5.1 sound in dish truHD

[ashiquerahiman]

I read some where there is no 5.1 sond i dish truHD,is it true?

I have connected truHD t denon 1311 via HDMI,I haven't any sound effect.
if connect via optical cable will I?

please advise

 

[sanjay0864]

Dish FraudHD does not suppoort DD5.1 audio.

 

[haisaikat]

Connect your Dish via optical with your AVR. Your AVR will not recognize the inputs as Dolby but there will be the efftect. However it is available for only a few movies in Movies Now channel. Tata sky states 7.1, not available though

 

[sudhir_rr]

Thanks for this information. I'll conclude that DishTrueHD doesn't support Dolby Digital 5.1 audio, then.

I had misunderstood one of your earlier postings to imply that it does support DD5.1.

Connect your Dish via optical with your AVR. Your AVR will not recognize the inputs as Dolby but there will be the efftect. However it is available for only a few movies in Movies Now channel. Tata sky states 7.1, not available though

 

[prankey]

I read some where there is no 5.1 sond i dish truHD,is it true?

I have connected truHD t denon 1311 via HDMI,I haven't any sound effect.
if connect via optical cable will I?

please advise

If you have already connected using HDMI, its one of the best connections. Don't bother spending on an optical cable unless it has the same bug as Tatasky + HD where it can't pass through Dolby Digital through HDMI!

Connect your Dish via optical with your AVR. Your AVR will not recognize the inputs as Dolby but there will be the efftect. However it is available for only a few movies in Movies Now channel. Tata sky states 7.1, not available though

Forget about 7.1, they can not even pass through basic 5.1 audio through HDMI. All DTH operators play games with their customers. TS supposedly give 5.1 audio, however except for the 4 Asli HD channels, all others usually have pathetic Mono or pseudo stereo/5.1 audio which is absolutely worthless compared to even a good quality stereo or mono transmission by Dish TV!

 

[madhavk8]

Still HD service is in its infancy in India. Impractical and expensive. Best bet is for digital cable providers as they have more bandwidth and can provide cheaper cost pr channel.

I had hopes on hathway but seems like they are kinda screwing it up in pricing by giving only yearly plans now. But i still feel that in a couple of months they will bring down price and also provide most HD channels. Just a matter of time

 

[HTuser]

HDMI without 5.1 may not be a bug. It may be intentional.
Most of the users are connecting STB directly to TV. If Dolby 5.1 is sent over HDMI by default, the TVs should be able to decode/downmix to 2.0.

If the TV cannot downmix, then audio will not be proper for the HD channels. STB is downmixing by default and sending through the HDMI cable. Whoever needs 5.1 can use the Optical cable.

Ideally this should have been an option to downmix or bitstream through HDMI so that user can choose.

The STB may be capable of 7.1, but there is no channel with 7.1 audio hence we cannot test it. Similarly Videocon and TS says 3D capability, we have to wait and see till channels are available.

As you may be aware there are very few movies in Blu-ray with 7.1 Audio.

Mono or pseudo stereo/5.1 audio may not be a TS issue, that may be the way in which they are getting it. Very few non-movie programs are recorded in 5.1, even if they are recorded in 5.1 we may not feel much of effect like movies. Hence I don't care much if Neo HD is not having 5.1 audio.

 

[btcochin]

I have faced the same problem with Airtel HD and denon 1312.
I have asked for help from Airtel/Denon and even this forum.
Not much use, but some clues only.
Finally I have solved the problem.

I have connected the HDMI cable from sat. set top box directly to TV and the optical output to AVR through an optical cable. When AVR is getting only audio signals through Optical cable, it detects DOLBY (only for HD channels)

(Initially I have connected the optical audio output from TV to AVR, but the sound was very less and a detectable delay was present)

(Drawback of first method is that you cannot get on screen display of AVR while watching the satelite TV, for this you need to select the particular HDMI port where AVR monitor output is connected....like HDMI 1 - AVR Monitor output and HDMI 2 - Sat set top box)

Give a try and see

 

[prankey]

HDMI without 5.1 may not be a bug. It may be intentional.
Most of the users are connecting STB directly to TV. If Dolby 5.1 is sent over HDMI by default, the TVs should be able to decode/downmix to 2.0.

If the TV cannot downmix, then audio will not be proper for the HD channels. STB is downmixing by default and sending through the HDMI cable. Whoever needs 5.1 can use the Optical cable.

Ideally this should have been an option to downmix or bitstream through HDMI so that user can choose.

The STB may be capable of 7.1, but there is no channel with 7.1 audio hence we cannot test it. Similarly Videocon and TS says 3D capability, we have to wait and see till channels are available.

As you may be aware there are very few movies in Blu-ray with 7.1 Audio.

Mono or pseudo stereo/5.1 audio may not be a TS issue, that may be the way in which they are getting it. Very few non-movie programs are recorded in 5.1, even if they are recorded in 5.1 we may not feel much of effect like movies. Hence I don't care much if Neo HD is not having 5.1 audio.

Unfortunately your assumptions are wrong buddy.

The latest firmware (version 105) by TS has put the manual option of choosing Dolby output as a manual option for HDMI and SPDIF independently. Unfortunately it still do not work on TS+HD (its working on TS HD).

Now there is NO QUESTION of testing 7.1 as it can only come thru HDMI and unless they are able to figure out by deeply scratching their heads on how to pass multichannel audio through HDMI, there is no way we will EVER get 7.1 output even if STB is capable!

I knew Neo HD was coming in Mono and dint complain about it. My complain is that one way TS is cribbing of low bandwidth, why they hell are they broadcasting Mono or downmixed mono content (as is the case with ESPN and Star Cricket HD - TS is doing it!) and presenting as DD5.1? Why is it not a simple AAC2.0 decoded by STB to PCM 2.0 to preserve bandwidth? They know that most of their subscribers attain nirvana by seeing their AVR showing "DOLBY DIGITAL 5.1" no matter how terrible the content is.

And you also seems not be affected by atrocious DRC which completely kills the pleasure of audio (currently in 3 HD channels). As indicated in my last post, DRC was done 100 years back! There is place of DRC in present broadcasting equipments especially the way TS does it due to which we get frequent drop of audio when the sound characteristic changes every few seconds and obviously the DRC and AVL effect is extremely pronounced even on 3 HD channels right now which kills the original intensity of audio they way it is supposed to come to our receivers. With DRC, even if they give 10.1 uncompressed audio, we will never be able to appreciate that!

 

[prankey]

I have faced the same problem with Airtel HD and denon 1312.
I have asked for help from Airtel/Denon and even this forum.
Not much use, but some clues only.
Finally I have solved the problem.

I have connected the HDMI cable from sat. set top box directly to TV and the optical output to AVR through an optical cable. When AVR is getting only audio signals through Optical cable, it detects DOLBY (only for HD channels)

(Initially I have connected the optical audio output from TV to AVR, but the sound was very less and a detectable delay was present)

(Drawback of first method is that you cannot get on screen display of AVR while watching the satelite TV, for this you need to select the particular HDMI port where AVR monitor output is connected....like HDMI 1 - AVR Monitor output and HDMI 2 - Sat set top box)

Give a try and see

CORRECTION - its not a solution, its a workaround which is available at the forum since the issue was reported. You need not do such expenditure and tricks if HDMI output works correctly on Airtel. Most of us spend several days to hours figuring out the issue as none of the service providers clearly talks of this CRITICAL BUG which exist on their STBs since inception. This is a classic example of how challenged their technical team is and the level of importance they give to fixing these straight forward passthru bugs which can be resolved within MINUTES OF REPROGRAMMING! Remember, passing thru audio is the easiest thing a device can do instead of decoding it and passing as PCM 2.0!

 

[btcochin]

CORRECTION - its not a solution, its a workaround which is available at the forum since the issue was reported. You need not do such expenditure and tricks if HDMI output works correctly on Airtel. Most of us spend several days to hours figuring out the issue as none of the service providers clearly talks of this CRITICAL BUG which exist on their STBs since inception. This is a classic example of how challenged their technical team is and the level of importance they give to fixing these straight forward passthru bugs which can be resolved within MINUTES OF REPROGRAMMING! Remember, passing thru audio is the easiest thing a device can do instead of decoding it and passing as PCM 2.0!

Can the user be able to do the reprogramming of this STB?
Is there any particular software available for this?
Please help.

 

[ashiquerahiman]

As Sanjay said Dish HD is fraud HD.

As BTCochin advised I have treid seprate HDMI and opt cable,but no luck.AVR is not detecting signals as Dolby.I refered STB manual as per them if we use seperate opt cable we may get dolby effect.

 

[dillihifi]

I am in complete agreement on prankey on the issues regarding the audio engineering as performed by TS. Again I am of the opinion that none of the DTH operators give us very good quality which would slowly become a necessity with most of us having switched to big screens and having good quality audio reproduction systems. Further forgetting about individual likes and dislikes the sound from all the programmes should be presented in original without any sort of engineering at their end. I hope those jokers at TS do understand this.

 

[amol12]

Tata sky + HD has DD 5.1 over HDMI. I have it working and the AV receiver shows DD and outputs 5.1 audio.
The issue is the settings menu is a bit confusing.
Also after setting 5.1 over HDMi and one must press the blue button to save the settings. If settings are not saved explicitly then they are not saved. This is unlike other menus where it prompts if one wants to save after changing settings.

 

[ashiquerahiman]

I am using dish truHD not Tata sky.In my AVR showing only "stereo" not "DD" or "DTS"

 

[jagadishareddy]

I am using dish truHD not Tata sky.In my AVR showing only "stereo" not "DD" or "DTS"

same thing on my TS HD it is not showing DD or DTS on the avr, where as it is connected through hdmi. it was showing DD before but not now. or am i missing some thing?

 

[amol12]

I am using dish truHD not Tata sky.In my AVR showing only "stereo" not "DD" or "DTS"

Sorry for the OT post. I was just replying to prankey as I read Tatasky HD+ does not do HDMI over HDMI whereas it does for me atleast.

 

[haisaikat]

Hi guys, I confirmed yesterday night after several experiments with my Dish Tru HD that it is giving 2 channel 48Hz PCM over both HDMI and Optical.

However I will continue to use it as I have multiroom pack with discounted pricing and some of the HD channels like Ten HD, Colours HD and M Tunes HD (my most fav) I cannot give up.

But for others who are going to purchase newer dish connection I thought I must post this multi channel info for their benefit in order to decide. Overall I think India D2H providers are yet to mature on multi channel audio

 

[prankey]

Tata sky + HD has DD 5.1 over HDMI. I have it working and the AV receiver shows DD and outputs 5.1 audio.
The issue is the settings menu is a bit confusing.
Also after setting 5.1 over HDMi and one must press the blue button to save the settings. If settings are not saved explicitly then they are not saved. This is unlike other menus where it prompts if one wants to save after changing settings.

It sure does work on TS HD but NOT on TS+HD as I have done it multiple times. I actually understood the setting the very first time I saw it as its the same as with SD and HD TV aspect ratio setting! I have accordingly guided many (the same way like you) to get DD audio on their TS HD boxes

Are you sure talking about TS+HD? Its confirmed by the CEO contact that its a known issue which is not yet resolved and it has only restored passthrough on TS HD boxes after months of outage.

same thing on my TS HD it is not showing DD or DTS on the avr, where as it is connected through hdmi. it was showing DD before but not now. or am i missing some thing?

Use Amol's recommendation carefully, you will get DD audio through HDMI now (on latest 105 version of software).

 

[prankey]

Hi guys, I confirmed yesterday night after several experiments with my Dish Tru HD that it is giving 2 channel 48Hz PCM over both HDMI and Optical.

However I will continue to use it as I have multiroom pack with discounted pricing and some of the HD channels like Ten HD, Colours HD and M Tunes HD (my most fav) I cannot give up.

But for others who are going to purchase newer dish connection I thought I must post this multi channel info for their benefit in order to decide. Overall I think India D2H providers are yet to mature on multi channel audio

You may have to choose the language option on your remote to get DD stream as Dish HD broadcast them as both AAC2.0 (PCM stereo) and DD5.1 (only available on few channels and content - probably as per original broadcast - this is better than fake 5.1 engineered by Tatasky on some channels/programming).