How often do you find Norge 1000s on sale, compared to other expensive amps

[pupupuchi28]

Over last 4-6 months I have come to know thousands of music lovers who own Norge 1000 or their other line of amps. But how often have you come across a person, who is willing to part away with it. Search internet for sale of Norge 1000 or may be 2060 and see how many you find.

Comparatively, how many Nads, Marantz, Denons exchange hands?

I guess these amps have been there for over a decade now, but not even 100 sellers over internet. Strange but true

Or how many forum members are willing to part away with it for a decent deal?

 

[koushik]

The reason is clear to me. People on tight budget buy Norge, Pulz and Sonodyne. (No offense taken, I myself is on tight budget). So they don't sell their products often. I bought my FS way back in 1999, didn't bother to think of changing it. Recently upgraded SA6000 PA with an used SiA 102r (both Sonodyne) (Bhala ho uus admi ka jisne isko becha )

 

[pupupuchi28]

Point taken but there are numerous HFV forum members whos signature carry these little, so called 'budget amps' along with some really good mid order audio gear. This logic does not hold good for them, I guess.

PS: I'm not here for a debate but just trying to understand the perspective of people who own them and why they don't sell them once they move up the ladder.

 

[Audiodoc]

There are two types of people.

1. Who sell their previous goodies and move up the ladder.

2. The keepers who move up the ladder but keep their previous gear for a different / nostalgic sound signature.

Say I have the creative EP630 from 6 years even though I hardly use it. I also have the Senn HD202, M2, RE ZERO, S4, Senn HD650. I like the mids of M2, mids and highs of RE-ZERO, bass of S4 but mostly listen to my hd650.

Similarly I use the modded norge 1000 whose mids I prefer to the other amps I have heard even the entry and mid budget marantz ones.

If you open most amplifiers you will find their circuits quite straightforward and the actual cost of the electronics is a small fraction of their off the shelf price. You pay for the brand name, r&d and warranty. Thats why I believe that DIY is the way to go as far as amps are concerned.

Try a few modded NAIM clones from ebay. You can duplicate a 50K amp for 5-6K.

 

[koushik]

To Both: I agree to most of your points.

There are two types of people.

1. Who sell their previous goodies and move up the ladder.

2. The keepers who move up the ladder but keep their previous gear for a different / nostalgic sound signature.

The questions remain-why the sellers sell Marantz, Denon, Nad often? And why Keepers keep Norge.

 

[Santy]

Its quite simple. Those who buy NAD, Marantz, etc by and large have higher budget than norge owners. When they upgrade they lose 20 to 30% which they can absorb. Whereas norge owners when they sell theirs, apart from losing on value, they also need to add lots of additional money when they have to upgrade to say nad, Marantz, rotel etc. Also norge is fairly competitive to mnc brands that are roughly twice the cost. If someone brought norge at Rs. 12k, they won't find a major improvement with amps costing 25k. Hence they have to wait, save more for something significantly bigger. So they tend to keep it longer. Like me.:d


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[doors666]

To Both: I agree to most of your points.



The questions remain-why the sellers sell Marantz, Denon, Nad often? And why Keepers keep Norge.

I guess the logic might be that when one sells these amps, it can generate some revenue for their next purchase, but buy selling a used norge, the cash inflow wont be much, so might as well keep it, might come in handy for a 2nd system one day.

 

[abracher9]

Its quite simple. Those who buy NAD, Marantz, etc by and large have higher budget than norge owners. When they upgrade they lose 20 to 30% which they can absorb. Whereas norge owners when they sell theirs, apart from losing on value, they also need to add lots of additional money when they have to upgrade to say nad, Marantz, rotel etc. Also norge is fairly competitive to mnc brands that are roughly twice the cost. If someone brought norge at Rs. 12k, they won't find a major improvement with amps costing 25k. Hence they have to wait, save more for something significantly bigger. So they tend to keep it longer. Like me.:d


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I think this is true

 

[marsilians]

Over last 4-6 months I have come to know thousands of music lovers who own Norge 1000 or their other line of amps. But how often have you come across a person, who is willing to part away with it. Search internet for sale of Norge 1000 or may be 2060 and see how many you find.

Comparatively, how many Nads, Marantz, Denons exchange hands?

I guess these amps have been there for over a decade now, but not even 100 sellers over internet. Strange but true

Or how many forum members are willing to part away with it for a decent deal?

So whats your point?

 

[hemantwaghe]

Over last 4-6 months I have come to know thousands of music lovers who own Norge 1000 or their other line of amps. But how often have you come across a person, who is willing to part away with it. Search internet for sale of Norge 1000 or may be 2060 and see how many you find.

Comparatively, how many Nads, Marantz, Denons exchange hands?

I guess these amps have been there for over a decade now, but not even 100 sellers over internet. Strange but true

Or how many forum members are willing to part away with it for a decent deal?

1) Thousands ---- wow - exactly how many? In how many years? Do you have Norge's monthly sales? Wow you must be having good grip over numbers??
Point is you are ove exaggerating.
2) For how long you are observing the ads? i mean for sale by owner , and other portals? BTW Norge appeared time and again,and least couple of times was available for longer time ( 2-3 months) so not lapped ASAP as you thought.
3) Being in used market I can say that there is far bigger demand for vintage japanese amps than norge or any indian one. And Indian stuff loses it's value fast.

so what is your take? and please can you give any proof for "thousands?"

 

[Vijay_s]

I personally prefer Norge over NAD. I had a NAD 326BEE paired with PSB B6, sound signature of NAD was far inferior to Norge or even HTIB 3300 on stereo mode.

 

[reubensm]

I guess the logic might be that when one sells these amps, it can generate some revenue for their next purchase, but buy selling a used norge, the cash inflow wont be much, so might as well keep it, might come in handy for a 2nd system one day.

I would tend to agree with this one...

 

[reubensm]

1) Thousands ---- wow - exactly how many? In how many years? Do you have Norge's monthly sales? Wow you must be having good grip over numbers??
Point is you are ove exaggerating.
2) For how long you are observing the ads? i mean for sale by owner , and other portals? BTW Norge appeared time and again,and least couple of times was available for longer time ( 2-3 months) so not lapped ASAP as you thought.
3) Being in used market I can say that there is far bigger demand for vintage japanese amps than norge or any indian one. And Indian stuff loses it's value fast.

so what is your take? and please can you give any proof for "thousands?"

don't think Norge sells in thousands...actually my brother and I both considered Norge and even spoke to Mr. Bajaj before deciding to go with NAD as not just the sound but the overall build quality was better. with regard to the easy availability of NADs, there is a huge inflow of 2nd hand NADs from the far east into India, there are lots of seconds sellers who procure these in non-working, semi working or working condition and refurbish and resell in the Indian market. People tend to buy them, try them out, use them for some time and pass them on. This approach is not applicable for Norge. Anyone who knows the pre-used audio market will know that Hongkong is the source for a lot of NADs, Sonys, Technics, Akais, etc

 

[hemantwaghe]

don't think Norge sells in thousands...actually my brother and I both considered Norge and even spoke to Mr. Bajaj before deciding to go with NAD as not just the sound but the overall build quality was better. with regard to the easy availability of NADs, there is a huge inflow of 2nd hand NADs from the far east into India, there are lots of seconds sellers who procure these in non-working, semi working or working condition and refurbish and resell in the Indian market. People tend to buy them, try them out, use them for some time and pass them on. This approach is not applicable for Norge. Anyone who knows the pre-used audio market will know that Hongkong is the source for a lot of NADs, Sonys, Technics, Akais, etc

Also Mumbai market is stuffed with a lot of Foreign Returns - where you can get amps from end user - esp people returnd from Gulf and Far East...

 

[jenson]

never thought of selling my pulz amp... matter of fact, no matter how much i want to spend money and buy some flashy amp costing a lakh...i always in the end get attracted to Indian Brand.. for me it's more of pride. i love the look on my freinds face when i tell them my system is 100% Indian Make..

to answer OP.. i dont think there is a generalized answer for it. opinions cannot be based on only those who wish to sell a certain product. like all rightly poinsted out, it would be redundant to keep an expensive amp lying in the corner when you are going for an upgrade.

 

[pupupuchi28]

Santy: When they upgrade they lose 20 to 30% which they can absorb. Whereas norge owners when they sell theirs, apart from losing on value, they also need to add lots of additional money when they have to upgrade to say nad, Marantz, rotel etc. Also norge is fairly competitive to mnc brands that are roughly twice the cost. If someone brought norge at Rs. 12k, they won't find a major improvement with amps costing 25k. Hence they have to wait, save more for something significantly bigger. So they tend to keep it longer.

Sounds impressive!

Doors666 : Good perspective!

Marsilians: I dont have a point on this. As I mentioned earlier, Im trying to understand the thought process of people who own it, especially from the one who own both Norge and mid order amps. As of now I dont own any stereo amp

Hemantwaghe:
Thousands ---- wow - exactly how many? In how many years? Do you have Norge's monthly sales? Wow you must be having good grip over numbers??
Point is you are ove exaggerating.
2) For how long you are observing the ads? i mean for sale by owner , and other portals? BTW Norge appeared time and again, and least couple of times was available for longer time (2-3 months) so not lapped ASAP as you thought.
3) Being in used market I can say that there is far bigger demand for vintage Japanese amps than Norge or any Indian one. And Indian stuff loses its value fast.

From your questions I can sense, you have assumed too many things about me, my views and my perception. Cant help buddy.

One interesting point of view is there is a member who owns it just because its an Indian brand.

Just to clarify: Read between the lines I have come to know thousands of music lovers who own Norge 1000, it doesnt say a monthly sales figure of 1000 amps.

 

[sound1]

I guess the logic might be that when one sells these amps, it can generate some revenue for their next purchase, but buy selling a used norge, the cash inflow wont be much, so might as well keep it, might come in handy for a 2nd system one day.

You hit the nail on the head :thumbsup:

 

[Shivam]

I personally prefer Norge over NAD. I had a NAD 326BEE paired with PSB B6, sound signature of NAD was far inferior to Norge or even HTIB 3300 on stereo mode.

I have found NAD to sound better with Wharfedale speakers rather than their own PSB.

However if it sounded as bad as you have stated then there must have been something wrong somewhere.

 

[Shivam]

Over last 4-6 months I have come to know thousands of music lovers who own Norge 1000 or their other line of amps. But how often have you come across a person, who is willing to part away with it. Search internet for sale of Norge 1000 or may be 2060 and see how many you find.

Comparatively, how many Nads, Marantz, Denons exchange hands?

I guess these amps have been there for over a decade now, but not even 100 sellers over internet. Strange but true

Or how many forum members are willing to part away with it for a decent deal?

This seems to be a simple case of low number of Norge amps in the market than other companies and so consecutively less number of Norge amps on sale that you might have noticed.

Norge amp has very low resale value and so it doesn't make sense selling it.

 

[square_wave]

I personally prefer Norge over NAD. I had a NAD 326BEE paired with PSB B6, sound signature of NAD was far inferior to Norge or even HTIB 3300 on stereo mode.

I think there is some serious mismatch or a broken C326bee !

An HTIB sounding better than a NAD C326bee plus a PSB speaker..wow