New Buisness: Network Attached storage

[xiro]

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Why? Can a IP be NOT configured without attaching to a network cable? with teamviewer i will be configuring the network and NAS through Freenas GUI from their computer. How is it different from me being on site?

So do you think people would be okay relying on you for managing their system remotely ? How would you ensure that their system don't get tempered and a given user's personal data end's up on wild internet. It's not an attack on your views, but I see many flaws in this business model you proposed.

Regards ....

 

[vaibhavyagnik]

So do you think people would be okay relying on you for managing their system remotely ? How would you ensure that their system don't get tempered and a given user's personal data end's up on wild internet. It's not an attack on your views, but I see many flaws in this business model you proposed.

Regards ....

Hey man, if you do not require configuration then its ok by me!!! teamviewer is not a back end thing were users will not know what am i doing. Users on both sides see the same thing and hence the client can see and interfere if required any time they want. ok wait...you haven't tried teamviewer right? try it with some of your friends. Its perfectly transparent.
If you see flaws, point em out!! you will be helping fellow members. don't just stop by saying there are flaws.

 

[deepakgang]

Ok. Everyone needs best bang for the buck. Lets not take things personally and constructive criticism is always good

I will try to tell what my requirements would be - it might fall into NAS or it might fall into HTPC with a big hard disk. I do not mind what it is called and these are in layman terms.


1. A storage space which can be turned on 24*7 primarily to use in my home network. I intend to copy all the FLAC files and Blu Ray rips on to it.

2. This needs to be expandable as I add more data, say I start with 3 TB and can go upto 12 TB in a couple of years time. I should be able to use my external hard drives as well.

3. My father who do not have much idea about booting up the PC and all should be able to play music from the shared location via my Squeezebox (when I buy ). So the squeezebox server should run on this.

4. My AVR can access movies over DLNA but might not support or play most of the formats. So if I can save some money to to access these files and output to my AVR (assuming the device sit near to my AVR) it will be awesome. All digital outputs and audio pass-through upto 7.1

5. I should be able to play music in my room while someone is watching a movie.

6. As this is going to be the only place the files are saved (only music and movies .. I do not intend to copy my docs .. for that I can use google docs free of cost and I do not work for RAW )


7. Can I access my music files over internet while I am abroad? It will be great!

8. Looks are not very important but the size if kept the minimum would suite me fine.



I have another question - if I have a Router and powerline network at home, will his setup work just at home if I do not have broadband enabled? I might have asked some silly questions - bear with my ignorance.

 

[sam9s]

First of all, for your rudeness, is there a lawbook which says its a NAS ONLY if it performs this many tasks? Even if there is a Lawbook, are you the judge?

Where did this rudness come form ...???? Just because I defy your version of NAS does the post become rude ...???? Guys was I rude in any manner in bringing out the differences ..... and its not me who is says is not NAS only, its you who proposed NAS, which I still say is more of a PC with share capabilities than a NAS. If you cant accept it, just say you gonna build a PC that can be used as HTPC and also can be used to share data. Dont bring NAS in between ......simple

Second of all, you are commenting on a OS (freenas) which as far as i know, you haven't used. Let alone used, i can go far as to say that you have not even visited their website and seen their features.

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lolzz ... I will just have a laugh and leave this, you are too immature to even realize what you are saying ....

The particular board suggested by me has 6 SATA 6 Gbps ports and 2 SATA 3 Gbps ports. In short 8 SATA ports for 8 hard disks. Also supports RAID 0, 1, 10, 5, JBOD. Hence High end.

You dont need 6gbps for a NAS, network bandwidth is of higher concern then HDD throughput......... as simple as that ......also you can get 8-12 sata ports in a much cheaper boards as well, no need to go for these latest z67ss or h55sss

Build this high end xeon server that you are talking about with 16 TB space in 62K and i will buy it from you!! by the way what config do you have in mind? i am curious. I am sure you will include a couple of seagate cheetah 15K drives, won't you?

A server does not need 16TB HDD ....lol ..... anyway I rather not comment

S.M.A.R.T - Freenas. Freenas has SMART monitoring and will send periodic email reports.

Yea I can see you now mentioning this when some instigation has creeped in ....lol, would you configure it to be able to monitor online as well. What model are you gonna use for this specific purpose ....

Why? Can a IP be NOT configured without attaching to a network cable? with teamviewer i will be configuring the network and NAS through Freenas GUI from their computer. How is it different from me being on site?

As I said you seem to be too immature to even know what you are saying and offering as well....... as a matter of fact........its not as simple as just putting up the IPss specially for the kind of actual NAS we are talking about here..............lol, but I can see where you are coming from ........



No hard feeling though, never said that you should not go ahead with your venture, but you got to be clear what exactly you wanna offer, an HTPC or a NAS or just a PC with a simple media server...... to be more precise, all I am saying that NAS is a bit more exclusive piece of hardware then what is been projected here and involves lot more then just adding shares .........

posts from Ginathom pretty much explains my similar thoughts ....

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

First of all, for your rudeness, is there a lawbook which says its a NAS ONLY if it performs this many tasks? Even if there is a Lawbook, are you the judge?
Second of all, you are commenting on a OS (freenas) which as far as i know, you haven't used. Let alone used, i can go far as to say that you have not even visited their website and seen their features.

Yes, he is commenting, and so am I. Rude? I don't think that either of us have been rude. And yes, a NAS is only a NAS: anything else is a server. Sell a high-specced general machine as an NAS, and really, you are underselling it! Start saying, oh, yeah... it's an htpc, an audio player and you can do your spreadsheets on it too and please... that's a PC.

Request you to give your valuable suggestions.

You asked!

<cross-posted with Sammy>

He talks sense. I don't know if he is an IT pro, but he talks like he has the relevant experience. I had 20 years experience: Unix admin, general PC and networking support, IT Management. I'm learning from what he is posting. We can all learn together.

 

[sam9s]

Ok. Everyone needs best bang for the buck. Lets not take things personally and constructive criticism is always good

I will try to tell what my requirements would be - it might fall into NAS or it might fall into HTPC with a big hard disk. I do not mind what it is called and these are in layman terms.


1. A storage space which can be turned on 24*7 primarily to use in my home network. I intend to copy all the FLAC files and Blu Ray rips on to it.

2. This needs to be expandable as I add more data, say I start with 3 TB and can go upto 12 TB in a couple of years time. I should be able to use my external hard drives as well.

3. My father who do not have much idea about booting up the PC and all should be able to play music from the shared location via my Squeezebox (when I buy ). So the squeezebox server should run on this.

4. My AVR can access movies over DLNA but might not support or play most of the formats. So if I can save some money to to access these files and output to my AVR (assuming the device sit near to my AVR) it will be awesome. All digital outputs and audio pass-through upto 7.1

5. I should be able to play music in my room while someone is watching a movie.

6. As this is going to be the only place the files are saved (only music and movies .. I do not intend to copy my docs .. for that I can use google docs free of cost and I do not work for RAW )

7. Can I access my music files over internet while I am abroad? It will be great!

8. Looks are not very important but the size if kept the minimum would suite me fine.

I have another question - if I have a Router and powerline network at home, will his setup work just at home if I do not have broadband enabled? I might have asked some silly questions - bear with my ignorance.

You need either an HTPC or a media server, not a NAS ..... and since I do not want ot give an impression that I am highjacking the thread or demoralizing the model that has been proposed here, I will let vaibhavyagnik to do the rest of the suggestion ..........

You do not need a broadband to do your LAN. Your setup will work just fine as far as it in the LAN without the broadband. For you point 5 (which BTW is the only point that confines to a NAS requirment) you would need a Broadband connection. (few other requirments as well) but I will let vaibhavyagnik take over from here .......

If any one want my suggestion, they can visit my HTPC thread presented in my sig. For NAS enquirers I request people to look out for my NAS exclusive thread (stil WIP) that would suggest a DIY for your NAS with actual NAS features ......

 

[deepakgang]

Probably Vaibhav can change the title to NAS+Media Server project ... to isolate the two. I do not know how many would need a NAS in its true sense for home usage. All over the internet I could see NAS/Media server used in the same context. May be we need a bit of both .. like email alert and RAID for selected data (?) and the ability to access files simultaneously from multiple PC's/Media Players

 

[naviworks]

Just because we have a mobo, proc and ram does not mean we mix the objectives of the machine.

why not???? sam9s jus tell me, if u buy a car wont you use it to drop your friend with some luggage to the airport? or will you buy a pick-up vehicle for that? then you should buy an ambulance for a visit to hospital, a true 4X4 for hill climbing and a caravan for transfers...wont u do a bit of all these things and still call it a 'car' ?

Without the HDDs the max spending one needs for a 24x7 running NAS should not exceed 10-12K. Even if you add some fancy accessories like LCD display ...and few others it should not at all cross 15K. That should be the upper limit.

you mean to say companies like qnap, synology and netgear are looting us only for the brand name?

....All these are the actual requirements of a NAS......not Bit streaming, or USB 3 or XBMC.Those are strictly HTPC requirement and NO you cannot or shall I say shoudl not make an HTPC and run it like a NAS......

so you should be filing a legal lawsuit against those companies who sell those machines with bit streaming, 6gbps or USB 3 under the name 'NAS'

because I defy your version of NAS does the post become rude ...???? Guys was I rude in any manner in bringing out the differences ..... and its not me who is says is not NAS only, its you who proposed NAS, which I still say is more of a PC with share capabilities than a NAS. If you cant accept it, just say you gonna build a PC that can be used as HTPC and also can be used to share data. Dont bring NAS in between ......simple

if you are feeling offended that vaibhav used the word NAS we can ask the moderator to change the name of the thread to New Business : a combination of motherboard,processor,harddisks and other components which can be configured to fulfill the requirements of the customer.....phew....i think you will kill the person who found the word 'compute'r because nowadays it not only computes but also show some movies and play games too...


finally gentlemen, vaibhav started the thread may be to help people like me who dont know much abt configuration and never bothered to open and see the inside of a computer (ya really, never felt the requirement...). not everybody is a pro like sam9s or Thad E Ginathom...so he should not be criticised for adding some masala, eventhough he couldnt deliver a product which in its classic sense resembles a NAS as per sam9s.

just my opinion...no hard feelings....peace

 

[naviworks]

how about the panache cabinet: Panache. I have talked with them. The cabinet is readily available. It can house 4 hard disks and its a mini ITX Form factor cabinet

vaibhav i really appreciate your work, i am in an effort to get the mobo and cabinet from US. so it may take some time....a month or so, (since i really luv the lian li cabinet) so kindly bear with me and if i couldnt get them, we will go ahead with the Panache cabinet as suggested by you...

 

[sam9s]

why not???? sam9s jus tell me, if u buy a car wont you use it to drop your friend with some luggage to the airport? or will you buy a pick-up vehicle for that? then you should buy an ambulance for a visit to hospital, a true 4X4 for hill climbing and a caravan for transfers...wont u do a bit of all these things and still call it a 'car' ?

Greate example ... cars, and computers ..... seriously no argument here. Let the audience decide. Ans I seriously do wonder if you at all got what I am trying to explain here.

you mean to say companies like qnap, synology and netgear are looting us only for the brand name?

Ever wonder why a branded computer is expensive than the assembled one. Do branded ones loot us ...... ??

so you should be filing a legal lawsuit against those companies who sell those machines with bit streaming, 6gbps or USB 3 under the name 'NAS'

Yes those are for people like you and other laymans for whom a NAS is a device that do bitstream, or use it just as a share drive ..... and it looks "cool" in the signature (mmm so he own a NAS), even though most of them would use it as a general PC share drive.

if you are feeling offended that vaibhav used the word NAS we can ask the moderator to change the name of the thread to New Business : a combination of motherboard,processor,harddisks and other components which can be configured to fulfill the requirements of the customer.....phew....i think you will kill the person who found the word 'compute'r because nowadays it not only computes but also show some movies and play games too...

No offence taken anywhere, and BTW the computer still does computes even when it plays movies and games ...... not a satisfying logic here..
And your sarcasm with the thread title doesn't state a thing, a NAS is a NAS and an HTPC is an HTPC. If the title states HTPC, you cant expect to recomend Xeon, even though a Xeon can also be used for an HTPC ....... ....... if this simple logic does not goes in to you, your loss.

finally gentlemen, vaibhav started the thread may be to help people like me who dont know much abt configuration and never bothered to open and see the inside of a computer (ya really, never felt the requirement...). not everybody is a pro like sam9s or Thad E Ginathom...so he should not be criticised for adding some masala, eventhough he couldnt deliver a product which in its classic sense resembles a NAS as per sam9s.

just my opinion...no hard feelings....peace

how did you come to the conclusion that I or any other criticized the venture. I think I mentioned its a great venture and should peruse it. Infact I was down enough not to mention or recommend anything from my end to deepakgang coz its vaibhav thread and his recommendations, and you say I am the villian here ...cheezzz .....but I do feel that the correct information atleast technically should be shared and the terminologies should be correct.

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

NAS + Media Server has become a product in its own right.

 

[deepakgang]

Is NAS+Media Server = HTPC? HTPC doesn't need to take care of huge data storage and make it available across the network etc.
An interesting discussion here

Sometimes you do not want the full features of one but like to use a bit of everything. It has all the hardware you need and you could install the software to make it work the way you want.

 

[anm]

I think we are too stuck to the NAME. Guys let people have what they want. If they want their comp to be serving files also on network, what is the itch?
Let us talk about NAS features that may be required/ missing in the configurations, costs etc instead of beating around the bush claiming to know more than others.

 

[vaibhavyagnik]

but I do feel that the correct information atleast technically should be shared and the terminologies should be correct.

.....also you can get 8-12 sata ports in a much cheaper boards as well, no need to go for these latest z67ss or h55sss

As I said you seem to be too immature to even know what you are saying and offering as well....... as a matter of fact........its not as simple as just putting up the IPss specially for the kind of actual NAS we are talking about here..............lol, but I can see where you are coming from ........

Agreed. Please correct your Signature to "i7 sandybridge powered PC" because sandybridge is the codename for second generation core processors :lol: i7 does not power sandybridge nor it is the "only" sandybridge!!

There is no such thing as a Z67. Its either Z68, a P67 or a H67. But still i feel the need to justify my choice of 880G based motherboard to other people. This board has 8 SATA ports. so if you are thinking expandability, this has got a quiet a headroom. Z68, P67 boards are very good boards and are aimed at enthusiasts who are looking to overclock their Sandybridge processors. z68 and p67 boards are 10K upwards, H67 (aimed at home users, costing around 6.5K) and almost all of them sport 6 SATA ports compared to 8 SATA ports of 880G based motherboard all the while remaining below 6K. Also the lowest sandybridge (core i3 2100) will cost something around 5.5K while i can pair this board with a Athlon II x 2 250 which just costs
2.5K. Thus the 880G based board provides support for huge storage all the while being economical.

The last comment about were i come from, My native is gujarat, by profession i am an engineer working with Reliance Industries limited. They have a division here at nagothane. Kya abhi bhi gawar lagta hu?:lol:

 

[xiro]

Agreed. Please correct your Signature to "i7 sandybridge powered PC" because sandybridge is the codename for second generation core processors :lol: i7 does not power sandybridge nor it is the "only" sandybridge!!

There is no such thing as a Z67. Its either Z68, a P67 or a H67.

But the last comment about were i come from, My native is gujarat, by profession i am an engineer working with Reliance Industries limited. They have a division here at nagothane. Kya abhi bhi gawar lagta hu?:lol:

I been seeing your posts and it seems you really are too immature in the field you are trying to delve into. You are talking about storage, let me tell you I work as a storage architect for one of the biggest Converged NIC company. And from my experience I told you in my previous reply that your business idea has lot's of flaw. But you amused me by your assumption about other person (you started teaching me teamviewer and what not).

You know I think you're a noob IT executive, who is getting too many shocks to handle alone so you are venting them out here.

This is my last post on this thread, it is wastage of time to share anything here.

Regards ....

 

[vaibhavyagnik]

And from my experience I told you in my previous reply that your business idea has lot's of flaw. But you amused me by your assumption about other person (you started teaching me teamviewer and what not).

You know I think you're a noob IT executive, who is getting too many shocks to handle alone so you are venting them out here.

This is my last post on this thread, it is wastage of time to share anything here.

Regards ....

But please dont leave before you point out the flaws!! I mean real flaws..Not something like what you are proposing is a HTPC or a file server. Something like sam pointed like SMART monitoring or back up. It helps me bring out the features in freenas. As far as IT is concerned, i am not an IT engineer, I am a instrumentation and control engineer who looks after Distributed control systems which control Plants, which churn out 5 crore/day profit for mukeshbhaihyeah: computers are my hobby.

 

[sam9s]

Agreed. Please correct your Signature to "i7 sandybridge powered PC" because sandybridge is the codename for second generation core processors :lol: i7 does not power sandybridge nor it is the "only" sandybridge!!

oh man how old are you BTW ....... i7 powered sandybridge does not mean that i7 is powering sandybridge ......hehe :lol: :lol: ... man .... ... the statement means I have a sandybridge (2nd gen as you stated) which is accompanied/run/powered/installed ...(how so ever you may put it,) by i7 (and not i5 or i3) in a similar manner I wrote "my XBMC powered HTPC" does that mean my HTPC is actually powered by XBMC ....lolzzz..... seriously man you have no idea what or whom you are dealing with ......I am actually feeling ashamed in explaining myself on these ............... are you even keeping a track what exactly is the point of discussion here ....

There is no such thing as a Z67. Its either Z68, a P67 or a H67. But still i feel the need to justify my choice of 880G based motherboard to other people. This board has 8 SATA ports. so if you are thinking expandability, this has got a quiet a headroom. Z68, P67 boards are very good boards and are aimed at enthusiasts who are looking to overclock their Sandybridge processors. z68 and p67 boards are 10K upwards, H67 (aimed at home users, costing around 6.5K) and almost all of them sport 6 SATA ports compared to 8 SATA ports of 880G based motherboard all the while remaining below 6K. Also the lowest sandybridge (core i3 2100) will cost something around 5.5K while i can pair this board with a Athlon II x 2 250 which just costs
2.5K. Thus the 880G based board provides support for huge storage all the while being economical.

there we go again .....z67, 68, a,b,c,d,1,2,3 ... .. blah blah blah what ever man.... it was a figure of speech I didnt event bothered to look what I typed .........where are we heading. If you dont have anything concrete to share/point out...........atleast stop nitpicking and getting your self (and to an extent me as well) embarrassed What I stated was we do not need any latest hardware offerings for a NAS to run and you give me the entire history of current gen mobos, what are you trying to proof here... ..... ...... this would be my end of discussion to explain things that are totally irrelevant ..... and is just used to shows I know enough ....... One last time, for a NAS you do not need any current gen hardware, and spending on it in a figure in excess of 15K is not justified specially for a HOME NAS. It does not even need to have a display man and we have monitor recommendations ...

 

[deepakgang]

friends - lets not take things personally which is not gonna benefit anyone. Im sure we all are experts in our own areas so lets help each other for our benefit
The reason why I was interested in this was because the commercially available home - NAS systems were expensive and had limited or no expandability in terms of storage. More over I am not a hardware person so if someone can make a cheap solution for me it will be great.

So going back to config 2 which had a bit of everything, Vaibhav - why don't you take up the latest challenges and provide a solution for some more NAS features. You could just provide a 2 TB storage and the customer can then go and add more. Give a competitive price and then probably all can debate about how reasonable it is

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

Cheers. I'm quite happy to quibble about technicalities, and stick to my guns on terminology, but I don't want to knock anybody's enthusiasm.

My points still stand: so does my encouragement!

 

[sam9s]

Is NAS+Media Server = HTPC? HTPC doesn't need to take care of huge data storage and make it available across the network etc. .

deepak no NAS+Media Server does not make it an HTPC. HTPC is Home Theater PC. A PC that is primarily used for A/V capabilities.But yes a NAS is a Media Server as well. Infact strictly speaking Media Server is not even a technically authentic definition. Its a vague term and should not be taken too seriously. Where as NAS, HTPC, Server, Client are definitive terms and actually mean something. AFA Media Server goes...... any machine that hosts Media which can be streamed or accessed via web server can be termed a Media Server. So you can make your HTPC a media server a regular PC as your media server. NAS already has almost every thing that a media server has......... so you dont need to actually do anything to your NAS make it act as a Media Server as such.