Cinema's greatest classics

@Hitensitapara
We need to define words like 'serious' 'entertaining' 'classic' before a discussion to ensure that everyone is using them in the same context.Words can acquire different meanings when written or read by different people in different contexts.The films highlighted in this thread are NOT 'serious' in the sense that they are sad or tragic movies.They may be termed 'serious' in the sense that they address an intellectually and emotionally more grown up audience.They don't look at life through rose tinted glasses.They don't gloss over human failures and miseries.To that extent they are 'serious'.But there is plenty off love,laughter and happiness in these films.Rather than being targeted at the lowest common denominator like most mainstream cinema,these films are searching for a 'higher' ground.
A 'classic' for me is a film/book/music which ages well.It remains relevant,entertaining and thought provoking for years,decades and sometimes for centuries.Classic is a much used and abused word.Originally it was used in the West to refer to the Greek and Roman era.This was a period of great advances in human knowledge and was followed by the 'dark' ages.The 'dark' denoting an era when human civilization went into decline.It was only in the 14th century that the 'renaissance' bought 'light' back to human civilization.
An 'entertaining' film would be one which engages me intellectually and emotionally.'Janne Bhi Do Yaaro' is serious,entertaining and a classic.The dumb and dumber stuff which Bollywood and Hollywood usually keeps churning out is none of these.Copy/Pasting an earlier post about one of my favorite films.Classic,entertainig,serious and hilarious.THE black comedy to beat all black comedies.UNDERGROUND/EMIR KUSTURICA.
Once upon a time there was a country...
What do you do if you are a film maker and witness your country literally falling apart over your life time.If you are an auteur like Emir Kusturica,you make a black comedy called Underground.Beginning with a heart rending scene of animals dying in a Belgrade zoo,as the Nazis begin there bombing of Yugoslavia....and a bleeding lion,chimp?(can't remember),looking up at the heavens and asking the unanswerable question,WHY ARE HUMAN BEINGS DOING THIS TO US?....this is a gut wrenching film by a master of the medium.Leaving aside all the politics attached to the film I viewed this film as simply the triumph and survival of the individual over a history beyond his/her control.
 
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@Hitensitapara
UNDERGROUND/EMIR KUSTURICA.

what a mind blowing reference you've given my friend!

and it completely reflects your opinion!

I was quite taken by this movie me-self!

More recently a movie that really got me was this charming little film: Africa United.

You gotta see it, if you haven't already.
 
@Hitensitapara
We need to define words like 'serious' 'entertaining' 'classic' before a discussion to ensure that everyone is using them in the same context.Words can acquire different meanings when written or read by different people in different contexts.
A 'classic' for me is a film/book/music which ages well.It remains relevant,entertaining and thought provoking for years,decades and sometimes for centuries.
Thanks for the perspective ajay124. Will watch UNDERGROUND at first given chance.
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Don't know at which intellectual level I stand. (I liked Fargo, Dead Man walking, It's a wonderful life, American Beauty).
But...
So God (If he/she exists) who made large number of people who can not grasp a movie intellectually or emotionally (Though they may have other extraordinary skills/talents/abilities) are deprived of a classics. Did he/she (God) made this on purpose ? Does a classic require reference point to absurd>mediocre>average>ordinary ? What if there is higher level of intelligence (Brainy/Spiritual/emotional) which 'normal' intelligent person can not grasp ? Will that 'normal' intelligent person be ready to accept radical new thinking/new thoughts/new perspective from them which untill now he was not accepting or was reluctant to accept.*
 
@hitensitapara
I believe in the Socratic dictum "All that I know is that I know nothing".This for me is the only certainty.The pursuit of 'knowledge' is endless,essential and exciting.The 'arts' must not be only entertaining but should also be enlightening.
In the past few decades there seems to have been a world wide push towards science and technology.The arts seem to be fading away.It is essential for the world to have engineers and doctors but it is equally essential to nurture new generations of poets,philosophers,musicians and film makers.The arts need to move away from the main stream and become a river,a mountain lake,a sea,in order to give birth to a new generation of artist.Young people in India are not opting for the arts because it is neither interesting nor lucrative.But a world full of technological marvels where pathbreaking books,music,cinema,paintings,sculpture have faded away and been replaced by mass produced 'blockbuster art',would not be a very interesting world.
As you mentioned in your last post the normal intelligent person should be ready to accept radical new thoughts and ideas.It is the hardening of opinion and an 'I know best' or "I'll follow the herd" attitude which causes a person to remain fixed at one point and seek no further.
 
Thanks Ajay. So will explore new things (Music, movies, or for that matter architecture, Sculpture paintings). Am not much of a movie fan but will watch some films mentioned in the thread.
There may not be numerous works and artists these days but there are some well known appreciated Indian artist. Anish Kapoor (Cloudgate ~ Installation), Chintan Upadhyay ( New Indians ~ Sculpture). Some good work they have put up.
Sorry for being offtopic.
thanks and regards
 
No, not downright funny, slapstick, hilarious stuff.
A funny, skeptic look at life or event or history OR a black humor etc.

a Coen Brothers' flick would qualify for that definition of funny..Fargo which i consider a minor classic is in that sense 'funny' ...
some others that come to mind off hand are Pulp Fiction and Dr. Strangelove...
my two pence..
 
i think we as individuals are often unwitting victims of a machinery of canonization that, for example pronounces Citizen Kane as being the greatest movie ever made....my two pence on this is that one should soak up references from forums like this one (populated by extremely knowledgeable and passionate people like Ajay), read (stuff by people like Pauline Kael etc) and watch as many good movies that one can get hold of (this one isn't as simple as how i write it..)...
and as with the other arts, perhaps one should look for sincerity, vision, technical mastery of the medium and things like that...slickness would be the last thing that would qualify the movie as being great...an ad could be slick, but a movie needs to be judged on more elevated criteria..
sweet nothings as usual....
 
The European Union Festival with the blurb 'Laugh like a European' is currently on at the Alliance Francaise in Chandigarh.18 films from various European countries are being screened.From the literature available with me,the festival seems to have already been screened in Mumbai and Delhi.
Dates for the other cities are:
Hyderabad 23/03 to 05/04 (Prasad Cinema,Prasad Preview Theatre)
Kolkatta 11/04 to 20/04 (Nandan Two)
Chennai 11/04 to 20/04 (Alliance Francaise)
Thrissur 24/04 to 1/05 (K.T.Mohammad Memorial Hall)
List Of Films
Copacabana France
The Commitments Ireland
A Chicken Is No Dog Belgium
Wrong Side Up Czech Republic
Cheese And Jam Slovenia
The Other Side Of The Bed Spain
Call Girl Portugal
Sunshine Barry And The Disco Worms Denmark
Beloved Berlin Wall Germany
Ricky Rapper France
Made In Hungaria Hungary
Love Is All Netherlands
Kino Caravan Romania
Killer Poland
The Physics Of Water Italy
The Unemployment Club Luxembourg
Mosquitoes Tango Slovakia
Four Lions United Kingdom
 
EMIR KUSTURICA

The director I keep going back to in recent times.The touchstone by which I measure all the films I view these days.ALL of them fall short.I am not suggesting that Kusturica is the greatest.Simply that while watching UNDERGROUND and then LIFE IS A MIRACLE and then THE TIME OF THE GYPSIES a chemical/alchemical reaction happened for me.Cinema for a brief interlude became shimmering,sparkling 'gold' instead of dreary,dead 'lead'.
FILMOGRAPHY (WIKIPEDIA)
Guernica, 1978, short
The Brides Are Coming (Nevjeste dolaze), 1978, TV film
Buffet Titanic (Bife Titanik), 1979, TV film
Do You Remember Dolly Bell? (Sje?a li se Dolly Bell), 1981
Nije ?ovjek ko ne umre, 1984, TV film
When Father Was Away on Business (Otac na slubenom putu), 1985
Time of the Gypsies (Dom za veanje), 1988
Arizona Dream, 1993
Underground (Podzemlje), 1995
Black Cat, White Cat (Crna ma?ka, beli ma?or), 1998
Super 8 Stories, 2001, documentary
Life Is a Miracle (ivot je ?udo), 2004
Promise Me This (Zavet), 2007
Maradona, 2008, documentary
Cool Water, 2011
Tweaker's Delight, 2011
Wild Roses, Tender Roses, 2012


Life is a miracle.Cinema too can be a miracle.Sometimes.

YouTube - life is a miracle kusturica firstaid
 
The entire world seems to be inundated with films made in Hollywood and Bollywood.Alas!It may be my personal solitary opinion that these films are unwatchable.Cinema is a director's medium.In 1954 the French film critic and director Francois Truffaut advocated the auteur theory,in which among other things he stated that a film should reflect the director's personal vision.Watching the films made in Bollywood and Hollywood one cannot help concluding every film is first and foremost a vehicle for the STAR'S studied dialogue deliveries and trademark clothes and mannerisms.A star never becomes the 'character' in the film.Instead the 'character' is subsumed into the persona of the star in film after film after film.Throw in a potpourri of special effects,sex,violence,melodrama and some inane music and you have the average masala film.The director is reduced to the status of a clumsy juggler with too many balls in the air.The results inevitably are disastrous.There is no personal,in fact,NO vision at all at work.Every Shahrukh,Aamir,Amitabh,De Niro,Pacino,Clooney film is a tired rehash of the same old formulas.
Some of the greatest films ever made have come from Hungary,Poland,Italy,France,Germany,Spain,Sweden,Russia,China,Japan,Argentina,Brazil... there's a vast wonderful world of fabulous cinema out there.Why settle for the sleep inducing Avatar's and Titanic's ?
Starting a list of Cinema Classics NOT made in the masala factories of Mumbai and Hollywood.Will keep editing and adding more...
ANDREI TARKOVSKY
Andrei Rublyov/Ivan's Childhood/Stalker/Solaris/Zerkalo/Nostalghia/Offret
INGMAR BERGMAN
Winterlight/Wild Strawberries/Cries & Whispers/Seventh Seal/Persona/ Autumn Sonata/Through a Glass Darkly/Fanny & Alexander
MICHELANGELO ANTONIONI
L'Avventura/L'Notte/L'Eclipse/Red Desert/Blowup
FEDERICO FELLINI
L'Dolce Vita/8 1/2 /La Strada/Nights of Cabiria
VITTORIO DE SICA
The Bicycle Thief/Shoeshine/Umberto D
LUIS BUNUEL
Viridiana/Belle De Jour/Tristana/Discreet Charm Of The Bourgeoisie/Phantom Of Liberty/That Obscure Object Of Desire
FRANCOIS TRUFFAUT
Jules Et Jim/400 Blows/Fahrenheit 451
JEAN LUC GODARD
Breathless/Vivre Se Vie/Pierrot Le Fou/Alphaville
ROBERT BRESSON
Diary of A Country priest/Pickpocket/Money/The Devil Probably
AKIRA KUROSAWA
Roshomon/Ran/Kagemusha/Seven Samurai/Ikiru/Dersu Uzala
YASUJIRO OZU
Tokyo Story/Early Spring/Late Autumn
KENJI MIZOGUCHI
Oharu/Ugetsu/Sansho The Bailiff
SHOHEI IMAMURA
The Ballad of Narayama/Black Rain/Endless Desire
SATYAJIT RAY
The Apu Trilogy/Charulata/Jalsagar
ADOOR GOPALAKRISHNAN
Elippathayam/Mukhamukham/Maithilukal

That was nice Ajay.Thanks for the audition.But I got talking and could not give my time to listen to music properly.Will make up some other time.
Have a great time.
 
a Coen Brothers' flick would qualify for that definition of funny..Fargo which i consider a minor classic is in that sense 'funny' ...
some others that come to mind off hand are Pulp Fiction and Dr. Strangelove...
my two pence..

All very good films u mention moktan... all 3 my favs.....
not that its a black comedy, but would like to mention Coen Bros "THE BIG LEBOWSKI" also over here.....
"HIS DUDENESS" is at his hilarious best...
 
Hi Ajay,

Its been really nice of you to post such a informative forum. I learned a lot from this discussion regarding the greatest movies of all time. Well I am a guy,who has not watched much of this art cinema. After hearing so many things about Bergman I decided to see a 'Cries and Whisper' of Bergman's. Tough it was quite complex for me. I could not make out much from that,therefor I thought I might require to polish my Cinematic mind. So I seek ur help, as I believe you could take me to that level where I can enjoy the Bergmans,Kurosawa's,Ray's. Being me an infant in Cinemas,can you please suggest me some movies which would gradually increase my taste in these art cinemas.

Please help me out,as I also want to call myself as good cinema viewer
 
If I may offer my suggestion, all IMHO...

Start with Bergman's "Smiles of a Summer Night" - a comedy. Once you ease into it, then watch "Wild Strawberries", "A Virgin Spring" and move on to "Seventh Seal" and go from there. You can watch the 'faith trilogy' right after "Seventh Seal" - "Through a Glass Darkly", "Winter Light" and "The Silence". "Persona", "Cries and Whispers", "Autumn Sonata" are three of my favorites from Bergman apart from "Wild Strawberries". Form ideas, try to interpret your own way, read more about the films and see if they clear up a few more things. Art house movies don't require any special talent - just needs you to get acquainted to it. Best movies for me are not those which just entertain you while on screen, but those which do not leave your thoughts long after the screen has blanked out.

Kurosawa is much easier to watch as he made many different kinds of movies, many of them easily accessible. My favorites are marked in Bold, but YMMV :)

"Seven Samurai", "Yojimbo", "Sanjuro", "The Hidden Fortress" - are all action films in a way, Samurai Westerns if you want. "Hidden Fortress" is one of the inspirations for George Lucas' "Star Wars".

"Stray Dog", "High and Low" are thrillers.

"One wonderful Sunday", "Drunken Angel", "Bad sleep well" are modern day dramas. "Ikiru", one of my favorites, is a tear-jerker.

"Red Beard" is a drama set in the 19th Century.

"Rashomon" is art house.

"Dersu Uzala", his first color film is great for it's scenery and tale.

"Throne of Blood" is Macbeth in Noh theater style.

"Ran" is my favorite work of his latter days, though his most productive and great films were in association with Toshiro Mifune - atleast IMHO.

These are off the top of my head.
 
besides watching the movies, a certain amount of reading also helps...
i would suggest The History of Cinema for Beginners by Jarek Kupsc, published in India by Orient Longman....
it gives a quirky, informative and insightful sweep of the history of cinema.....with great cartoons and a handy glossary of film terms- so that you can differentiate the montage from the mise-en-scene, for example.....

an excerpt:
on Forrest Gump (1994) Jarek writes...
"The first filmmaker to bring ILM's computer effects down to earth is Robert Zemeckis, whose Forrest Gump(1994) uses digital technology (under Ken Raiston's supervision) to place its moronic protagonist (Tom Hanks) in key moments of recent American history. He also achieves impressive illusions of reality as a floating feather, rain, or amputated legs among numerous less noticeable details that elude viewer's attention.
Forrest Gump's ideology, however, is much less inspiring."

and a character who pops throughout the book called Professor Flicker passes the following comment on the movie

" MILLIONS OF PEOPLE FELL FOR YOUR DIM-WITTED INNOCENCE. BUT YOU AINT GONNA FOOL OL' PROFESSOR FLICKER! YOUR CHARACTER SYMBOLISES EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH MODERN SOCIETY AT LARGE: GOING THROUGH LIFE WITHOUT ENGAGING YOUR BRAIN, FOOTBALL-PLAYING, WAR-FIGHTING, JOGGING, AND SUCCEEDING IN BUSINESS WITHOUT REALLY TRYING, WHILE THOSE AROUND YOU WHO CARE ABOUT HUMANITY LOSE THEIR LIMBS OR DIE OF AIDS, AS IF CONSCIENCE WAS A CARDINAL SIN IN TODAY'S WORLD! WHAT KIND OF A MESSAGE IS THAT?!"
 
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A lot of great films from world and mainstream cinema, have been mentioned in this thread. The more films you can lay your hands on the better. There is no substitute for experience. I believe one should give the cinema of nations other than US and India, a fair chance. The clout of these two nations in the world of cinema is far more than the actual worth of the films being made here. Sure, a lot of great cinema may be happening here, but a lot of great cinema is also happening in Argentina,Brazil,Columbia,Mexico,Spain,Italy,France,Germany,Hungary,Poland,Russia,China,Japan,Iran..... Denying yourself the opportunity to watch films from different parts of the world would amount to LAZINESS OR LACK OF CURIOSITY.

Japan has a great tradition for making path breaking cinema. The classic Japanese films are fairly easy to comprehend. Some famous Japanese directors are Akira Kurosawa, Yasujiro Ozu, Kenji Mizoguchi and Shohei Imamura. Chen Kaige and Zhang Yimou from China, Wong Kar Wai from Hong Kong and Abaas Kiarostami from Iran are some other good directors with an 'eastern' sensibility.
 
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Among the European directors mentioned in this thread, Tarkovsky, Bergman, Bela Tarr, Miklos Jancso, Alain Resnais, Robert Bresson, Jean Luc Godard, Michelangelo Antonioni and Luis Bunuel could be termed as 'difficult viewing'. If somebody had the time,inclination and access to art house films, then perhaps, a timeline sequence would be an interesting way to go about watching cinema.

1920-1940
Sergei Eisenstein
Carl Thedore Dreyer
Fritz Lang
Charlie Chaplin
Marcel Pagnol
Jean Renoir
Jean Cocteau

1940-1950
Vittorio De Sica,
Pier Paolo Rossolini
Kenji Mizoguchi
Marcel Carne
Alfred Hitchcock
Orson Welles

1950-1960
Akira Kurosawa
Satyajit Ray
Francois Truffaut
Claude Chabrol
Federico Fellini
Yasujiro Ozu
Rene Clement
Elia Kazan

1960-1980
Andrzej Wajda
Claude Berri
Rene Clemente
Rainer Werner Fassbinder
Werner Herzog
Volker Schlondorff
Shohei Imamura
Adoor Gopalakrishnan
Elia Kazan
Martin Scorsese
Stanley Kubrick
Robert Altman

1980-
Istvan Szabo
Abaas Kiarostami
Chen Kaige
Zhang Zimou
Emir Kusturica
Wong Kar Wai
Bernard Tavernier
Lars Von Trier
Michael Haneke
Tom Tykwer
Ken Loach
Krzysztof Kieslowski
Krzsztof Zanussi
Roman Polanski
Carlo Saura
Pedro Almodovar
Alejandro Innaritu
Cristian Mungui
Abdellatif Kechiche
Mahamat Saleh Haroun

By no means a complete or definitive list. Merely a drop in the ocean of cinema. A quicklist of exciting cinema from around the world. Many of these directors were, or have been active for many decades, therefore their films span a much broader timeline than the simplified one I have resorted to.The 'difficult' directors are among the greatest.I feel they are 'essential' viewing for every cinephile, when he/she is ready to take them on :)
 
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