Classic Plinth Designs

Effective Plinth designing is an Art in my opinion.

Can we have FMs post pictures, technical details and working instructions on Custom Design Plinths they have made for their TTs. Even share diagrams/blue prints for TTs that do not have templates available on the internet.
 
Kenwood was one of the only few cos. to use special material for plinths.
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Plinth made of Glass, stone powder bonded with resin.
Regards
 
Effective Plinth designing is an Art in my opinion.

Can we have FMs post pictures, technical details and working instructions on Custom Design Plinths they have made for their TTs. Even share diagrams/blue prints for TTs that do not have templates available on the internet.

I have made several plinths. But I have learnt from experience that it is best to make a plinth by a carpenter taking layer by layer measurement if you are planning to make one from plywood or MDF for players like Garrard 301,401, Lenco L 75 or Dual 1019 or similar players. For belt drive players like Thorens 125, it is much easier and a plinth design can be more useful
 
Thanks for sharing this Sir.

Marine Plywood is considered the best for building multi layered plinths. Now one question I had is once the plinth is complete and for the finial finish is only Veneer recommended? Can the Marine Plywood be polished to give a good natural finish without using Veneer?

Any thoghts on the above?
 
Hi,

I did some background work on the interior's materials and costing etc about 18 to 20 months back.

My understanding is that it is very difficult to get a good polish finish on the plywood.

Plywood surface is very ruff, you have to do rubbing, then have to apply 1 coat of primer then 2 coats of putty and again 1 coat of primer and the final paint. you can find more out about lacquer paint. Further the mentioned paint will need very careful handling etc. Carpentars prefer mdf for lacquer paint.

Best will be to go for veneer on the plywood or go for teakwood plinth.
 
Thanks for sharing this Sir.

Marine Plywood is considered the best for building multi layered plinths. Now one question I had is once the plinth is complete and for the finial finish is only Veneer recommended? Can the Marine Plywood be polished to give a good natural finish without using Veneer?

Any thoughts on the above?

when you do a multi layers its good to do a composite layer with Ply and MDF. it damps a wider range of frequencies ..this is for TTs which need Mass.
 
Marine Plywood is considered the best for building multi layered plinths.

The most popular plywood used for plinth building is Baltic Birch. The multi-layered plinth for my Thorens TD 124-I is made of Baltic Birch ply.

Personally, I would love to do a composite of baltic birch plywood, aluminium, panzerholz, acrylic and MDF with a polymer or rubber-based damping layer to make it a true constrained layer damping (CLD).


Now one question I had is once the plinth is complete and for the finial finish is only Veneer recommended? Can the Marine Plywood be polished to give a good natural finish without using Veneer?

One can choose one of three things:
1) veneer it like the photo by Allen on the page shared by arj
2) polish/varnish/wax it like the photos by AndrewL or Aron on the page shared by arj
3) paint it with automotive paint - there are quite a few examples on the LH page.
 
The most popular plywood used for plinth building is Baltic Birch. The multi-layered plinth for my Thorens TD 124-I is made of Baltic Birch ply.

Personally, I would love to do a composite of baltic birch plywood, aluminium, panzerholz, acrylic and MDF with a polymer or rubber-based damping layer to make it a true constrained layer damping (CLD). .

Totally with you. I would love to do a Birch+ Aluminium + MDF + Glass or Acrylic top plate for a CLD

Would have loved a slate base but not sure if it is available in india

in the LH photos by favourite is by Basite and endrik35 . gzanias 2nd one is fantastic..
 
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+1 Some Automotive paint examples from Lencoheaven

So what is it gonna be for your Lenco? Just make sure that you don't make two mistakes I made:

1) top layer of plinth must be 10 mm. I used 12 mm, so top plate does not couple to top layer of plinth. I either need to change top layer or use dynamat type damping layers as filler to couple tightly.

2) if you're going to use a non drop-in arm, better not use the arm hole. With the existing arm hole, all you get is about 210 mm of mounting distance. Most 9 inchers have mounting distance of 220-224 mm. So you will be off by a good 10 -13 mm. I am drilling a new arm hole with 223 mm mounting distance as reqiuired for my arm.

You can pluck some low hanging fruits:

1) oil the bearing after a cleaning

2) oil the motor too. Dismantling - I feel - is slightly advanced level DIY task.

3) Replace idler wheel spring with rubber band

4) damp idler wheel lever

5) earth motor chassis, top plate and arm ground to common point and use that as ground lead from TT to phono stage.
 
Hi Joshua,
Thanks,I will need your help when my Lenco arrives.That person has dismantled everything,so bearing and motor service is on top priority.I am going to follow same plinth design you forwarded to me,so that I can use different arm boards.

Regards,
Sachin
 
Thanks for sharing this Sir.

Marine Plywood is considered the best for building multi layered plinths. Now one question I had is once the plinth is complete and for the finial finish is only Veneer recommended? Can the Marine Plywood be polished to give a good natural finish without using Veneer?

Any thoghts on the above?

The best would be to apply putty and plain it and cover it with veneer as I did on the Dual 1019. You can also get to finish withou using veneer. I have done it on my Garrards. It was done by a professional painter . so I don't reallyy know how he did it
 
good points mentioned in this article in relation to the Garrard 301


A Word about Plinths
The choice of plinth design and materials is critical to the ultimate performance potential of Garrard 301. A little history and learned lessons from other hot-hoovin' Garrarderos might come in handy, particularly if you want to fabricate your own plinth. As part of this series of articles on the 301, I intend to provide free plans on how to build your own killer plinth on the cheap if you are so inclined.


Back in the olden days, the usual way to mount Garrard 301s was right into the top of a stereo console or counter top. In the last 50 years, people have learned a lot about making high-performance plinths for Garrard 301s. I'll share the results of the fruit of their labors with you, from the worst to best sounding.


Reputedly, the worst sounding plinths for Garrards are layered MDF with heavy damping. What works well for other tables -- damping with lead shot for example -- spells death for Garrards. It is said that damping of any kind undermines the performance of Garrards by sucking the life out of them to produce a boring and lifeless sound. The Japanese actually have a theory regarding Garrard 301s. It says that one should consider the modulations that occur at the interface of record and needle as miniature "explosions". Everything possible should be done to preserve the transmission of that explosive event all the way through the table. You definitely don't want to do anything in the plinth that could damp those "explosions". Simply put, damping Garrards is a curse that guarantees bad sound. Of course to kill vibration with damping sounds very logical but with Garrards, it's sonic suicide. So avoid MDF and any kind of damping like the plague. What works on belt-driven turntables doesn't work on idler-wheel-driven turntables like the Garrard at all.


The second-worst plinth style is said to be the box plinth. The plywood box that my Garrard came with is certainly the worst of the worst in box plinths. A sturdy Birch-ply box designed according to the template in the Garrard manual would certainly be much better, with hardwoods being better yet. Having said that, the mighty Garrard with even this style of plinth can sound extremely good but connoisseurs claim that you'll only enjoy about 50% of what a Garrard 301 is capable of with the best of plinths.


The Birch-ply stack plinth is considered to be a very good sounding base for the Garrard 301. In this style of plinth, layers of Birch ply are glued together with cutouts in each layer that are just big enough for the motor assembly to fit into. For the last 30 years, this has been the most common design used in Japan and the rest of the world to get contemporary good sound from a Garrard 301. There are some pretty straightforward ways of doing this cheaply to get about 80% of what the Garrard is said to be ultimately capable of.


The solid layered Cherry Shindo plinth is considered to be the ultimate sonic treat. It is said that the opening in the plinth fits around the Garrard motor assembly like a glove. While quizzing Jonathan about the Shindo plinth size, he told me that the Shindo plinth is actually not too large. "It comfortably fits the 301 with a 12" arm. The overall size of the Shindo plinth is 550 280 440 mm WxHxD and it weighs 26.5 kg." It sits on a base that measures 550 140 440 mm WxHxD. Ken Shindo has spent about 30 years perfecting his plinth design and materials choices. Trial and error and lots of saw dust later, the Shindo plinth is reportedly the best one on Earth. Two people who've heard it told me that "it will simply blow your mind". The Shindo Cherry plinth with a machined steel arm board cut for a Shindo or Ortofon 12" arm retails for $3800.


The original article: 6moons audio reviews: Garrard 301 Restoration Project
 
While I would love to have a Shindo plinth, it will not be possible to afford one . So the next best option is to build your own if you have the right guys to help. Fortunately, I had a carpenter, who loved to do such work and my technician who loved his work too. So with these guys, I made a few plinths and loved the experience. I did not try anything fancy but made all the plinths using the best quality marine plywood and the most satisfying plinth made so far is the plinth for a Garrard 301 made in such a way that except the moving parts, everything else was fully covered. The end result was so satisfying .
 
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