Is Subwoofer must along with 3-way towers???

[docguha]

hello to all....

i want to setup a stereo/audio component....it is a simple set up(i dont want 5.1 HT setup)....what i've in mind is------1)player, 2) amplifier (av receiver/integrated) and 3) a pair of 3 way floor standing(tower) speakers....

now for my confusion...do i need a sub woofer to get the proper sound along with the 3-way towers....

or should i buy a pair of 2 way towers...and add a sub with it....

i'm very confused with this idea....pls...the esteemed members....give me some advice/suggestion...

just to brief....what should be the ideal setup(its only for audio purpose in my 200sqft living room)...what is the basic funda????does a 3 way tower need a sub....

regards..
arindam...

 

[hifi]

Hi,
Ideal setup is like holy grail .

The quality of a speaker is not decided by the number of drivers, but by many things including but limited to enclosure, cross-over, drivers......

Since you want this setup only for music, you can look for a good bookshelf or a good floor stander depending on the budget. You can always add on a sub.

As a general rule, Bookshelves outperform floorstanders of similar cost especially on the lower side of the budget.

You can add the sub now or later depending on the budget. A speaker will never really replace a sub.

There is vast wealth of information available in the forum as previous posts regarding selection of stereo setup, bookshelves, stereo amps etc. You can go through them to get more information.

 

[Bluu]

+1 ^

A good tower speaker will fill your 200sft room easily without a sub. Thats not to say that a sub will not add more low level punch but typically, its quite difficult to match a sub musically with speakers. In an HT, a sub is easily integrated but not so in a stereo rig.

If you tell us your budget, suggestions for quality speakers can be made.

Cheers!

 

[iaudio]

A subwoofer will supplement a good stereo system provided it can keep pace with the main speakers for music. And therein lies the catch, such subwoofers are hard to come by/expensive/ have to be made by trial and error through DIY etc. So it is not an easy solution.
It also depends on what kind of music you listen to. For music involving most normal instruments( read non electronic) a good pair of floorstanders would do the job just well. And adding the budget alloted for the sub woofer, you can buy a better pair of main speakers.
Also, as hifi mentioned, bookshelves at a price point generally provide better quality than FS, please figure in the cost of the stands, low end extension etc too before you make a decision.

 

[haisaikat]

I would suggest that whether you need a sub or not should be determined only after you have used your system without sub for a few weeks / months at least so that you understand all the tweaks and settings regarding bass settings. After that you should start looking at the sub setups at shops. If you can persuade a paid demo of any of the subs at your own home then nothing like it. Try to play around with the settings of the sub / amp adjusting crossovers, etc and in the with your eyes closed shut off the sub and turn back on when some music / movie is playing. If the difference is noticable then even with your eyes closed (hoping someone else is turning the sub on-off) you will be able to say that there is a difference in audio perception and you do not know where the change is happening in the room (sound difference).

 

[GeorgeO]

I think for starters you need to spend some time auditioning gear and better understanding what the responses to your opening post mean!

 

[shershah]

hello to all....

i want to setup a stereo/audio component....it is a simple set up(i dont want 5.1 HT setup)....what i've in mind is------1)player, 2) amplifier (av receiver/integrated) and 3) a pair of 3 way floor standing(tower) speakers....

now for my confusion...do i need a sub woofer to get the proper sound along with the 3-way towers....

or should i buy a pair of 2 way towers...and add a sub with it....

i'm very confused with this idea....pls...the esteemed members....give me some advice/suggestion...

just to brief....what should be the ideal setup(its only for audio purpose in my 200sqft living room)...what is the basic funda????does a 3 way tower need a sub....

regards..
arindam...

hi arindam,

depends on what kind`of recordings you will use on the system - if you will listen to indian classical/old hindi film songs/carnatic - you do not need a subwoofer -

but, much of the music recorded today is artificially enhanced by (digital) electronics - and for reproduction of such music - a subwoofer is a must - and the subwoofer has to be as fast as the lower mid-bass of the main floorstanders - (so, one is talking about expending a lot of money)

regds

 

[baijuxavior]

hello to all....

i want to setup a stereo/audio component....it is a simple set up(i dont want 5.1 HT setup)....what i've in mind is------1)player, 2) amplifier (av receiver/integrated) and 3) a pair of 3 way floor standing(tower) speakers....

now for my confusion...do i need a sub woofer to get the proper sound along with the 3-way towers....

or should i buy a pair of 2 way towers...and add a sub with it....

i'm very confused with this idea....pls...the esteemed members....give me some advice/suggestion...

just to brief....what should be the ideal setup(its only for audio purpose in my 200sqft living room)...what is the basic funda????does a 3 way tower need a sub....

regards..
arindam...

I wonder why some members are not satisfied with a single full stop. May be their hand brakes need to be serviced

 

[shershah]

I wonder why some members are not satisfied with a single full stop. May be their hand brakes need to be serviced

it is said that logs of wood in the fireplace need space between themselves to burn well - just as a hot (newly married) human couple(male-female) need breathing space for the marriage to work-

just so, perhaps, docguha wants his words spaced enough - enough to burn an impression in the reader's mind? -

well, hehe

 

[baijuxavior]

it is said that logs of wood in the fireplace need space between themselves to burn well - just as a hot (newly married) human couple(male-female) need breathing space for the marriage to work-

just so, perhaps, docguha wants his words spaced enough - enough to burn an impression in the reader's mind? -

well, hehe

Welcome back:clapping:

 

[iaudio]

Shershah,Baiju It seems to be a similar thing with thread titles! Somehow people think putting umpteen question marks after the title will effectively convey the gravity of the quandary they are in

 

[rohit3192]

@Docguha:
That is your choice.What you like most? Get clue from some Hi-fi system you owned or listened (Hi-fi with 2-way or 3-way speakers).
Also,whether your integrated amp has sub out?
Though you will get good sound from quality 3-way speakers BUT 2 bookshelf speakers(2-way for high frequencies and mid frequencies) and 1 sub will give you more satisfaction and more quality sound.Some time back I auditioned Yamaha CD player+ Marantz stereo amp + only two bookshelf and for private listening sound was rich and full.If you are short of budget you can add sub later.

 

[iaudio]

Rohit, how will he drive passive subwoofer?

 

[GeorgeO]

When an oracle like Shershah speaks, we all listen with respect! Good to hear your voice!

 

[docguha]

it is said that logs of wood in the fireplace need space between themselves to burn well - just as a hot (newly married) human couple(male-female) need breathing space for the marriage to work-

just so, perhaps, docguha wants his words spaced enough - enough to burn an impression in the reader's mind? -

well, hehe

and to all the knowledgeable members....
first of all i wanted a very simple suggestion.....n it was pretty much clear in the subject....well some esteemed members thought otherwise.....thats my mistake.....i think this forum is not for a novice/beginner like me...

actually i want to make a simple sound system setup....i wanted to know the diff b/w a 2 way n 3 way speaker....n how to get n effective sound out put with or without a sub....

well not a single reply was related to that issue...only @iaudio n @haisaikat...gave some kind of sensible answer to my query...

thats it...
regards..
arindam

 

[captrajesh]

and to all the knowledgeable members....
first of all i wanted a very simple suggestion.....n it was pretty much clear in the subject....well some esteemed members thought otherwise.....thats my mistake.....i think this forum is not for a novice/beginner like me...

actually i want to make a simple sound system setup....i wanted to know the diff b/w a 2 way n 3 way speaker....n how to get n effective sound out put with or without a sub....

well not a single reply was related to that issue...only @iaudio n @haisaikat...gave some kind of sensible answer to my query...

thats it...
regards..
arindam

Hi Arindam,

There is wealth of information in the HFV archives which could have given you the information you are looking for. Also, the posts by Hifi, Bluu, Georgeo, Shershah (1st post) and Rohit3192 had a thing or two of 'sensible' advices. I'm surprised that you found nothing sensible in them.

No offenses mate but don't expect members to spoon feed you; since you are looking for information, you need to do some hard work (of searching the forum threads)

No effective suggestion can be given without you listing out the following info:

Room size in L x W x H (not in sft)

Is it a living room (with a lot of furniture) or a dedicated listening room (which is usually sparse in furniture)

What are your listening preferences? Mid range dominated music like Jazz, Carnatic etc or Bass heavy Rock etc.

How much is your experience / exposure level in Mid / Hi fi? Suggestion to a rank novice would be different to someone with reasonable experience. You can't feed a baby protein suppliments for him to get instant 6 packs, right?

And last but not the least, your budget. (There are some more q's which can always be brought up later)

Cheers


Rajesh

 

[baijuxavior]

and to all the knowledgeable members....
first of all i wanted a very simple suggestion.....n it was pretty much clear in the subject....well some esteemed members thought otherwise.....thats my mistake.....

Don't get upset. Our remarks were not about your question, but the way you wrote it. To be frank, it is very irritating to read with a lot of dots (....) between the words. No offense meant.

i think this forum is not for a novice/beginner like me...

I'm too a beginner. Infact this forum helped me a lot to increase my knowledge in AV related things. Just browse through the relevant threads and you will get your answer. Take your time to get acquainted. To me HFV is like a family.

actually i want to make a simple sound system setup....i wanted to know the diff b/w a 2 way n 3 way speaker....n how to get n effective sound out put with or without a sub....

well not a single reply was related to that issue...only @iaudio n @haisaikat...gave some kind of sensible answer to my query...

thats it...
regards..
arindam

I agree with captrajesh's reply:

There is wealth of information in the HFV archives which could have given you the information you are looking for. Also, the posts by Hifi, Bluu, Georgeo, Shershah (1st post) and Rohit3192 had a thing or two of 'sensible' advices. I'm surprised that you found nothing sensible in them.

No offenses mate but don't expect members to spoon feed you; since you are looking for information, you need to do some hard work (of searching the forum threads)

 

[Bluu]

and to all the knowledgeable members....
first of all i wanted a very simple suggestion.....n it was pretty much clear in the subject....well some esteemed members thought otherwise.....thats my mistake.....i think this forum is not for a novice/beginner like me...

actually i want to make a simple sound system setup....i wanted to know the diff b/w a 2 way n 3 way speaker....n how to get n effective sound out put with or without a sub....

well not a single reply was related to that issue...only @iaudio n @haisaikat...gave some kind of sensible answer to my query...

thats it...
regards..
arindam

Arindam,

Firstly, you need to relax. Everyone here will help you. A little bit of ragging is bound to happen. A lot of members here know each other for a long time and will indulge in banter.

Second, if you read carefully, most of us have given you valuable advice. You must remember that anything you buy has to suit your ears and your pocket. Expecting someone to be able to magically suggest the perfect system for your tastes, room dimensions and budget is a little naive.

All the other members can do is share their experiences with you. So, in a nutshell, if you can afford it, a good 3 way tower speaker will almost certainly not need a sub-woofer, long as you set it up properly. Actually, the same is true for a 2-way speaker system as well. It's not only the speaker that determines what the finished setup will sound like. The associated electronics, room dynamics, placements etc are all active partners in the final sound reproduction. I have speakers with a single driver and I have to stuff towels into the bass ports to bring the bass under control!

Read through all the other threads and keep posting your questions here. Also, read the replies carefully. Some may be a little OT but in most cases, you will get sensible replies.

In parting, always remember to trust your ears more than any review or recommendation.

 

[docguha]

well thanx for all the valuable suggestion,i tried to search all the threads in the speaker section,but there was no info regarding my query,still my query is half answered.i guess there is a logic/principle behind every setup,forget bout room dimension,furniture,living room,type of music, budgetary etc.which no one explained.i wanted a simple explanation.but the esteemed members went too far.well i dont want to be spoon fed or develop six packs in a baby.still hoping to get my doubts clear.regards

 

[drkaushik]

Since you are a beginner, I would suggest you go for a integrated amp with FLS of your choice after auditioning with your favourite CD's.
In minimum budget, that I can suggest would be a NORGE amp with Norge FLS(good Bass response) with a CA/Marantz CD player(low end ones).
You can also try Sonodyne 2605V2 which is a 3 way tower with Yamaha amp/Sonodyne SPA202 amp.
Don't buy a sub unless you feel you need one.The problem with a sub is that for music you need a very quality sub which is musical.They are expensive like Riel,SVS, HSU.Most subs integrate well with HT but not with music.
If you are a bass freak which I think you are then buy FLS with 6.5 inch woofers minimum.FLS will give more bass then bookshelves.
But remember quality sound comes from loudspeakers which can reproduce good midrange, which I personally feel.But your ears are the best judge.
Hope my suggestions are useful to you.