New Buisness: Network Attached storage

vaibhavyagnik

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Dear fellow Hifivision members,
Let me briefly introduce my self, I am an engineer and an avid computer lover. I love DIY, especially when it involves computers. I have built 4 systems till date. Recently i ran out of space on my HTPC cum gaming machine. This is when i stumbled upon the concept of a NAS. A few days of searching, i reached the conclusion:
1. NAS should have expandibility
2. NAS should be able to provide some level of redundancy if required
3. Low power consumption
4. Low cost
5. Support various transfer protocols over TCP/IP like SAMBA/CIFS, Bonjour, FTP, HTTP etc.
6. Headless is good. now need to attach keyboard, mouse display, thus saving cost.
7. Provide scheduled email messages to send emails about NAS health status
8. the components should be readily available in market

I did some research on ebay and found that the lowest NAS were 1 TB network enabled HDDs from iomega and some other vendors. The lowest true NAS is NAS 110 from seagate retailing at about 11000 bucks

The advantage:
1. Comes with configuration software
2. Designed to run out of the box
3. professional looking
4. headless
5. Low power
6. Supports all the above mentioned protocols

The disadvantage:
1. NO expandibility. 2 TB means 2 TB. no expansion as only a single drive bay available
2. No redundancy as no RAID possible
3. As you add features like multi bay, expandable, cost increases prohibitively
4. Configuration software does not always work


This reasons compelled me to build my own NAS. Now i want to offer this functionality to others as well, minus the disadvantages of professional NAS (high cost if expandable, if cheap then there is no expandibility)

My business model:
A. Ask the prospective customers about their needs
e.g:
1. budget
2. existing network at their work/home and their components, configuration
3. likely number of devices the NAS is going to cater to
4. Storage space required
5. Level of redundancy required
6. offer support and solution

B. Give a cost effective solution for the above needs
C. If customer gives a nod, ask for a token deposit
D. Prepare and configure NAS. List it on ebay
E. When customer pays full amount, deliver the NAS
D. Establish shares on customer network through team viewer (physical connections should be done by customer.

In case of hardware failure, customer will be responsible for taking to respective service centers and claim warranty. As the hardware will be bought off the shelf, each component will have individual warranty. The components will be intel/amd processors, generic RAMS, high quality PSUs/ Generic MOBO etc. software will be linux or freenas according to need.

In case of software failure/new feature addition (creating a new share) will be done through remote support (teamviewer).

How does the above model sound to you all?

Request you to give your valuable suggestions.
You can even put your wishlists NAS features over here.
 
I will get this moved to the HTPC section.

I have a couple of questions. Are you providing the hardware (or cabinet) or just the software. Is there a limit to the size one can get to with your NAS. I am already nearing 6T, and would most probably cross 12 TB by this year end. I am sure Srini must be far ahead of me? :)

Cheers
 
Hi Vaibhav,
Good initiative. Specially the customer-centricity bit stuff like custom-built and offering support via team-viewer. Most people stay away from NAS because of the technicalities like RAID types etc.

Some features that I would look for in a NAS are:
1) Small carbon footprint i.e., low power consumption
2) Small form-factor
3) Hot swappable disks
4) USB 3.0
5) Gigabit LAN

Every other feature can be managed through software since it is custom built:
DLNA, no RAID, DDNS etc.
 
I am providing a full fledged NAS (hardware + software). The customer will not have to make any adjustments from his side.
Srini just PMed me with his killer requirement, after hours of research, I have chalked out a configuration which can go upto 36 TB, with 3 TB hard disks, i.e 12 SATA ports. I think that must me enough for most users :-)
Venkat, can i know your configuration? I am curious.
 
dear vaibhav

i am on a look out for a redundant data storage and after some research of NAS and RAID i decided that nothing beats making a backup of data (RAID has its own set of disadvantages...u know) so i want to back up my data on a home server like this. it has got all the specs as per my requirement, only dissapointment is the price :o . add customs and shipping (with issues related to it) and it costs a fortune if i import it.

can u make something similar to it? is it possible to get this kind of casing in india? am open to your expertise suggestion and willing to make changes in the model if it warrants so...

thanx in advance
 
dear vaibhav

i am on a look out for a redundant data storage and after some research of NAS and RAID i decided that nothing beats making a backup of data (RAID has its own set of disadvantages...u know) so i want to back up my data on a home server like this. it has got all the specs as per my requirement, only dissapointment is the price :o . add customs and shipping (with issues related to it) and it costs a fortune if i import it.

can u make something similar to it? is it possible to get this kind of casing in india? am open to your expertise suggestion and willing to make changes in the model if it warrants so...

thanx in advance

Will this do?
SilverStone Technology Co., Ltd.

This particular cabinet can house 2 3.5" hard disks. Can accommodate more with some modification to 5.23" bays. The rest of the hardware is pretty generic. will not be an issue at all.

Some questions from my side
1. What kind of RAID do you want? (RAID 0, 1, 5, RAID Z ?)
2. Do you want a system based on WHS only?
3. What will be the primary functionality? is it a NAS or do you want it to multi task also e.g rip DVDs audio CDs etc.?
4. What kind of storage space do you want AFTER RAID.
5. What is your budget?
 
Will this do?
SilverStone Technology Co., Ltd.

This particular cabinet can house 2 3.5" hard disks. Can accommodate more with some modification to 5.23" bays. The rest of the hardware is pretty generic. will not be an issue at all.

Some questions from my side
1. What kind of RAID do you want? (RAID 0, 1, 5, RAID Z ?)
2. Do you want a system based on WHS only?
3. What will be the primary functionality? is it a NAS or do you want it to multi task also e.g rip DVDs audio CDs etc.?
4. What kind of storage space do you want AFTER RAID.
5. What is your budget?

the model u suggested is more of a htpc cabinet. i want something similar to nas cabinet

answers for your questions
1. i dont want RAID at all
2. yes i need one with whs2011
3. primary functionality will be a NAS. i will hook this with a wireless router so that it can stream data to my popcornhour c-200 , xbox 360, laptop,psp vita(waiting to get released :licklips:) etc. so i dont need an optical drive, RAID card etc
4. am looking for 4-6 bay 3.5 sata (i may mix various capacity of hard disks..whs shows it as one big disk)
5. around 25000 excluding hard disks

extra requirements
small form factor (like mini atx)
gud cooling
usb 3.0 and e sata are welcome

thanx
[email protected]
 
Hey, What are the costs we are looking at to get something like this?

Can you provide a break-up or a tentative prices (pls do mention including or excluding the HDD's)
 
Some features that I would look for in a NAS are:
1) Small carbon footprint i.e., low power consumption
2) Small form-factor
3) Hot swappable disks
4) USB 3.0
5) Gigabit LAN

Every other feature can be managed through software since it is custom built:
DLNA, no RAID, DDNS etc.

No response to my requirement?:(. I am sure it is possible.
 
the model u suggested is more of a htpc cabinet. i want something similar to nas cabinet

answers for your questions
1. i dont want RAID at all
2. yes i need one with whs2011
3. primary functionality will be a NAS. i will hook this with a wireless router so that it can stream data to my popcornhour c-200 , xbox 360, laptop,psp vita(waiting to get released :licklips:) etc. so i dont need an optical drive, RAID card etc
4. am looking for 4-6 bay 3.5 sata (i may mix various capacity of hard disks..whs shows it as one big disk)
5. around 25000 excluding hard disks

extra requirements
small form factor (like mini atx)
gud cooling
usb 3.0 and e sata are welcome

thanx
[email protected]

I found this: Array R2 Mini ITX NAS Case w/ 300W SFX PSU - Fractal Design

Could not find it in india, ebay or amazon. I have contacted them directly and even a reseller. How ever i think you should go for a generic cabinet. Let me tell you why.

1. Generic cabinet, Low cost, easy availability more slots for adding hard disks at a later time
2. Will work with a standard PSU. The WHS that you have suggested has a power adapter (12 V, could not find current rating). What if it conks off? you will have to find a suitable replacement ( I know you are not buying this but this leads me to my 3rd point :) )
3. The small factor they achieve is due this power adapter, they need not house the power supply in the cabinet.
4. The cabinet you suggested has hot swap slots. I could not find any cabinet at that size that has hot swap slots. More over Hot swap is the feature of SATA controller of the motherboard. If the motherboard chipset supports AHCI and hot swap, you can open the cabinet, pull out the power of the relevant drive (be very careful not to plug out the wrong one) remove the hard disk. you will have some money going for a generic cabinet, may be you can get an extra hard disk from the money saved.
5. Moving on to WHS 2011, the license will be around 3-5K. why not go for something like freenas so that you save that money? ( if you are going to use the *ahem* version, then i dont mind :) ) FreeNas supports all protocols that WHS supports.
6. 25k is more than enough for the rest of the hardware.
7. Hot swap feature is best left alone.

Let me know what you think
 
No response to my requirement?:(. I am sure it is possible.

I did not realize it was a requirement. took it as more of a suggestion.

For your requirements, i would suggest AMD Fusion platform

As per your requirements:
1) Small carbon footprint i.e., low power consumption - idle power consumption of 24.2 watts, less than atom D510 and 33W under load
2) Small form-factor - its mini iTX
3) Hot swappable disks - its possible with AHCI set in bios
4) USB 3.0 - yup
5) Gigabit LAN - yup

Plus you get on board wifi N, 5 6Gbps SATA ports (vs 3 of zotac ion)

This NAS will set you back by approximately 14,000, without hard disks. Includes board, 4 GB DDR3 RAM, Corsair 400 CX (i know its overkill), Generic cabinet
 
Since everybody has different requirements and what they want their NAS to be and be capable of being in near future (:)), i will be posting some worked out configurations with cost. Feel free to comment

1. Budget configuration


Advantages:
1. Low cost
2. Enough for purpose of NAS
3. Supports DDR3 Memory
4. Small Form factor
5. Good looking
6. Gigabit LAN

Disadvantages:
1. Very Limited expandibiilty. Max capacity of 6TB with 2 3TB hard disks

Price: 23,000 + shipping at actuals.
 

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Vaibhav - Good initiative and Im interested in this as well. Please can I suggest you go with two standard configs. one basic/budget and another advanced. This way you wouldn't need to address all the diverse requirements and incorporate most of them into the designs.

P.S: Just curious to know if a Squeezebox server can be run on NAS?
 
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Hi
I have requested my brother to send me this mobo Newegg.com - ASUS E35M1-M PRO Fusion AMD E-350 APU (1.6GHz, Dual-Core) AMD Hudson M1 Micro ATX Motherboard/CPU Combo from US as one of his friends is coming down by this month end. What do you think of this mobo i am planning to use this with my NAS setup. I am also looking at this case Buy Sliver Stone | Silverstone Sugo Series. It has 2 3.5" hdd drive bays and the remaining 2 5.25" external slots can be modified to accommodate another 2 hdd. Its a small factor and also fits in my budget. So what do you think?
 
Hi
I have requested my brother to send me this mobo Newegg.com - ASUS E35M1-M PRO Fusion AMD E-350 APU (1.6GHz, Dual-Core) AMD Hudson M1 Micro ATX Motherboard/CPU Combo from US as one of his friends is coming down by this month end. What do you think of this mobo i am planning to use this with my NAS setup. I am also looking at this case Buy Sliver Stone | Silverstone Sugo Series. It has 2 3.5" hdd drive bays and the remaining 2 5.25" external slots can be modified to accommodate another 2 hdd. Its a small factor and also fits in my budget. So what do you think?

I have suggested this very same motherboard to santhol2. It is a great board for a HTPC/NAS. Essentially you are looking at a decent processor with 4 RAM slots, supports DDR3, has 5 SATA 6 Gbps ports, uses 24 Watts at idle. Absolutely fits the bill of a NAS. The case is also good. Best of luck for you venture
 
ok - what I am looking at is a single comp that can act as htpc, gaming machine and a NAS. Basically when htpc/ gaming is not in use, the power usage should drop to minimum while supporting NAS/ squeezebox server only.
 
A storage chassis from super-micro for SOHO purposes with customized open-filer on Linux platform all you need for a real long run storage solution for extensive media storage in home environment. I don't think hardware would cost you anything more then 40/45K with storage chassis (16 sas/sata). Depending upon your need keep populating one of the available drive bay ;-)

Regards .....
 
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