it for you from UK, its USD 600 there) as you would be spending 60K for two speakers and four amps inbuilt(two per monitor).

There will be plenty of takers for that Acoustic Portrait combo, so you better decide fast. A one year old AP combo will NOT be a problem to sell here on HFV, especially if slightly negotiable. Your call now, mate. Singh is King, after all. May the King choose wisely in light of this again

"The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you.
There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right.
If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed."
--- Robert M Pirsig in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance


Just my two phooti Kaudies here.
HTH

Huge report ..... :) Bandh for Indian ......! ;):D

:):D
Am on leave but stuck in town here due to the Bandh. Will drive down early morn now.
Watch out Dilli:licklips::licklips:
The Third Peg Cometh soon.
:D:cool::cool:
 
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Hi Gobble,

I am trying to listen to Lyrita - They have 2 Amps suitable for me are 3 watt and a 10 watt pushpull. If I decide to buy their single driver FS speaker Harmony One, the 3 watt 2A3 SET will go along and if I buy a BS from the market a 10 watt Integre two will go with it.

Good point about liveliness, I will keep that in mind while auditioning it.

You might save a packet of money if you buy the fostex speaker on sale at 25K from Mumbai and pair it with the Lyrita. It will run very well with a 2watt tube amp.

Just my two phooti Kaudies here.
HTH

:lol::lol::lol:

--G0bble
 
I am trying to listen to Lyrita - They have 2 Amps suitable for me are 3 watt and a 10 watt pushpull. If I decide to buy their single driver FS speaker Harmony One, the 3 watt 2A3 SET will go along and if I buy a BS from the market a 10 watt Integre two will go with it.

I own a Lyrita 2A3. You are welcome to come over for a listen. I have a couple of speakers that can be paired with it: Rethm Saadhana (Lowther based) and Audire IO2 (Fostex based).
 
MrSingh, there are couple of very good speakers that can be had in your budget but the only speaker which is outstanding and can also be driven by an amp in that budget is the Epos M12i. Exceptional speakers for the money, works amazingly with Indian and Western classical, great timing and very good vocals. Amplification:

1. If you want it sweet and simple: Marantz PM8001
2. If you dont mind being a little adventurous: Lyrita Audio DHT preamp + Acoustic portrait NJ1 power amp (the same one being sold here http://www.hifivision.com/sale-owner/29203-accoustic-portrait-pre-power-amp.html).

The Epos + Lyrita + AP combo is best I have heard in under 1 Lakh and for sheer musicality, immediacy and foot tapping enjoyment, this is better than many much more expensive systems out there. Just budget for a decent Marantz or Arcam CD player to go with.
 
Hi All,

I had a serious day of auditioning today, was determined to do it despite the visarjan traffic.

Session 1) I stay in Andheri and traveled to Thane for a demo at Hari Iyer's house.

He was working on a paper cone BS and was kind enough to quickly put it together for a demo, but the demo was not productive as the phasing got mixedup. He suggested to listen to his Kevlar cone speakers for my kind of music.

Since he has recently installed one pair for a customer in Delhi, I will try to listen to the same during my trip to Delhi next week.

session 2

Next stop was Mankhurd, Viren of Lyrita Audio connected me to a customer of his in Mumbai who has a harmony one speakers and a 2A3 amp.

Vocals were brilliant on harmony One and Nusrat fateh ali khan was coming out beautifully well but The set up disappointed me on strings based instruments specially Sitar. I played some Shujaat khaan and some Prem Joshua Sita fusion and it was a little too mellow for the instrument. Maybe single drivers are not for me...


Session 3

Next stop was Jaibeer's house in Churchgate, I wanted to check out his Audire IO2s for purchase. We played the same with a Lyrita 2A3 amp and I became clear that single drivers are not for me. The same issue of good vocals but mellow strings.

All this while we were listening to his IO2s, I was eyeing his other stereo setup with big speakers and amps. He was kind enough to let me check out that system and what a sound it had. For the first time ever I heard artists as they sound in a live concert. He has a Rethm speaker, preamp and power amp powered by a solid DAC. We kept toying with his system for over an hour and he educated me so much about stereo technologies and products.

I loved Horn speakers but they are so out of my reach. The entry level speakers are Rethm Trishna at 1.25 Lakhs.

Jaibeer also suggested to check out PSB Imagine Mini and Active Monitors from Dynaudio, Sonodyne, Genelac and KRK. I am surely going to check out these in coming few days.

Thanks a ton Jaibeer.

Hey Trittya,

Super thanks man, thats so much of time spent for me..

Dear Mr Singh

For the said kind of budget, listening preferences and room size, this is what I'd (recommend to) go in for :-

OPTION 1

*A pair of Sonodyne SM100 AK professional active studio monitors for about 60k.
Welcome To Sonodyne
*A mid level DAC to play my 750 GB plus FLAC/ALAC collection
*A dedicated CDP for my CD collection(I would rather buy a classic pre-owned Pioneer, Kenwood, Technics, Sony or the like rather for max 5-6k than new especially since one would go in for a standalone DAC for sure)

Sonodyne SM 100 AK Added to the audition list, but I have no clue how to audition them. There dealer in Andheri East is saying they do not stock Professional audio stufff.*

If I buy this I will go for a used CD player and a balanced output DAC.

AND/OR THIS

Dune HD Media Player - Dune HD Max | Dune HD
(for max future-proofing & to be used with that mid-level DAC. Do note that this is one of the few media players around that has a 7.1 analog out and with this you won't ever need to buy an AVR, I hate AVRs, those stupid things, they don't know themselves what they are doing:lol::lol::lol:. So its better to go in for a separate player and later, when I have to upgrade for video, I would go in for a pair of smaller Sonodyne SM-50AK (with silk dome tweeters)
Welcome To Sonodyne
or
SM-50AKm (with metal dome tweeters)
Welcome To Sonodyne
studio monitors for the rear satellites and one more studio monitor preferably SM100AK for the centre channel. Also, I would go in for a small subwoofer ie not larger than 10" driver).

This is the most space friendly option that I know of for this room size as one will not have to go in for separate amplifiers. All these monitors mentioned have not one but two amps per speaker ie a separate one for the woofer and another one for the tweeter.

So you get the benefits of bi-amplification, active crossover, space-saving (by way of no amp/amp rack(s)) and wall-mounting (by way of being front-ported, therefore precluding speaker stands to knock over or dodge your way through in a 10'x12' room. Do keep in mind that any kind of rear-ported/slotted speaker for this room size would lead to sure-shot aural disappointment, therefore it is a must to go in for front-ported or sealed speakers. The latter will have to augmented for bass with a subwoofer, therefore front-ported it is), not to mention excellent sound quality.


The more experienced and pragmatic FMS here will agree that once you go in for active crossovers for hitching up a bi-amped/tri-amped setup, there is no going back to passive XOs. You cannot get better sound at this price for a small room with space-saving included than this option.


My bedroom will be a purely stereo setup, I am planning to have a seperate 5.1 setup for living room which I will start working towards after the stereo. Your suggestions have been duly noted for my 5.1 setup.

OPTION 2
Substitute the Sonodyne active monitors in Option 1 with Hari Iyer's TL speakers for stereo('auditionable' and available in Mumbai.)
and
go in for a Pulz RS-100+RS-250 combo OR a Norge pre-power amp combo to drive those (both can be made-to-order in Mumbai).

Hari Iyer's TL speakers high on the audition list. For the amps, I want to start with an integrated amp. Since it is my first setup I dont want to complicate it too much by having a Pre- power combo. These are first thoughts, but after I decide my speakers I will surely pair them up with some pr-power amps as well and then decide. If I go on that route will surely audition Pulz and Norge.

OPTION 3
Depending on the size of Hari Iyer's bookshelf TL speakers(I very much doubt whether his current models are wall-mountable) in relation to the other items in your room (after all, people too have to move around, NO?:D:D:D), you can also consider going in for a Lithos Audio Noa1 - 2.1 setup here
noa1.

Contrary to popular belief and their appearance, these are very serious speakers for small rooms especially when coupled with the right amps. I have a pair of these wall-mounted (are stand-mountale as well), that I use as rear satellites for 5.1 video.
(I don't need 7.1 as there are hardly any movies available encoded for 7.1 audio channels and my living room is 25'x12' with no suitable place available for side surrounds),
Nevertheless, I do love to listen to these in stereo mode quite often by changing connections and turning my chair around. These are hooked up to my Pulz RS250 and sound wonderful at about 19-20k per pair incl imported Vogel's wall-mounts. They come with a slim tallish passive subwoofer with a relatively smaller footprint thats suitable for smaller rooms. Later when you want to upgrade for 5.1 video, you can go in for another Noa1 - 2.1 setup for the rears. The passive sub is very sturdy and very suitable for use as a bedside table to keep books and magazines upon. So, you can have one sub facing the bed headboard towards one corner and the other one placed diagonally opposite beside the bed headboard. Then in the AV processor settings just set the subwoofer channel to 'OFF', both the front and rear speaker settings to 'LARGE', center speaker settings to 'LARGE' (should you go in for a large front-ported center channel speaker, which is highly recommended as most of the dialogue and some bass effects are handled by the center channel). Believe, you me, with these two passive subs, your bass will be great enough for that room size. Anything more would be overkill for this room size.

Now, for the amps for the upgrade for 5.1 video, you will need three channels ie two stereo amps (preferably power) but with one channel wasted, unless one of the two amps are bridgeable to mono or the center channel, which is a tall order at at least 18 k for something like this. Therefore, I would recommend going in for something like my NAD 906 multi which is essentially a trio of three power stereo amps @30wpc(30 REAL watts, plz note). Each of these three stereo amps are bridgeable to mono, so you can use the 3rd amp for the center speaker in bridged mono mode for the center channel which will of course need a little more power than the rears and maybe even the fronts. This is a very versatile amp wherein you can configure the No of channels you want. In bridged mode, lesser (mono)channels = more wpc compared to stereo mode.
You can read about it and see some pics in this thread that I had commenced on another AV forum here
Tell us about your NEW ACOUSTIC DIMENSION (components))
Earlier, I had stumbled upon it here
NAD 906 Multi 6 Channel Power Amplifier FOR SALE from Karnataka Bangalore Urban @ Adpost.com Classifieds > India > NAD 906 Multi 6 Channel Power Amplifier FOR SALE from Karnataka Bangalore Urban,free,indian,classified ad,classified ads,secondhand,sec
only to realize later that the seller is our own very FM hifipal4all (aka Mr Ramesh Babu of Bangalore) who is very well known for his fair and honest dealings, not to mention that all components that he puts up are in good working condition. He might be able to rig up good components from you as in amps and/or CDPs/DACs. Another such gent is FM Hemant Waghe from Tumchi Mumbai. You can PM either of them as per your requirement. But if I were you I would buy speakers new unless they come from someone who I am sure, bought them recently and/or they have hardly been used.

I do realize that you have not evinced the need for a 5.1 AV setup in your initial post but I decided to contribute my two phooti kaudies on the premise that since its a bedroom thats being talked about, one might like to switch to watching a few movies there, as well especially when after a few months, other family members object to a MUSIC-ONLY bedroom.

Great explaination, This will be really helpful for my next project. After my Music-Only bedroom, my next project is to put together a 5.1 system for my living room. For Music-Only a sub may not go well for my kind of music. But Since Noa is in Mumbai < i will be happy to listen to them before deciding.


@MrSingh
That combo is a very good and high quality buy especially for Indian classical music but then, you will need an AV rack. I doubt whether it will be able to beat the price-performance factor of the Sonodyne SM100AK monitors for near-to-mid-field listening at moderate sound levels wrt your room dimensions. Since you will be spending nearly half of your budget on the sterero amp(s) alone, the question to ask yourself is whether you need it at all.

As a pre-power amp combo, it comes strongly recommended for a larger room. But to get a feel of the bi-amping phenomenon with this, you will need another power amp and an active crossover too (which will not only overshoot your budget but will also amount to overkill for your room size). Both these thingies are inbuilt into those Sonodyne monitors. So, you can buy that Dune Max media player for the balance amount(get some relative/friend to lug it for you from UK, its USD 600 there) as you would be spending 60K for two speakers and four amps inbuilt(two per monitor).

There will be plenty of takers for that Acoustic Portrait combo, so you better decide fast. A one year old AP combo will NOT be a problem to sell here on HFV, especially if slightly negotiable. Your call now, mate. Singh is King, after all. May the King choose wisely in light of this again

"The test of the machine is the satisfaction it gives you.
There isn't any other test. If the machine produces tranquility it's right.
If it disturbs you it's wrong until either the machine or your mind is changed."
--- Robert M Pirsig in Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Buddy, AP combo looks great but I will surely not go for it till the time I have heard it myself. After the recent tour of auditions I realized that the best judge of greatness of a product is your ears. If I am able to audition it somehow in Mumbai or Delhi then only I will consider the same.

I think the first and the most critical decision is that of the speakers, I first need to find something that I like and then figure out amplification and source for the same. What do you say???

Just my two phooti Kaudies here.
HTH

:clapping: :clapping::clapping:


I owe you thanks and a beer, next time you are in Mumbai, Beer is on me..!!

MrSingh, there are couple of very good speakers that can be had in your budget but the only speaker which is outstanding and can also be driven by an amp in that budget is the Epos M12i. Exceptional speakers for the money, works amazingly with Indian and Western classical, great timing and very good vocals. Amplification:

1. If you want it sweet and simple: Marantz PM8001
2. If you dont mind being a little adventurous: Lyrita Audio DHT preamp + Acoustic portrait NJ1 power amp (the same one being sold here http://www.hifivision.com/sale-owner/29203-accoustic-portrait-pre-power-amp.html).

The Epos + Lyrita + AP combo is best I have heard in under 1 Lakh and for sheer musicality, immediacy and foot tapping enjoyment, this is better than many much more expensive systems out there. Just budget for a decent Marantz or Arcam CD player to go with.


Thanks,

Any suggestion on where I can audition EPos in Mumbai/Delhi?
 
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@mrsingh, I have Epos M12i, which I use as front speakers in my 5.1 movie set-up in my bedroom. I use it with a Marantz AVR and they give fatigue free sound.

I have a 15 wpc Leben integrated also, but I use it with Usher BE-718 speaker

I live in Noida and you are welcome
 
My suggestion is to close your eyes and buy Rega brio-R. It is being offered at very competitive price in india and presents a very good option.

It will be very much suitable for the kind of music you have listed. There is myth that whether it can drive bigger speakers, I have attached a link from Musicdirect where the person is speaking high of Rega amplifier.

It can drive upto 1.7 ohms load

http://www.musicdirect.com/documents/pdf/AREGABRIOr_SPHILE.pdf

Once you get the amp go audition and audition....

1) Epos Epic2(with CD5004), it should fall in budget of 1 lac.
2) Usher S520
3) Rega Rs3
4) Quad
5) MS Mezzo1 & 2
6) MA RX2
7) KEF R100
8) MA GX50
9) KEF LS50
10) Paradigm Studio 10
11) Neat Acoustics

My suggested speakers include the following

EPOS EPIC2
Tannoy Revolution Signature DC4
MA GX50
KEF R100


I know its too many choices, it worth auditioning to get your dream system.

Factory direct
Fritz carbon
EB Acoustics

More costly options
  • Proac Tablet anniversary
  • Harbeth
  • Spendor
  • Dynaudio Focus

Later on when you have money, you can add REGA DAC in the chain. I think rega combo will be minimalistic high performing system

Thanks
Venkat
 
Hi All,

Session 3

Next stop was Jaibeer's house in Churchgate, I wanted to check out his Audire IO2s for purchase. We played the same with a Lyrita 2A3 amp and I became clear that single drivers are not for me. The same issue of good vocals but mellow strings.

All this while we were listening to his IO2s, I was eyeing his other stereo setup with big speakers and amps. He was kind enough to let me check out that system and what a sound it had. For the first time ever I heard artists as they sound in a live concert. He has a Rethm speaker, preamp and power amp powered by a solid DAC. We kept toying with his system for over an hour and he educated me so much about stereo technologies and products.

I loved Horn speakers but they are so out of my reach. The entry level speakers are Rethm Trishna at 1.25 Lakhs.

Jaibeer also suggested to check out PSB Imagine Mini and Active Monitors from Dynaudio, Sonodyne, Genelac and KRK. I am surely going to check out these in coming few days.

Thanks a ton Jaibeer.

Thanks for your kind workds mrsingh. It was a pleasure having you over.

For reference, I am putting down details of the two systems heard.

System 1: Nad C515BEE CD player, Lyrita 2A3 amp, Audire IO2 speakers

System 2: Teac VRDS 10 as transport, Behringer SRC2496 as upsampler (experimenting with this), Lampizator level 3 DAC, Rethm Gaanam amplifier, Rethm Saadhana speakers

Later, we switched to using the Behringer as a DAC with the Nad C515 as transport. This combo sounded very good. Surprisingly, the Behringer did better with the Nad as transport than the Teac (its the other way around with the Lampizator). I plan to experiment with this combo a bit more in the coming days. The Behringer sells for around 16k in India. Seems ridiculously good value at that price as long as you can live with the ugly box.
 
... Vocals were brilliant on harmony One and Nusrat fateh ali khan was coming out beautifully well but The set up disappointed me on strings based instruments specially Sitar. I played some Shujaat khaan and some Prem Joshua Sita fusion and it was a little too mellow for the instrument. Maybe single drivers are not for me...

I have read of the same for single drivers where reviewers speak of their inability to deliver the same quality at the ends of the frequency spectrum. Unfortunately, I do not have a first hand experience but your experience seems to confirm the view.

I would recommend Dynaudio and ProAc's tablette series if you are willing to go for pricier models.
 
The Den is next to my office and yesterday afternoon when I was itching to do some auditions I went to their demo room. I must say that they have an interesting set up there are in fact 3 demo rooms for different kind of speakers.

I heard following bookshelves, with a Yamaha AS 1000 Amp and an entry elevl Denon CD player.

Amphion helium 410 Good speakers, a good balanced sound with a decent soud stage. They delivered much better results when they were later paired with a Fatman iTube valve amp. Quoted Price 68K.

System Audio -Jiffy: Really bad speakers, mids and high both were very shrill, I couldn't listen to it for more than a minute.

DLS R50 - Bad Speakers, The sound is boxed. I had some nice live concert recordings but they seemed to be coming out of a box rather than creating a sound stage.

Zingali Zero Both mids and highs were not smooth, but they looked sexy and so was the price. they were priced at 1.4 L


The guy was speaking very highly of PMC speakers but he did not have any BS for a demo, he said I must listen to it later this week. I dont think I will go as the Entry level BS is priced at 1.4 L.

As mentioned above in the last I checked out a cute looking small valve amp called iTube by Fatman and it delivered better results than Yamaha AS 100. this 15 wattt amp was priced at 33K.
 
...

All this while we were listening to his IO2s, I was eyeing his other stereo setup with big speakers and amps. He was kind enough to let me check out that system and what a sound it had. For the first time ever I heard artists as they sound in a live concert. He has a Rethm speaker, preamp and power amp powered by a solid DAC. We kept toying with his system for over an hour and he educated me so much about stereo technologies and products.

I loved Horn speakers but they are so out of my reach. The entry level speakers are Rethm Trishna at 1.25 Lakhs.

...

The Rethms are indeed great for listening to Classical music. A friend of mine has Rethm Saadhanas and they sound simply wonderful. You can listen to them for hours and hours and not feel tired.

I know of a pair of used Rethm Saadhanas that are up for sale in Kochi for a song. Please PM me if you are interested, and I can put you in touch with them.
 
My suggestion is Hari Iyer's Transmission line bookshelf or floorstanding speakers paired with a bright amplifier.

You live in Mumbai so go get one from Hari directly!
 
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hi Corelement,


I went to Hari's house on Sunday, we did a demo of one of his paper cone BS. they didn't work for me. Later in the evening Hari realised that there was a wiring mix up.

Anyways, He feels that I must demo a Kevlar cone BS. He does not have one for demo and will take 3 weeks to finish a speaker for a customer. So I will have to wait

There is no customer in Mumbai who has bought the speakers and but he has one customer in Delhi, In case i travel to Delhi I will audition it.
 
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I have been doing auditions for last 2-3 days

Wanted to check out Sonodyne and were told that their only demo room is in Croma Malad, I went there and found that there is no enclosed space or room for a demo, they just have a section dedicated to sonodyne. It was very irritating as there was continuous noise of shoppers. I tried their BS sonus 1501 V3 and FS 2504 V3 but just could not form an opinion because of the noisy environment and eventually walked out.


Went to Alliance 4 in Goregaon-W and listened to following

Tannoy Mercury V1 BS - My Rating 5 - Boxed sound (As if the music is being played in another corner)

Tannoy Mercury F1 BS - My Rating 6 - Better than V1 but not great.

Wharfedale Diamond 10.2 - My rating 5 - Worst of the lot

Quad BS (forgot the model no) - My rating 6

Tried all of the above with Yamaha AS 300 amp

Around this time I got a call from FM mpw and since he had done the same rounds a month back, he asked me to check out a FS Tannoy mercury V4 with Atoll amp

And what a speaker it was, had decent lows and fantastic mids and highs. Also had very good soundstage. This speaker is 8 on my rating scale. Its my first shortlist . Quoted Price 35 K, Can get in 32 K

Next stop was Boomrang Andheri W -

They also stock amphion helium 410 which I had seen the other day at the den, so gave it another try with Roksan amp and realised I was right the first time around. it has a good imaging and soundstage but has a shrill sound. My Rating 7

Next was Dali Ikon 1 Its a decent BS with almost everything nice, but its not a wow. My rating 7

Then I heard a FS Dali Zensor 5 and this was a very good speaker, kept listening to it for over half an hour and loved it, later Vijay paired it with a Cyrus amp and it became even sweeter. My rating 8 . this is my another shortlist . Quoted Price 44K, Can get in 40 K

Now I am thinking that maybe FS are better for me than BS, as there is no BS that has given me a wow feeling yet.

Yesterday, I had some free time in evening and ProFX is next to office so I went there after office and auditioned following with Denon PMA 200

KEF Q300 BS- Finally a BS I liked, it has very good imaging and ably handles all ranges. It was as good or better than some FS at that price. My rating 8. Quoted price 33K. First BS that makes my shortlist.

KEF Q 500 FS - As good as Q300, I couldn't find much difference other than its ability to deliver slightly better lows. My Rating 8

KEF R 300 BS- at 3 times the price of Q300 it was just marginally better, detailing was better and so were the highs but still too expensive . My rating 8

KEF R 500 FS - Same pros-cons as R 300 .

Focal 807 V BS- It had better imaging than KEFs but were a bit too bright for my taste. My rating 7.5

Focal 826 V FS - They did everything a bit better than 807 including the brightness, but were expensive at 1.18 Lakhs.

I was also told that they have a few pieces of focals left and they do not distribute them anymore. The new distributor is Preet Trading Corporation (I knew them as I dealt with them to buy Focals /JM labs for my car). The ProFX guy said that Preet Trading is selling focals at a much higher price, which could also be due to the price of the dollar.

I didn't share it in my first post but I am also looking to upgrade audio of my TV. Initial thought was to go for a 5.1 HT system but I have decided against it. I will go for a 2 channel setup for my TV. Budget for this setup is 40-50 K including a stereo amp. So now my requirement is 2 stereo setups (1 for music - budget 1 Lakh and 1 for TV /Movies only - budget 50 K).

Rishi from Alliance4 told me that there are no speakers which are bad from music but are good for HT or TV. A musically good speaker sounds great even if used for a HT /TV setup. I tried that for some speakers at his place and boy, he was right. Tannoy Mercury V4 came out as a winner by a huge mile for movies as well. I did all the testing in 2 channel.

I will also keep testing this statement for next few days and will accordingly decide.
 
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Do listen to Dali Ikon 6.
PSB may not match your tase, but while you are at it, you should check out PSB Image T6 towers and B6 / B5 bookshelves. They create some terrific speakers!

You could explore B5 for your TV, but you might run out of budget for amp/receiver.
 
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Keep in mind whatever speaker you get, because your music genre is indian classical, you need a thick/fat mid range and midbass. Otherwise the sound will be very shrill as many indian classicals have a flat dry midrange and midbass due to poor recording, thus needs a slight help from speaker's default mid/bass performance. So Make sure to listen to those tracks only when you audition and not other genres or demo tracks at stores.
 
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