The whole deal has gone damp now. The mug is trying to extort an extra 10K for the Vizio model. @ lake1988 Thanks for the reference. See that is the thing, even though I like the Vizio model by just a tad bit more the present circumstances dictate that going for the LM8600 would be the safer option. But I am not in any hurry, will see if it can be dragged out of the water before giving up.