50UT50 vs 47LM6410 vs 42ST50

[emmarbee]

Please help me make a good decision on my first TV.

Demoed the 42" UT50 and 47"LM4610 among many other television last weekend (including HX750, ES6200, ET50, ET5 etc).

Why I like LM6410:
Passive 3D's comfort.
2D-3D conversion depth.
LG's After Sales Service.
Power Consumption
Why I don't:
Cause everyone is saying UT50 is way better than this.
A bit expensive.
Price Quote that I had got:
47LM6410 - 93K (including 15 months 0% interest and 0 processing Fee)

Why I like UT50: Has got the best reviews all around the web. Very Affordable.
Why I don't: Active 3D - felt a little bit uncomfortable/hassled. Also during my demo, it looked awful compared to the LED line up (ET5d, ET50, DT50) of Panasonic.
Price Quote that I had got:
42UT50 - 65K (no words about EMI yet)
42ST50 - 85K (not demoed yet and no words about the stock)


So, should I go for LM6410 or UT50 or settle in for a smaller size ST50 (42")?

OR

Wait few more months for the new Panasonic Plasma LineUp
Panasonic's 2013 TV line-up - full overview - FlatpanelsHD


My Requirements:
-> Badly need a bigger size TV. The bigger the better my mind will come to ease.
-> Crazy about 3D. So need a TV that has great 3D depth in both original 3D content and in 2D-3D conversion (if you haven't checked out the conversion 3D yet, please do. Its awesome). Plus the 3D shouldn't be uncomfortable.
-> Regarding Picture Quality - wouldn't give this a high priority as I wouldn't be knowing how bad my TV is performing unless I compare it alongside with a better performing TV. BUT if at the same price or at a lesser price, if an absolute stunner is available, I will readily go far that. (point in case - UT50 against HX750, ES6000, ES7000, ES8000, LM6400, LM6700 etc)
-> BUDGET strictly below 90K and EMI options is MUST

My Usage:
-> Will connect the TV to PC in a very DARK room. But will keep the lights on most of the time while watching occasional contents like trailers, samples, series and other stuff. So the 3D content shouldn't be too dark in a bright environment.
-> Will mostly watch a 5-6 movies a week. Mostly 2D as you might know, but if 2D - 3D conversion gives half the experience of an original 3D content, wouldn't hesitate to use 3D for normal movies. (Ex: If I buy LM6410, i ll be wearing that 90% of my TV watching time )

 

[just4kix]

You will always feel that plasma is dull as compared to LED. Showrooms are brightly lit and even in the wildest scope cannot represent the true home light conditions. You should ask the showroom guy to switch off a few lights to resemble home ambient light. That said plasma needs to be cared for (Prevent Image Retention and Burn-in). IR is faintly visible only when green slide is displayed and at the lowest brightness/contrast. IR cannot be observed during normal TV operation.

I have ST50 and never ever regretted the decision. If you have the budget and stock are available soon, go for ST50.

 

[etios]

Get the LG, you like it and that is what matters in the end, you are buying TV for yourself not for the other guy who reviews stuff.

Also plasma tv's suffer big issues like burn-in and massive reflections, and the panasonic service is pathetic and they are even planning to exit plasma business in India.

 

[just4kix]

The poster above is not only wrong and misleading but completely biassed against plasma. Not a single post of his gives an objective view. Read all his posts and you will know what I mean.

- Plasma does not suffer from burn-in; there are chances of temporary IR that goes away very soon. Even then, IR will be caused by excessive exposure to static images, say more than 2 hours. For burn-in to occur, one must really abuse a TV for months together. Read my article on plasma IR issues. The poster above does not know the difference between IR and BI. Period.
- "Massive" reflections? Go and see any LCD/LED TV that has glass cover like Sony HX850 which has gorilla glass and it will suffer from "massive" reflections. But as LED TV is brighter, three reflections do not interfere as much. 80% of TV is watched during night, you can dim the lights. During day just draw the curtain across windows. No problem with reflections. But I must hand out one complement to the poster above - he is very liberal with superlative adjectives.

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[just4kix]

Normally, these days, I try to avoid getting into a plasms/LCD debate. But it really irks me that some members fail to take a neutral view, not acknowledge the benefits of the particular technology and simply bash others. Such members, I think, take it a personal loss, almost equivalent to bereavement, if one brand of TV is sold against their "dear favourite" one.

Some reference reading material below. I suggest that every TV purchaser should read these articles at least twice before arriving at a decision. I did, at least.

LED LCD vs. plasma vs. LCD
Why do plasma TVs look washed out in the store?

Myths, Marketing, and Misdirection
Contrast ratio (or how every TV manufacturer lies to you)

Source: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57337192-221/why-led-does-not-mean-a-better-picture/

Contrast ratio ("local dimming")
Because the part of the TV that creates the image is the same (the LCD), there are many more similarities than differences between LED LCDs and regular LCDs.

One exception is "local dimming." With some LED models, areas of the screen can dim independently. Both edge-lit and backlit LED LCDs can have this feature, but backlit versions have a much more pronounced effect. Keep in mind, though, that the vast majority of LED LCDs are edge-lit. Only flagship and high-end models are backlit (like the Sony HX929, one size of the LG LW9800, and the Sharp Elites).

There's a limit to what local dimming can do, though. Unlike plasma HDTVs, local-dimming LED LCDs can't dim individual pixels. They're limited to "zones." How many zones varies, but assume it's 12 to 16 for edge-lit models, and a few hundred for full-array. It's definitely not the millions that would be needed to cover all the pixels of the TV (for one, there are probably only a few hundred LEDs back there).

Edge-lit TVs have fewer zones because their LEDs are along the edges of the screen. One or two LEDs are responsible for significantly large areas of brightness across the screen. While local dimming on edge-lit LED LCDs may result in a contrast ratio improvement over CCFL LCDs, they will not be as good as backlit local-dimming LED LCDs or plasmas.

On a backlit TV with local dimming, the LEDs behind smaller zones can dim independently. So smaller, specific dark parts of the image can be darker, while the LEDs behind the bright parts stay at 100 percent. This creates a better contrast ratio than what's possible with the LCD alone. So local-dimming LED LCDs typically have a better contrast ratio than CCFL LCDs.

Color
Claims of better color accuracy with LEDs is largely marketing hype. TV images are built using the three additive primary colors: red, green, and blue. The entire TV system is based on this, and every color you see is created using just these three colors. The color is determined by color filters built into the LCD glass itself, as nearly every LED LCD uses "white" LEDs. The color accuracy (or inaccuracy) of an LCD is decided by the manufacturer using different color filters and electronics tuning. In other words, color is a design choice that has nothing to do with the light source. It's possible to have inaccurate colors on an LED TV, and accurate colors on an CCFL LCD.

Is LCD and LED LCD HDTV uniformity a problem?

 

[emmarbee]

@just4kix - thanks a lot for that IR & Burn-In article. I read through that and am definitely gonna follow that if i buy plasma (I already downloaded the Evangelo's slides).

@etios - It's just not 'one' guy. It's the whole word. U.S websites & Forums - UK websites & Forums everyone are saying the UT50 is a class ahead than LEDs in its price range and just above it. I'm not sure about the Panasonic service, but the showroom staffs were very friendly and knew technical stuff. Most Importantly they didn't urge me "TO BUY" a t.v there. But to check out and choose the best wherever i like it. He even suggested me to get from other dealers if the price is quoted low.


@just4kix - I'm not just gonna buy a single person's suggestion. I'm looking for a more healthy discussion for me to make a good decision.

 

[shanmune]

To be honest, I am neither from the Plasma club nor from the LED/LCD club. I am putting this straight forward because I don't want any one to point me that I am biased. I completely agree with just4kix because I have myself witnessed how UT50/ST50 was performing excellently even though I have't owned any flat screen panels till now. Whan I say this, I am not biased in anyway and I only put the facts what I have witnessed on my own. So I can say UT50/ST50 is the best TV for the money you pay and it can even perform close to any reference models like VT50, XBR-950, Sharp elite etc. I would even say the Samsung P8000 plasma shares the crown with UT50/ST50.

Though I say UT50/ST50/P8000 as the best TVs in terms of PQ, I don't blindly recommend them to all. I will first ask what the requirements are of a buyer, then ask them to be aware of the pros/cons of each technology and finally help them in building a list of models to choose from. So rather than me suggesting that a particular tech is bad or good, I prefer the buyer to take an informed decision and buy what suits him the most.

Regarding the service, I can tell all the brands have pathetic after sales service. I guess all these service centres are outsourced to third parties and their only aim is to maximise their profit margin at any cost. Forget about Panasonic, I myself have seen pathetic support even from Sony, Yamaha or any other brand which ever you call it as the best brand. I meant no offense to anyone. I do not want to pick up any misunderstanding with any one as I have respect to all the forum members. I remember once I was abused in one of the posts just for the reason that I have expressed my opinion to have a calm debate. Even if you disagree with me on some facts, you have every right to do so, but I hope you at least agree or understand my intent in posting this.

 

[shanmune]

@just4kix - thanks a lot for that IR & Burn-In article. I read through that and am definitely gonna follow that if i buy plasma (I already downloaded the Evangelo's slides).

@etios - It's just not 'one' guy. It's the whole word. U.S websites & Forums - UK websites & Forums everyone are saying the UT50 is a class ahead than LEDs in its price range and just above it. I'm not sure about the Panasonic service, but the showroom staffs were very friendly and knew technical stuff. Most Importantly they didn't urge me "TO BUY" a t.v there. But to check out and choose the best wherever i like it. He even suggested me to get from other dealers if the price is quoted low.


@just4kix - I'm not just gonna buy a single person's suggestion. I'm looking for a more healthy discussion for me to make a good decision.

I appreciate your approach. Whether you buy a Plasma or LED, at least you are taking a well informed decision and choosing the best for your requirements.

 

[just4kix]

It is no secret that I am a plasma fan. But that does not mean I am automatically anti-LCD. There are situations for everyone. My logic for TVs:

When to stick to CRT?
When you are mostly watching SD channels, or movies via DVD, or the "downloaded" 700 mb AVIs, etc., there is no point moving to a large screen flat panel. Apart from bragging rights, you have not gained much and in fact lost a fair bit from the bank.

When to buy LCD/LED?
When you are mostly watching TV/DTH, HD and SD content, soaps, news, mostly Bollywoord movies (very colourful and bright) and some Hollywood, when day or night, your room is very bright and you can't control the light, when you like bright/vivid colours, when you do not want to worry about IR, etc., in short you want a "Kapil Dev" or "Ian Botham", i.e., a TV for general purpose and all round usage, then LCD/LED is the TV for you.

When to buy Plasma?
When everything is opposite to the LCD/LED case above, when you watch a lot of Hollywood movies (dark, shadowy, colourful) especially on blu-ray, when colour accuracy / high native contrast / deep/inky blacks / clear shadow details (making out objects in dark areas of the pic), etc. is extremely important to you, and when you can care for the TV panel against IR, etc., in short you want a "Sachin Tendulkar" or "Courtney Walsh", then go for plasma.

 

[emmarbee]

@shanmune - from what I've seen so far, L.G's after sales service has been great for me. (A.C, Fridge, Washing Machine, Owen). By saying this, I'm not meaning that all LG products that I had bought go kaput. The guys will just come for service periodically, do their job and make us to buy some kind of extended warranty and they do their excellent job during those extended period too

And as far as the 'requirement', I'll update in the original post about my requirements clearly.

 

[just4kix]

@shanmune - from what I've seen so far, L.G's after sales service has been great for me. (A.C, Fridge, Washing Machine, Owen). By saying this, I'm not meaning that all LG products that I had bought go kaput. The guys will just come for service periodically, do their job and make us to buy some kind of extended warranty and they do their excellent job during those extended period too

And as far as the 'requirement', I'll update in the original post about my requirements clearly.

LG and Samsung both have good after sales. But both (and all others) are notoriuos when it will come to honouring the panel warranty. Everyone, Panasonic & Sony included, will try to pass the blame to you in case of panel faults stating that it is your fault that panel stopped working, or one or two dead pixels is not a fault, etc.

 

[mohit_delhi]

The poster above is not only wrong and misleading but completely biassed against plasma. Not a single post of his gives an objective view. Read all his posts and you will know what I mean.

- Plasma does not suffer from burn-in; there are chances of temporary IR that goes away very soon. Even then, IR will be caused by excessive exposure to static images, say more than 2 hours. For burn-in to occur, one must really abuse a TV for months together. Read my article on plasma IR issues. The poster above does not know the difference between IR and BI. Period.
- "Massive" reflections? Go and see any LCD/LED TV that has glass cover like Sony HX850 which has gorilla glass and it will suffer from "massive" reflections. But as LED TV is brighter, three reflections do not interfere as much. 80% of TV is watched during night, you can dim the lights. During day just draw the curtain across windows. No problem with reflections. But I must hand out one complement to the poster above - he is very liberal with superlative adjectives.

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I think it all boils down to the fact if one has patience/ability to be take care of Plasma's for first 200 hours & post that as well to an extent.

But I have a different observation here to make. Is panasonic not serious about Indian market. Heard so many counts of product unavailability across stores across models. Not sure if Panasonic is taking Indian market to be granted. I don't have anything against the brand but just making an observation.

 

[emmarbee]

^ - if that's gonna be the case, I'll add one more point to LG But I badly want to buy the 50UT50.

And can someone please quote me the best price available for 47LM6410 (built in wifi) and 50UT50. Anywhere in India is OK - I'll go there and carry it myself if the difference is too much.

 

[just4kix]

Panasonic and Sony are jointly developing the OLED TV. OLED is the future. I suppose that Panasonic will stay in the plasma market till then. Panasonic announced new 2013 lineup during the CES-2013 at Las Vegas. They will introduce some models to India definitely because they simply cannot ignore the India market which is not saturated as yet.

 

[vakharia]

^ - if that's gonna be the case, I'll add one more point to LG But I badly want to buy the 50UT50.

And can someone please quote me the best price available for 47LM6410 (built in wifi) and 50UT50. Anywhere in India is OK - I'll go there and carry it myself if the difference is too much.

If you are looking for the lowest rate then that is here:
Buy Panasonic TH-P50UT50D (FHD) 3D TV, 50 Inch 3D Price, Best 3D India - Infibeam.com

However, be warned about buying it from Infibeam.

The cheapest place to buy is Delhi. However going to Delhi from Chennai for a TV is an overkill.
All Panasonic TV's are imported from Thailand to Chennai and then distributed to the rest of the country as per my knowledge.

So, catch the dealers in Chennai.

 

[emmarbee]

^ - i've seen that infibeam price several times. But I'm not gonna buy from them, after seeing so many bad experience written all over the internet.

 

[mohit_delhi]

^ - i've seen that infibeam price several times. But I'm not gonna buy from them, after seeing so many bad experience written all over the internet.

yes it's a risk taking a chance from them, they might not even have it in stock which they never claim & after few days of earning interest on your money, will say that they couldn't procure it

Anyways, i dont think it is a wise decision of getting it from a state as far as delhi from your hometown chennai! Not worth so much hassle of having to arrange it to be sent/carried personally.

Have you checked out all dealers in chennai?

 

[emmarbee]

no not at all. and i haven't negotiated with the panasonic showroom guy

 

[etios]

just4kix is a BIG plasma fanboy which can be seen by his past posts and threads, OP can easily verify this, and whatever i stated are facts, just follow these links:

http://www.hifivision.com/television/34021-sad-shocking-news-panasonic-stop-plasma-tvs-2013-a.html

http://www.hifivision.com/television/36428-st50-replacement-led-refund.html

http://www.hifivision.com/television/28210-thin-vertical-line-my-panasonic-th-p42u30d-plasma-3.html

http://www.hifivision.com/television/36777-uncertainity-plasma.html

http://www.hifivision.com/television/37139-keep-faith.html

 

[just4kix]

just4kix is a BIG plasma fanboy which can be seen by his past posts and threads, OP can easily verify this, and whatever i stated are facts, just follow these links:

http://www.hifivision.com/television/34021-sad-shocking-news-panasonic-stop-plasma-tvs-2013-a.html

http://www.hifivision.com/television/36428-st50-replacement-led-refund.html

http://www.hifivision.com/television/28210-thin-vertical-line-my-panasonic-th-p42u30d-plasma-3.html

http://www.hifivision.com/television/36777-uncertainity-plasma.html

http://www.hifivision.com/television/37139-keep-faith.html

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Your so called "proofs and facts" are so laughable that they do not even merit a reply. But since others may be misled, I will endeavour to do so:

Link 1: Panasonic is getting out of plasma business
This is a mere rumour and speculation by people. Where is the fact and proof? The fact and proof is that Panasonic (and Samsung) are not only going to remain in the plasma market but have announced new 2013 models in CES. That is plain truth for all.

Link 2: ST50 replacement
There is a shortage of stock and an LED TV was offered as replacement. While I completely sympathize with the OP of that thread, he had made matters much worse between himself and dealer. If I recollect correctly, the current bad set was already a replacement for the original. The dealer may just have decided, "let's give him an LED instead and spare ourselves further hassles".

Link 3: Vertical line in plasma
What does that prove? Does it prove that LED is better than plasma? You, my dear Sir, are living in a closed world that does not extend beyond Sony. Search the web for problems and you will find many threads complaining about panel problems from Sony, LG, Samsung, etc.

Link 4 and 5: Uncertainty of plasma
Same as link 2. Once again mere speculation by thread bearers and not any confirmation.

Dear Sir, if you want to state facts, please state facts and not obscure imaginations fueled by paronoid delusions of a confused mind.

I have already stated that I am a plasma fan but I give objective advice. In many threads, including this one, I have stated the obvious. To many, I suggested that they should go with LED. But I rest my case. Let the forum members define whether I am biased or you are.