Anyone digitizing their CD music collection?

WAV conversions from CDs are much needed considering the weather we all belong to. My process is something like

(a) Cleaning CDs with lens cleaner spray and micro fibre cloth before a rip
(b) Using Asus external DVD writer and EAC in PC with error correction. In a few instances EAC error correction failed to work, used ITunes for conversion without a hitch
(c) Scanning front and back side of the CDs in high resolution and for folder album art using a low resolution copy
(d) Generated a standard excel with music director, singer and genre name like Hindi Old, Hindi New etc. This helps in creating tag
(e) mp3 tag (freeware) for adding album art and tag
(f) Keeping WAV to play from external HDD and with dbPoweramp creating a mp3 for keeping in mobile
(g) Foobar with WASAPI in laptop and connecting HDD for listening

For CD storage, using external plastic cover on jewel case.
 
Also, I need to check if my streamer can read an ISO file.
I use laptop - DAC - Amp , so ISO is no problem as Windows can mount ISO images directly & then its treated as a virtual CD . I don't have any experience with streamers
WAV format generates as many files as the number of tracks.

Advantage of ISO is -
With some albums like Pink Floyd - The Wall or Alan Parsons Project , which have tracks without any pause, i.e. the ending of the first track is intermixed/ crossfades seamlessly into the next track , I find ISO as a better option.
And just incase if some new format comes up in future, which is better than FLAC, then I don't have to worry as I have an exact image of the whole CD (or DVD)without any compression.
white moldy substance (as specks) developing on some CDs
Yes , similar observations

BTW Nice to know you are from Thane too. Hill side areas like Vasant Vihar , Pokhran, Pawar nagar are less susceptible to moisture than creek side areas. In my area , the dust can eat up paint , resulting in rust spots appearing underneath the painted surface! I later observed that this salty dust flows along with air from the dried up saltpans, located close to my buildings.
 
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Just my 2 cents contribution to a couple of points above.

1. For cleaning the CD, I do Not recommend cleaning with CD Lens cleaning Fluid (it is almost 100% Iso Propyl Alcohol... an aggressive solvent)
I recommend washing the CD with Liquid dish-washing soap under mildly warm running water. Pat gently with a soft cloth or towel to dry.

2. a) An ISO file cannot be played by a streamer.

b) It is too cumbersome to jump from 1 Song to another on different albums, if you are using ISO files. You will have to unmount the iso file of the album being played, Mount the new iso file and then select the track number on the new iso file.

c). To better play .iso files, particularly of SACDs, JRiver is excellent. Even JRiver will not stream an iso file.
 
Just my 2 cents contribution to a couple of points above.

1. For cleaning the CD, I do Not recommend cleaning with CD Lens cleaning Fluid (it is almost 100% Iso Propyl Alcohol... an aggressive solvent)
I recommend washing the CD with Liquid dish-washing soap under mildly warm running water. Pat gently with a soft cloth or towel to dry.

2. a) An ISO file cannot be played by a streamer.

b) It is too cumbersome to jump from 1 Song to another on different albums, if you are using ISO files. You will have to unmount the iso file of the album being played, Mount the new iso file and then select the track number on the new iso file.

c). To better play .iso files, particularly of SACDs, JRiver is excellent. Even JRiver will not stream an iso file.
Thanks. Based on the clarification from you and @availlyrics, I shall stick with the Wav format (my streamer reads it and it is uncompressed) and ripping each track in separate file.

Two questions:
1. Should I create a cue file too? What does it do? Why is it needed?
2. Once a CD is damaged and I have to recreate a physical copy (write a CD), will I get an exact replica of the original CD from the ripped Wav files? If not, what do I need to do while ripping to be able to do this if needed in future?
 
Thanks. Based on the clarification from you and @availlyrics, I shall stick with the Wav format (my streamer reads it and it is uncompressed) and ripping each track in separate file.

Two questions:
1. Should I create a cue file too? What does it do? Why is it needed?
2. Once a CD is damaged and I have to recreate a physical copy (write a CD), will I get an exact replica of the original CD from the ripped Wav files? If not, what do I need to do while ripping to be able to do this if needed in future?
A cue file is good to have. See https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Cue_sheet

To re-create a CD exactly you would either use an ISO image or .bin+ .cue or .flac + .cue See https://www.makeuseof.com/iso-vs-bin-vs-cue-vs-img-disk-image-formats-explained/

WAV only or FLAC only gets you the tracks but not the CD layout
 
Thanks. Based on the clarification from you and @availlyrics, I shall stick with the Wav format (my streamer reads it and it is uncompressed) and ripping each track in separate file.

Two questions:
1. Should I create a cue file too? What does it do? Why is it needed?
2. Once a CD is damaged and I have to recreate a physical copy (write a CD), will I get an exact replica of the original CD from the ripped Wav files? If not, what do I need to do while ripping to be able to do this if needed in future?

jsmithe

has very consisely and accurately answered your queries.

I would like to provide a slightly more detailed explanation of the .cue file, its function, advantages and disadvantages.

1. First its necessary to understand the way a CD is structured and how its meta data is provided by online CD databases like
Discogs, freedb, MusicBrainz, GD3 etc

Lets say a CD has 12 tracks, each track will ofcourse be of different duration.
The 1st Track is positioned near the inner diameter of the CD (Opposite of an LP), and the last track close to the Outer diameter of the CD.
Each track is separated by a silent passage ... There is No fixed silent passage ... some CDs like Wall of PINK FLOYD (or many western classical CDs) may have practically no silence between tracks... One track merges with the next track. Only a marker (not silence) locates the beginning of the next track.

I am listing below the cue file of the WALL CD 1 which I have ripped using EAC [Exact Audio Copy, Freeware]
(I have added a blank line after each track to make reading easier).
Just look at the Highlighted text:

REM DATE 1979
REM DISCID A409D60D
REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v1.0b3"
CATALOG 4988005070425
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
TITLE "The Wall"
FILE "Pink Floyd - The Wall.wav" WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
TITLE "Hey You"

PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078842106
INDEX 01 00:00:00
TRACK 02 AUDIO
TITLE "Is There Anybody Out There?"

PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078842107
INDEX 01 04:44:26

TRACK 03 AUDIO
TITLE "Nobody Home"
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078842108
INDEX 01 07:32:61

TRACK 04 AUDIO
TITLE "Vera"
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078842108
INDEX 01 11:09:54

TRACK 05 AUDIO
TITLE "Bring the Boys Back Home"
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078842110
INDEX 01 12:31:46

TRACK 06 AUDIO
TITLE "Comfortably Numb"
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
INDEX 01 13:48:26

TRACK 07 AUDIO
TITLE "The Show Must Go On"
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078941216
INDEX 00 20:08:64
INDEX 01 20:12:51

TRACK 08 AUDIO
TITLE "In the Flesh"
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078941217
INDEX 01 21:49:64

TRACK 09 AUDIO
TITLE "Run Like Hell"
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078941218
INDEX 01 26:05:12

TRACK 10 AUDIO
TITLE "Waiting for the Worms"
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078941219
INDEX 01 30:28:41

TRACK 11 AUDIO
TITLE "Stop"
PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078941220
INDEX 01 34:24:71

TRACK 12 AUDIO
TITLE "The Trial"

PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
ISRC GBF078941221
INDEX 01 34:57:44

TRACK 13 AUDIO
TITLE "Outside the Wall"

PERFORMER "Pink Floyd"
INDEX 01 40:15:15

The Cue file indicates the name of

Track1: "Hey You" which starts at: INDEX 01 00:00:00
Track 2: "Is There Anybody Out There?" starts at INDEX 01 04:44:26 (ie 4 minutes, 44.26 seconds)
... and so on till the last (Track 13) starts at 40:15:15

The cue file is a tiny text file (less than 10 KB) and does not contain any music... You cannot listen to a .cue file by itself.

The Music is ripped as a separate, SINGLE .wav file that contains all the music & silence between tracks, on the CD, as a .flac or .wav file.

I only rip to .wav (that's another story! :) ) so the music file in this case (line in the cue file is called "FILE "Pink Floyd - The Wall.wav" WAVE"

Think of the .cue file as the index pages of a book and the single .flac / wav file as the entire books content.
The Index page tells you where (Time since start) each chapter (song / track) begins.
You can read the entire book (listen to the entire CD) as a single piece but need the .cue file to identify each song, as well as let you jump to the song you want to listen to.

So when rip as a .cue file, you get 2 files, a tiny index ( .,cue) file and a large (eg 433 MB in this case) .wav / music file. You MUST have BOTH files to be able to play specific tracks.

If you are using a streamer, only the large music file will be sent (actually attempted to send!) The file is too large to send quickly and in real time. The .cue (text) file is never sent in the stream (which is a single music file streamed at a time only) .
Say you want to listen to Track 3... there is really No separate File for Track 3! All tracks are just 1 large file!
Hence a Streamer CANNOT play a .cue file based ripped.



If you rip each track separately, the intertrack silence is lost and when the group of tracks are burnt on a CDR, a 2 second silence is inserted between each track. This Completely destroys the Track times of the CD (Reference to the start of the 1st track) and the CD will never be recognised by any online database.

However, each individual track is easily streamed ... the file sizes are relatively small (about 10 MB per minute for a 16/44 wav file).
So individually ripped tracks can be streamed, but cannot be used to reconstruct the original CD

If a CDR is burnt using a .cue + .wav file pair, it will EXACTLY reconstruct the layout and timing of the original disk and the created CDR will be recognised like the original CD by any online database.

Hence you have the choice:
1. Rip a CD so that you can re-construct it (Using a .cue + .wav or .flac) file pair
OR
2. Rip a CD into individual tracks so that you can stream it.


Some programs such as JRiver, will open a .cue + .wav / .flac file pair and transparently show you the individual tracks and also play the individual tracks.
However this playback is ONLY possible via a USB connection between yr DAC and Computer. It will not stream such ripped albums.


Apologies for the long post, my intention was to provide a detailed explanation to yr 2 queries.

P.S: An .iso file is a single file combination very similar to a .cue + .wav file, but in addition to the time stamp, it also contains details of where (physical location of) each block of data is located .... This is irrelevant for a music CD where tracks are written one after the other.... But on a hard Disc, data is written all over the HDD, to protect the file and enable reconstruction of the data via error correction, if some portion of the HDD gets spoilt.
 
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Incidentally, there is a (Windows) Free ware program "Medieval Cue Splitter" which will accept the .cue + .wav / .flac pair and split into individual tracks.

It takes about 5 seconds to do this.
Thanks for your responses, @IndianEars and @jsmithe. I’ve used EAC long ago when I had a Windows PC. But unfortunately it’s not on Mac which I use now. I am using dBpoweramp in which I couldn’t find a way to get both Wav and Cue files.
 
Thanks for your responses, @IndianEars and @jsmithe. I’ve used EAC long ago when I had a Windows PC. But unfortunately it’s not on Mac which I use now. I am using dBpoweramp in which I couldn’t find a way to get both Wav and Cue files.
 
Thanks for your responses, @IndianEars and @jsmithe. I’ve used EAC long ago when I had a Windows PC. But unfortunately it’s not on Mac which I use now. I am using dBpoweramp in which I couldn’t find a way to get both Wav and Cue files.
I too used EAC for the longest and have always used JRiver with my USB (Non Streaming) DAC.

Roon did not sound good to me in my setup... sound lacked density & impact... but I must add that I have heard Roon sound good on Streaming setups... YMMV :)

I shifted to dB PowerAmp a few years ago after which I rip individual tracks. Done this for universal compatibility for not only being able to share my music with friends that stream, but also in case I shift to streaming in future.

Again, to my ears and in my setup, rips from EAC & JRiver ... Both Bit Perfect, sound different. EAC has a smoother presentation... dB PowerAmp more emphatic / forceful...

Would be interesting to get feedback from others on their comparisons between Ripping & Playback softwares. 🙏
 
This appears to be only for Windows version of dB PowerAmp ... since the codec is an exe file.
 
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