Help for a Sansui Stylus SN 50 of TT FR D3

[Sumanta]

Nah, I just feel that the price you've paid for the 95E does not justify the premium over the 5625, that's all

For 5625, I am getting a headshell of AT too.

 

[prakashsubbanna]

Hi Sumanta,

What is the turnaround time for the delivery of Cartridge from Grabmore..?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prakash_subbanna/

 

[greenhorn]

For 5625, I am getting a headshell of AT too.

I didn't understand that.


I meant

The CN5625AL costs 1.9K, the 95E costs 3.7K. the latter is not twice as better as the former. And if you were planning to spend that sort of money, you could have spent a bit more and bought a shure or better

 

[sachu888]

I didn't understand that.


I meant

The CN5625AL costs 1.9K, the 95E costs 3.7K. the latter is not twice as better as the former. And if you were planning to spend that sort of money, you could have spent a bit more and bought a shure or better

AT95e is very much comparable with any cart costing $100. It costs only $42 including shipping on ebay.com. I don't know Indian retailers prices.

Regards
Sachin

 

[Sumanta]

Hi Sumanta,

What is the turnaround time for the delivery of Cartridge from Grabmore..?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/prakash_subbanna/

Turnaround effectively is 20 ~ 25 days. I can confirm once I receive it.

 

[Sumanta]

I meant

The CN5625AL costs 1.9K, the 95E costs 3.7K. the latter is not twice as better as the former. And if you were planning to spend that sort of money, you could have spent a bit more and bought a shure or better

I see now what you meant. This is what happened when a novice takes her/his first step.

I didn't know CN5625AL is that good. Thanks for your guiding.

If I can sustain in recordplayer and records, I will be definitely having two headshells for interchangeability. So, I will be buying above cart sooner or later.
Please keep on educating me on styluses and cartridges.

 

[Sumanta]

AT95e is very much comparable with any cart costing $100. It costs only $42 including shipping on ebay.com. I don't know Indian retailers prices.

Regards
Sachin

Hi Sachin,
What about hassles in importing it? How is your experience? This fear alone forced me to go for getting it from grabmore.

 

[sachu888]

Hi Sachin,
What about hassles in importing it? How is your experience? This fear alone forced me to go for getting it from grabmore.

I never had any problem importing, as I told you earlier too. Indian prices are much higher for HiFi related things.

Regards
Sachin

 

[greenhorn]

I see now what you meant. This is what happened when a novice takes her/his first step.

I didn't know CN5625AL is that good. Thanks for your guiding.

If I can sustain in recordplayer and records, I will be definitely having two headshells for interchangeability. So, I will be buying above cart sooner or later.
Please keep on educating me on styluses and cartridges.

naah, the AT95E is a better cart. No point in going back. My point was that for a beginner, you are better off buying the cartridge equivalent of an alto - there is still a learning curve for you. You've bought the equivalent of en eon.

It is indeed better for some people, but mainly in that it has better highs. It might not matter to everyone. I prefer carts with solid low end. If you don't end up using new or NM/VG records, it might not make a difference.

generally in audio, I look at things from an ROI perspective before buying, and more often than not, it is never justified.
My cheapest TT cost a tenth of my most expensive, and the difference in sound is not 10x. Same for cartridges too.

 

[jls001]

The best upgrade you can make in turntable playback, all other things being constant, is in a better cartridge. I am talking from personal experience. I've tried 10-12 cartridges.

So, Sumanta, you are on the right path. Don't get any buyer's remorse. And don't saddle yourself with an inferior cartridge.

Sorry for my contrarian advice, but it is not always possible to look at things from cost-effectiveness PoV alone.

 

[peace_sells]

I'm still using my first TT and first cart (CN5625AL). I know it's a very low end cart but somehow I liked it a lot more than m97xe (which I sold). Though separation wise the 97xe was slightly better. I've already bought Nagaoka MP-110 (which simply blew me away when I listened to it) as a replacement. Waiting for my friend to get it from the US

 

[reubensm]

Yes and to add to that, one's ears are always the best judge, definitely not online reviews

Also don't look to buy on low price point alone. In audio (just like with everything else), its all about value realization from investment. For example, if a further $200 investement is going to improve your listening pleasure by about an extremely small margin, then you can do better by re-visiting your decision to indulge or not Probably a $60 investment instead of a $15 investment will get you close at a lesser price point. I used this logic sometime ago when I was using an Audio Technica AT90 cart and wanted to upgrade. The contenders where (1) Shure M44-7 @ $50, (2) Shure M44-7 with OEM Technics Headshell @ $65, (3) Shure M97xe @ $85, (4) Ortofon Red @ $165. I chose option-2 and could not have been happier with the results My judgement was confirmed later on when I actually got to own the M97xe and gave it away as I did not like the way it sounded

 

[Sumanta]

Thank you all for all your input out of your experiences.

I want to invest 30% of my investment capability to get 70% of achievable output (limit of achievement is limited by my knowledge and listening experiences). I have seen investment of 80% gave me 85% output where that additional 15% was mostly unnoticed by my self.

I could have here invest even 10% to get 50% but then only 50% output here could probably create a negative impact on my experience.

And it is not the double amount which bothered me, it is the difference of 1900 that made me put that extra.

At the same time, I felt reading your posts that the cartridge CN5625AL is good cart for my case of purchase-ability limit and will be the next cart someday later. Something tells me now that I am going to enjoy records for long long time. So more player and cartridges are the way to go. It mostly is the case for you all too, right?

Edit: added third paragraph.

 

[Sumanta]

I have ordered CN5625 too from Grabmore. And surprised to see that it was available in stock in India. So, hopefully I am getting it today or tomorrow.

I should have ordered it first and then would have listened through it by now.
My parents are going back to Kolkata day after tomorrow. My mother wanted to listen to records again. I hope I can fulfill that wish tomorrow.

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions, information.
I am yet to buy a proper phono stage, but will live with a cosmic amp for now, for satisfying mother's wish and my impatient ears.

 

[Sumanta]

I have got CN5625 ahead of AT95E although I ordered the former one just 10 days back and 95E some 25 days back.
5625 was in stock with Grabmore Kerala office.
I can't wait and work in office now. Feeling like taking a day off to mount it on the headshell and listen to those records.

One thing to point out against grabmore is that they are pretty slow. Instock item took 10 days to reach. Item once received by them takes two days to go out of their office to a courier. I literally expedite them like a parent to a bad student to get things going.
AT95E is somewhere in the road between me and their Kerala office at this moment. They are quite slow in updating status in their site as well.

 

[Sumanta]

With all this effort, when at last on Friday I connect new cartridge, the TT sound horrible. It didn't sound in one channel, sound with too much shrill sound, bloated tear out basses. In short horrible. It has huge earth related bass hisses.

All in all a frustrating start.

Now it is time for the trekking part of the story.
Will update as it progress.

 

[jls001]

The penance and persecution of the analoghead to attain salvation is a long, lonely and tortuos road

Take an extra pair of warm socks along

 

[Sumanta]

The penance and persecution of the analoghead to attain salvation is a long, lonely and tortuos road

Take an extra pair of warm socks along

Yes, I have tent as well :yahoo:.

 

[Sumanta]

At last, the Sansui TT poured out music yesterday night.

It was having a local made pre-amp stick-built which was root cause for all noises.
The moment we threw it out, sound came out afresh.

I can not thank Lifewater enough for what he did.

One thing I learnt is, TT is mostly Physics, common sense prevail there. And it is simple, precise mechanical harmony of machines.
Cartridge and stylus are truly the composer - singer duo, so one should choose them knowingly.
Thank you Pranjal (Lifewater).

I played Mehdi Hassan (Live), there were noises out of record, but the living feel of the mid sounds, specially Naushad ji's and Hassan saab's different tone of voices were superb!

My main intention of having a record playing system is to hear rather old somgs which are hard to come by in good recordings.
I have realized that getting the best out of record is a tough job.

So, here too I will stick to my 30 rupees invest and 70 rupees return philosophy.
Clean records, Open baffle speakers, mid and high through SET amp, good styluss and cartridges will be my 30% input in money and 50% of effort.

Thank you all here for bringing me into the world of Records.
Without audition at Manish's place, audition at Koushik's house, and all your passionate writing about records, I wouldn't be enjoying time through music.

 

[lifewater]

At last, the Sansui TT poured out music yesterday night.

It was having a local made pre-amp stick-built which was root cause for all noises.
The moment we threw it out, sound came out afresh.

I can not thank Lifewater enough for what he did.

One thing I learnt is, TT is mostly Physics, common sense prevail there. And it is simple, precise mechanical harmony of machines.
Cartridge and stylus are truly the composer - singer duo, so one should choose them knowingly.
Thank you Pranjal (Lifewater).

I played Mehdi Hassan (Live), there were noises out of record, but the living feel of the mid sounds, specially Naushad ji's and Hassan saab's different tone of voices were superb!

My main intention of having a record playing system is to hear rather old somgs which are hard to come by in good recordings.
I have realized that getting the best out of record is a tough job.

So, here too I will stick to my 30 rupees invest and 70 rupees return philosophy.
Clean records, Open baffle speakers, mid and high through SET amp, good styluss and cartridges will be my 30% input in money and 50% of effort.

Thank you all here for bringing me into the world of Records.
Without audition at Manish's place, audition at Koushik's house, and all your passionate writing about records, I wouldn't be enjoying time through music.

Come on Sumanta da, you dont need to thank me. I am just carrying forward the baton that I got from few of the forum members.

The very information that you were able to get music out of the TT with help of my meager knowledge gives me a HIGH which I cannot express.

Enjoy your TT and dont forget to carry the TENT which you mentioned hyeah: with you.