what brand i can go for!

To answer your questions, and since you appear to be from Kerala, let me point out the business of hotels those pilgrims visiting Sabarimala every season have to eat from. Practically all roadside restaurants and hotels generally serving only fish and meat suddenly turn their boards around when the season starts and cars and buses come in clusters from neighbouring states:

"Swamiye Saranamayyappa. Vegetarian hotel. Lunch ready".

It doesn't matter where the pilgrims eat from. They are all alike and are masters in this process of dual identity. Mr. bharatpure, for his tastes, can buy anything, whether Sony, Onkyo, Pioneer, Denon, Marantz etc etc.

cheers.
murali

murali, i live in kerala, but am from bangalore, though most of my childhood was spent in delhi.

i really do not know much about the hindu way of life and what you are speaking about, so could you rephrase your answers in a manner in which i can understand?

yes, bharatpure can do what he wants and he will not bother about what you or i say about it.

edit - there is really no need for obtuse allegory - you can be blunt and to the point
 
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yeah even i am a bit puzzled about the analogy that murali is drawing, and i am from kerala and know the specific phenomenon that he is referring to.

murali, i live in kerala, but am from bangalore, though most of my childhood was spent in delhi.

i really do not know much about the hindu way of life and what you are speaking about, so could you rephrase your answers in a manner in which i can understand?

yes, bharatpure can do what he wants and he will not bother about what you or i say about it.

edit - there is really no need for obtuse allegory - you can be blunt and to the point
 
yeah even i am a bit puzzled about the analogy that murali is drawing, and i am from kerala and know the specific phenomenon that he is referring to.

Even I am aware of hotels doing this!:D
I think what Murali was trying to tell is hotels serving only fish n meat/ high end audio co's turn around their policy(to strictly veg/ mass market audio) to suit the large chunk of customers flowing in that particular period( veg. customers/ 'thump' music lovers);)
Howzzat? Murali, Suri, Psycho?
 
Bros...where is the OP?

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Murali, there are many companies in that unique situation. In addition to Sony that makes a few exceptional products, there is Teac whose Esoteric products are stuff of legends. But would you recommend a Teac AVR for that reason?

Sony set fire to the world with their Walkman, but Apple walked away with honours as far as hard drive based portable systems go. And in the case of Apple, it was not the product, per se, but iTunes that spelt the doom of other competitors.

Sony is a large company with excellent marketing as well as technical capabilities. But because of the unique business environment of Japan, there are some companies that are allowed to dominate in some segments. And it cannot be denied that Onkyo, Marantz, Yamaha and Denon dominate in the world of multi channel receivers. Sony has got into this market very late and has never been able to get a foothold inspite of the fact that some of the receivers did get some good reviews. And like Pioneer did with their Kuro TVs, Sony may one day exit out of the multi channel receiver market.

Why Pioneer did not come to India could be because they did not see a market large enough to justify the investment. Or, it could be because they do not have a large product range as Sony, LG, Samsung and others have. Even Panasonic's foray into India is half hearted at best. Even in places such as Dubai, companies such as Sony, LG, and Samsung have a much stronger presence.

Sony is a respected company, and I have used a Walkman extensively. Even today I have a Sony three in one that I have been using for ten years in my bedroom. But what we have to understand is the strength of each company in particular product areas or domains. As Suri said, when it comes to professional recording or broadcast system, hardly anyone can touch Sony. But to make a sweeping statement that the Denon and Onkyo are trash is what gets our goat.

And I am sure our friend Mr Pure Bharath was never thinking with the vast canvas that you have in mind.

Cheers

its natural that people associate sony's contribution to only walkman. . .but They were the ones who created cd (and naturally cd players), audio transistors(solid state anything in music), and videotape(betamax ?). Their technological contribution is far note than onkyo and their likes put together. They dreamed of making video and good music at home possible and did just that. Obviously that translated to mass marketing with time.
So sony does have the strength to make good products. They have made good speakers in the past as well. but ended up selling dirt cheap as their were no takers.
with the tag of mass marketing, with no sound signature that can be told to be sony, and already having burnt their fingers- its true they may not be able to connect with audiophiles or compete with other brands
from a sony fan :)
 
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They have made good speakers in the past as well. but ended up selling dirt cheap as their were no takers. from a sonyfan:)

hi jith77,
like you said, sony corp. has many top-class innovations/products but speakers ain't one of them - they have always made yellow bad speakers, and these as an afterthought, because they wanted a sony-made bundled speaker with their excellent televisions - like apple, they want to keep the whole market to themselves - those clever guys at the top at sony would not like it if people bought sony bravias and teamed them with paradigm speakers (cheapens the image, see?), but that is exactly what people are doing.

sony has many problems, and this bitch about their speakers is one of them:)

regds
 
hi jith77,
like you said, sony corp. has many top-class innovations/products but speakers ain't one of them - they have always made yellow bad speakers, and these as an afterthought, because they wanted a sony-made bundled speaker with their excellent televisions - like apple, they want to keep the whole market to themselves - those clever guys at the top at sony would not like it if people bought sony bravias and teamed them with paradigm speakers (cheapens the image, see?), but that is exactly what people are doing.

sony has many problems, and this bitch about their speakers is one of them:)

regds

I wonder whether the following is also "extreme hifi high-end" lie!!!

Sony makes some VERY high quality compression drivers, horns, woofers and systems for use in Japan; TAD, JBL, Onken kind of stuff. Not original but evidently very well made. But how many speaker companies are original anyway? Most of them would be out of business without their Madisound catalog :-)

cheers.
murali
 
I wonder whether the following is also "extreme hifi high-end" lie!!!

Sony makes some VERY high quality compression drivers, horns, woofers and systems for use in Japan; TAD, JBL, Onken kind of stuff. Not original but evidently very well made. But how many speaker companies are original anyway? Most of them would be out of business without their Madisound catalog :-)

cheers.
murali

vandersteen then? - that is why you want to hock them? made a mistake, eh?
 
@ murali,

i searched and this is what i found - (on a another forum)

01-19-2005, 04:10 PM
I'm not aware of any compression/horns being available (either now or in the recent past) from Sony... Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer/TAD/Exclusive all went there but Sony?
Could you enlight us on this?

Google Translate

This page is from a speaker system manufacturer that builds enclosures that can take TAD or Sony drivers. I don't think Sony actually makes any complete systems but just supplies drivers. I believe the left and right pictures on above page shows systems using the Sony bass drivers. Both the Sony compression driver and bass driver use Alnico magnets and are very expensive - $5,000 for the former and $2,500 for the latter. One of my contacts in the studio industry told me he was given a set by Sony to try and convince him to replace the TAD's he normally specs. He said the Sonys sounded horrible.

BTW, if Google's translator can be believed, the single woofer system is called the "Woo-Ha" and the twin woofer system is the "Double Woo-Ha" :D
axel
01-19-2005, 05:12 PM
BTW, if Google's translator can be believed, the single woofer system is called the "Woo-Ha" and the twin woofer system is the "Double Woo-Ha" :D
At least they have humor :lmao:

Sony used horns in a few so-called professional speakers during the mid/late 70s - never heard any but from the looks they really are more like Kabuki dream or a tumultuous firing squad looking at the listener :-)

The mid driver of the speaker on the right of the translated page reminds me of the 4-way SS-GR1 (predecessor of the SS-R10 but not a 'stat, 1989>1994) that had a carved-in-wood massive enclosure with carved out semi-horns "loading" the three upper drivers...
Like the SS-R10, part of the unobtainium/unseen-ium (yum?)

Sony is such a dog at not displaying more often its best gear - so consistent an attitude throughout the decades that it has become a trademark as well :D

so, teach me better.
 
@ murali,

i looked for sony extreme hi-fi high end systems and this is what i found -

Sony | Product Catalog - Pro Audio

and on this site i do not find sony loudspeakers - and i do not find home theatre systems -

so, if sony corp. does make high end loudspeakers - why am i not able to locate and (possibly) buy them?

and hey murali, i am looking for truths, and not lies.:)
 
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Suri Sir

In the past sony used to make enry to mi-d audiophile level systems ,now I am doubtful
A small selection can be seen on THE vintage knob

TVK 1: Sony

Can you give me your opinion on this

Sony TA-N1 on TVK

Also I remember seeing Sony amps with stickers proclaiming Tuned for British market ,which was better.

In fact one dealer offered me TA-F 540 E, I refused but never got any net refreances apart from this leaflet

If you see exclusive UK audiophile is mentioned.

IMHO I never heard about any Good Sony speakers...
 
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