Donivlapog
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There are threads on how Luxman amps cost lakhs too. Those are dime a dozen and this general lounge can accomodate one thread about this topic. Can't it?
Are we going to have an endless medical inflation?
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keith_correa
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Yes it can, and I don't think anyone is saying that this topic or thread is invalid/irrelevant. I for one appreciate this topic especially since I used (still am) to be one who thought medical costs at most places are very high. But many posts in this thread have made me see the rationale behind those costs. I still think the costs are high though.
So, let me understand this - you're saying that the cost of a similar medical service at the same place was 500 a few years ago vs 4000 now? How many years is a few? Just trying to wrap my head around this.
Donivlapog
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Around 2020, during the lock down. "Ironic" was used. Not invalid or irrelevant. Akshat Srivastava the youtuber has covered "medical inflation" with examples a year or so ago. Anyways, I am not interested in this thread anymore after being slapped with personal attacks.
panditji
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Of course it can and nobody has a problem. But as I must have mentioned in those Luxman threads that we should not buy those pricey amplifiers if we feel the pricing is absurd, I reiterate my stand here as well. There are enough lower priced hospitals as SDK pointed out which may not be as clean and fancy looking but the service is still quite similar... the same is the case with chole bhature and chowmein as well as watches, suits, cars, atta etc etc etc... If someone feels an investment banker's job in a Goldman Sachs is paying too much extra money, they should avoid Goldman Sachs and get a job in Pyaare Lal stockbroking associates..
Again since you started this thread ,I am commneting on the thread and nothing personal against you as I have never met you.. My apologies for using the word ironic but I couldn't think of any better word and also I found it a bit funny...
Well expressed comparisons. It’s a bit sad though that health care services have become a commodity similar to those mentioned.
I guess it was inevitable once people started realising doctors were not gods
Donivlapog
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I didnt mention you as having attacked personally. Pls read some replies and you will understand. And Panditji, when a symptom of chest pain comes to the choffeur while driving a car, i dont think we have a luxury or choice to reach the closest govt hospital. It has to be the closest medical facility. Its not your chowmein or chole bature analogy where in you have a choice.
What you need to understand if that society inherently dislikes the Medical fraternity and resents paying someone to keep them healthy or to relieve them from self inflicted maladiesWell expressed comparisons. It’s a bit sad though that health care services have become a commodity similar to those mentioned.
I guess it was inevitable once people started realising doctors were not gods
When the consumer protection act was expanded to include the field of medicine most people were thrilled to bits that now the doctors will get their just desserts
Doctors who relied on their clinical experience were regularly getting screwed in courts where the lawyers would sarcastically ask why standard protocols were not followed, textbooks were brandished and some academic would be brought forward who should testify on all the supposed mistakes
The lawyer and the patient would never mention how the patient begged and cried that he couldn't afford the tests and scans and to try conservative treatment for a few days before collecting money for the same. If the patient deteriorates in the meantime then sue the doctor and hospital
In a country like India these champions of consumer protection act had no clue of the backlash where everything will go by the book and if unaffordable, how sad too bad
People can't have it both ways, no doctor ever asked to be treated like God, but once society makes the patient a customer and consumer, the corollary is that the doctor and hospital will become a vendor or retailer
Society can't have it's cake and eat it too, on one hand they want the power to sue the doctor and ruin his career and finances. And at the same time wants him to treat the patient, disease, pocket and circumstances with a humane touch
Give it a few more years and people will talk of these days fondly when they find that the insurance companies will rule over them and neither the doctor not the patients will have any decision making rights
Donivlapog
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To be forthright i take all the points in the medical providers' stand point however I do not accept being told "whigning" - its just an example I provided and I dont stand losing my wealth by the 4k bill either but for the sub Rs.1000 a day wage earning person, a 4k bill is a steep hill to climb, a week's income gone if I hadnt offered to pay the bill. No pats in the back or feel good factor intended but all i am saying is for the lower income groups medical inflation is a point of concern. As you said I can just walk away saying a reasonable adult responsibility to fend for himself however if it were a reasonable Rs.1000 bill not withstanding the argument of yours of Rs.300 average to be paid for ayah, nurses, wardboy, supplies and water dispenser etc... by the lesser privileged individual. The muccaine, Pan D are the necessary line itens, a doctor consult, a grand total of Rs.1000 is a bill he can afford. Hospitals too have white elephant infra to account for. And i understand their plight too. Maybe insurance companies will be the winners eventually like you point out. Suddenly I remember towards the turn of the millenium, Aetna's then CEO, Dr.John Rowe deciding IMRTs were not medically necessary and made hospitals go near bankrupt with patients billed hefty amounts but now a days is covered. Inflation continues in this field with no answers but to be part of this faultline due to technological evolution whereby it tends towards a dog eat dog world. Not whigning again but just giving an account of how things are going away from hands of low wage income class if they were to land up in such sancta sectorum, a spider's web.
Conflating discontent with the quality, cost of healthcare with an assumption that everyone dislikes medical fraternity is untrue, harmful and dangerous.
As an earlier post pointed out most medical professionals are employees and have little to say on the final cost paid by the patients.
“Self inflicted maladies”? Come on brother. We can do better than that.
This is obviously a complex issue that raises uncomfortable questions and if we are not careful, provokes emotional responses.
let me stick to a single line here. ....endless medical inflation?
yes , this is true . I've witnessed it , like , it started with consultations fees 200 to 1100 in the span of 5 years. similar was with one of the procedures.
Damn! , my 5 year NSC certificates does not keep up with the same trajectory.
yes , this is true . I've witnessed it , like , it started with consultations fees 200 to 1100 in the span of 5 years. similar was with one of the procedures.
Damn! , my 5 year NSC certificates does not keep up with the same trajectory.
panditji
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Dear sir, you did the right thing at that point of time. However you and I may choose a fancy hospital while the lesser income bracket would choose a govt/cheaper hospital depending on their pocket. Life is all about making choices. For a sub Rs.1000 a day wage earner, going to a Dhirubhai Ambani hospital would be a wrong and a bad choice and the it would be a bad choice for the sub Rs. 1000 wage earner to eat Chole Bhature at the Oberoi hotel on Marine Drive...
Jokes apart, EVERYTHING has become expensive but we all make choices depending on our pocket. A Luxman 505UX I bought in Japan in 2016 is now 3x that price from the same shop in Tokyo in November..I chose not to buy it as it was not worth the money...
Donivlapog
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Even education has undergone huge inflation.
This is purely a governance issue. Shouldn't governments categorize what is essential vs what is optional luxury? Cost of medical services must be controlled the way cost of petrol is - every service provider must provide services within a price range similar to how it is done with petrol. Hospitals should not be allowed to run the business how 5-star hotels are.
Isn't is wonderful how closet communists come out from under the rocks to regulate medicos but at the same time want all the benefits of capitalism for themselves
Please could you tell me the educational qualifications of the last 3 generations of your family, the colleges they studied in, your current designation and salary along with all the details of serving society that your family does on a daily basis
It has not
All the govt aided schools in my area, including the school i studied in, are still charging low fees
Now if your ego and keeping up with the jonses means that you want IB, Cambridge, ICSE, CBSE schools for your children and then complain that the fees are in lakhs then we come back to the start of this thread, that is to admit children into govt or govt aided schools
Jitna chadar, utna pair
keith_correa
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Yes it has! Look at the proliferation of educational institutions compared to what we had some time ago. When I went to school, in the locality where I grew up there were A, B and C schools and all of us went to either of them. The fees were affordable to all middle class parents because they were run to provide a service and not with the sole intention of making a profit.
When my daughter went to school, in the same locality, there were A, B, C.... K schools. Out of A, B and C, A and B still charged fees that were reasonable (of course much higher than my time, because inflation), C got bought over by a education "trust" and charged higher than A and B and the new ones which sprung up, charged obscene (to me) fees. Almost all of my peers sent their kids to the new schools. I followed suit and now in hindsight regret it a lot. If I had sent my kid to either of A, B and C she would have got the same level of education but I chose unwisely. That's on ME and not on the new schools. But on the bright side, I'd like to think that we now have a choice among many. We just have to exercise it wisely.
I think you're questions are out of line and I think you should not continue treading the path you're embarking on.
It is extremely necessary to counter such horse manure
My father retired the same year i graduated
Without a pension, i became the sole earner in the house
The gratuity he recieved went into buying me the shop
The equipment and interiors were done by me with a bank loan
And you expect me to accept restrictions on my practice and income imposed by these fat cat Johnny come lately
Not happening
What these pseudo bleeding hearts should actually be doing is taking people under their wing and paying for their treatment, education, clothes etc
What they actually are proposing is stealing money from me and my family to massage their ego of being considerate about society
You are reacting as if you are the only soul in India that is in trouble. And trust me, ModiJi does not take my suggestions seriously.
If you wanted to hurt my feelings, you will be glad to know that you were successful in doing that.
You are reacting as if someone id PMO is looking at this thread.
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