Da-Lite vs. Grandview....?!?

[rana_kirti]

Hi frens,

I'm getting the options of installing the following screens for my Optoma HD65.

1. Dalite 110" for Rs 18000

2. Grandview 120" for Rs 13500

Its not about the price.

I'm more concerned about the Quality of the Screen, Ease of maintenance, Warranty and most importantly...

"The Picture Quality"

Which Screen should i get...?!?

Thanks

 

[Sumit]

Hi!!

I have not seen Grandview but Dalite certainly is a great screen. You can't go wrong with it.
What is your source of these prices if you don't mind sharing the same?

Thanks.

 

[vinay]

Well Dalite are near about the world leaders in screens therefore you just can not go wrong, having said that i am using this brand screen since more then 3 years though of upper price range.

The maintenance part is in our hand how we handle it better, if handled well the screen should last for several years.

What is your room length?

V.

 

[rana_kirti]

@ sumit : prices are all quoted in delhi

@ vinay : my room length is 20 feet...

 

[vinay]

I think you should not have a screen above 100 inches, the 20 feet length of your room will become about 15 feet once you put the seating arrangement.

V.

 

[srinisundar]

Great price for the Dalite and as sumit/vinay told you will not go wrong with it... Could you please share further details on dalite( fixed/pull down) type and also kindly share the dealer detail in this thread..

 

[mridulgoel]

Dalite where is an International Brand, born in USA...

Grandview is an budget brand born in China/India...

Secondly...
GrandView and Dalite MW Screens may look same in beginning...
But Dalite is something which is good for long run...
In local screens you will find blur pictures after an year or so...

But one big point with Dalite...
In India there are said to be many importers, but most of them are fake, as in they change the material in it...

But, the prices you have got seems to be from Sight and Sound...so you can go with it...

Dalite Manual and Fixed screens are still safer to buy in India then the motorized ones...

 

[smedhavi]

Grandview is an budget brand born in China/India...

Grandview has nothing to do with India.

• About Grandview - Grandview

I wish we had some Indian companies making decent projection screens. It is a pity that we are paying a fortune for older models.

Grandview is OK. Dalite is better.

Regarding screen size, you can easily accommodate 120 inch if your projector is Full-HD.
Here are the THX recommendations:

• 36 degrees from the last seat. Which means 124.8 inches wide (16:9) screen for a 16 feet viewing distance!
• THX Certified Cinema Screen Placement THX.com
• Viewing Distance Calculator

I know that this is an extreme view, but that's what THX says.

Thanks,

 

[vinay]

About THX recommendations, indeed if they say something it does have value after all it is a great brand but in my case i know one thing very clearly let the projector be full hd or all mothers of full hd, the fact remains longer the viewing distance greater the charm to enjoy the movie, like in my case i am already having 23 feet, i wish i had another 3 feet or so, no wonder in best of cinema halls around the world everyone looks for seats as behind as possible, no wonder more behind the seat, more cost of ticket for better viewing.

I always say one simple thing watch 30 movies from 15 feet then take another 30 days to watch a movie from 25/30 feet, the landslide victory will be for which feet is any body's guess.

V.

 

[smedhavi]

Hi Vinay,

Regarding screen size, you and THX represent two ends of the spectrum. I respect both the points of view. Most of the people would go for something in between.

The reason why we are looking for wider screens now, is that all the movies are being made in 2.4:1 instead of 16:9 (1.77:1). For any given screen, this just means that the picture height is going down. So for a 72" screen, instead of the 35" picture height we had earlier, we get only 26" of picture height. This is just as much height as a bedroom LCD TV.

The reason behind limiting the screen size in the past had two factors:

1. Lower resolution
2. The strain on human eyes while trying to simultaneously focus on things too far apart.

The first factor lost relevance when we moved from 420i (210 lines at a time) to 1080P (1080 lines together).

The perspective on the second factor is changing too. We do not have to focus on all the things together. We just focus on the key objects the director wants us to see and the remaining is peripheral vision; just like real life. The way we have added surround speakers to hear things happening in the areas of the movie we can't see, we also need to capture the peripheral vision of the audience. It is not possible to completely immerse the audience in the movie, if their peripheral vision has elements from the room where they are sitting, and not from the story they are watching.

I hope I make some sense

Thanks,

 

[santhosh]

The perspective on the second factor is changing too. We do not have to focus on all the things together. We just focus on the key objects the director wants us to see and the remaining is peripheral vision; just like real life. The way we have added surround speakers to hear things happening in the areas of the movie we can't see, we also need to capture the peripheral vision of the audience. It is not possible to completely immerse the audience in the movie, if their peripheral vision has elements from the room where they are sitting, and not from the story they are watching.

I hope I make some sense

Thanks,

Fantastic explanation on the second factor Sharad. I can totally relate to what you are saying, but was never able to pen them down the way you have.

 

[vinay]

Hello Sharad & Santosh,

The wider screens will their be a issue, because generally the breadth of a room is around 12 feet, if we have the screen breadth to 10/12 feet then while watching a movie the front tower speakers will block partly the screen keeping in mind that around 2/3 feet gap should be from the wall for speakers.

While though picture height is dropped with newer technology but the breadth remains the way it is, so probably half the battle won for watching a big screen movie in a small room. On the other hand irony is likely to remain at some level when we are watching a movie from small distance and is more relevant to people who watch movie at one go without any breaks.

Actually if we are watching movies on very regular basis then there can be some stress on eyes so one can take some precautions by having a hd projector, using reflective glasses and have in-direct lights while watching a movie etc which holds your mild interest. In my case the other screen which i have of fibre based can easily take in-direct lights then the normal screen which is of great relief to me, such screens are rarely used in India, because of the huge cost and lower awareness.

The link to fibre based screen is:

Projection screens for movies or gaming!

V.

 

[rana_kirti]

@ srinisundar

its a manual pull down Dealor is Sight & sound Delhi india

@ smedhavi , vinay

i'm quite confused about the screen size.


1. THX min is 36 deg which allows 135" Daigonal at 15 feet.

Whereas...

2. SMPTE says at Max is at about 30 degress which allows 110" at 15 feet.


So according the SMPTE

- Are they recommending to watch at 30 Deg and preferebably go closer ( increase the viewing angle ) or

- Are they recommending to watch at 30 Deg and preferrebably go further ( Decrease the Viewing Angle ) ?!?

Thanks.

 

[Dushie]

Well i have been using my Grandview screen for a long time, just clicked a few photos today, the camera is not that good. The screenshots are of a movie called 14 blades i watched a x264 rip of the same the file size was around 1.3 GB.The viewing area is 130" Diagonal.

I have not done any calibration on the projector yet and using it on default cinema mode settings.
My HD 20 has not yet crossed 100 hours of Lamp usage after which i may look at doing a calibration.





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[rana_kirti]

dushie thanks for the pics....

Which grandview model do you have... ?
How much did ya pay ?
&
Whats your viewing distance ?

Thanks ;-)

 

[Dushie]

dushie thanks for the pics....

Which grandview model do you have... ?
How much did ya pay ?
&
Whats your viewing distance ?

Thanks ;-)

I have the 150" 4:3 pull down model. Paid around 20k for the complete installation and setup.

Viewing distance is around 22'.

 

[vinay]

I have dealt twice with sight and sound, the experience has been very good.

About the screen size, you can see there are forum members with larger screens and they believe it is very much fine in their room lengths so at end of the day it is the choice which one has to make on the other hand i am very confident that rooms with smaller lengths and bigger screens is not good in the long run especially for the movie freaks .


V.

@ srinisundar

its a manual pull down Dealor is Sight & sound Delhi india

@ smedhavi , vinay

i'm quite confused about the screen size.


1. THX min is 36 deg which allows 135" Daigonal at 15 feet.

Whereas...

2. SMPTE says at Max is at about 30 degress which allows 110" at 15 feet.


So according the SMPTE

- Are they recommending to watch at 30 Deg and preferebably go closer ( increase the viewing angle ) or

- Are they recommending to watch at 30 Deg and preferrebably go further ( Decrease the Viewing Angle ) ?!?

Thanks.

 

[Dushie]

I have dealt twice with sight and sound, the experience has been very good.

About the screen size, you can see there are forum members with larger screens and they believe it is very much fine in their room lengths so at end of the day it is the choice which one has to make on the other hand i am very confident that rooms with smaller lengths and bigger screens is not good in the long run especially for the movie freaks .


V.

Vinay i agree with you on the same, my advice to fellow members, please don't get carried away with screen size as you need to look at lot of factors, before making the buying decision and most of the users here have spent a long time deciding what to buy and to prepare their HT rooms.

Viewing distance, height, dimensions of the screen are very important in any kind of setup.

 

[rana_kirti]

i did some trial runs with my projector on to the wall on which i'll put the screen on....

i tried 106" , 110" & 120" Diagonal. Watched a few movies.... The realistic Sitting Distance is about 15 feet although the length of the room is about 20 feet.

Hence my conclusion is that 106" seems perfect to watch for long durations like an entire movie. It fits within my vision and my brother also agreed that 110" was a little too much and although 120" looked huge and magnificent we couldn't look at the entire picture with out looking left to right and it was not a enjoyable experience...

So its gonna be 106".. Here are the revised quotes i got....

1. Dalite Model B 106" = 20500 + taxes. + 2800 for wall mount.

2. Grandview CNV 106" = 11000 inclusive. + 1500 for wall mount.

Guys what say....?!?

Which one do i get ?

Thanks

 

[mridulgoel]

i did some trial runs with my projector on to the wall on which i'll put the screen on....

i tried 106" , 110" & 120" Diagonal. Watched a few movies.... The realistic Sitting Distance is about 15 feet although the length of the room is about 20 feet.

Hence my conclusion is that 106" seems perfect to watch for long durations like an entire movie. It fits within my vision and my brother also agreed that 110" was a little too much and although 120" looked huge and magnificent we couldn't look at the entire picture with out looking left to right and it was not a enjoyable experience...

So its gonna be 106".. Here are the revised quotes i got....

1. Dalite Model B 106" = 20500 + taxes. + 2800 for wall mount.

2. Grandview CNV 106" = 11000 inclusive. + 1500 for wall mount.

Guys what say....?!?

Which one do i get ?

Thanks

Dalite... Anyday...

Costly but Quality...