Oppo 93 - what are the negatives/ missing features?

will the image processing being used by oppo be surpassed by graphics card? which one?

ATI 6570 or NVIDIA GT440 should be more than enough. Straight out of the box, the ATI cards have better image quality. Ofcourse, with NV you have the option of using madVR with lavcuvid decoder which is currently the best quality output possible from a PC.
 
@ anm

Well first things first

For Blue Rays I do not think there will be much difference in the different players but the features where the Oppo will be hard to beat are :

1. Great Audio Quality - doubt you will need it if you have a nice CDP
2. Gr8 video upscaling - well nowadays we are migrating to blue ray or HD rips so not of much consequence
3. Build Quality is superb
4. Generally plays most of the common media formats (movies) and well most of the functions like zoom, jump, etc are all usable
5. Has a great DAC - well not of much use since we will be using the digital o/ps and bypassing the internal DAC.
6. Price will be like around - 35k best if you can get from the states with no shipping and taxes which will be considerably less.

So decide with caution................:yahoo:
 
will the image processing being used by oppo be surpassed by graphics card? which one?

Yes, but not for Bluray. There is not much processing done by PC for bluray source. Its 1080P, meaning, you are not scaling the resolution at all. Its a progressive source, so no de-interlacing is needed too. That's the reason all bluray players picture quality is almost same, if they output 1080p24.

The HTPC image processing comes into picture whenever you are scaling/de-interlacing the picture. Meaning, 720p, 480p and other sources than 1080p. You can also use ffdshow which has many many filters, each for de-interlacing, scaling, sharpness, deblock, noise reduction, colorspace correction etc. Gives lot of control and options. The bad thing is - with all these options, we are never done tweaking. Not to mention the updates, hardware driver updates and changes. ATI and Nvidia drivers are notorious to have one bug or the other. Read on forums about those before diving in. I have built the HTPC twice, used it for some time and gave up on it. I still have one my rack, rarely used now-a-days.

Another drawback of HTPC is playing Bluray discs. You have to use a third party software, and a nice sound card supporting the HD audio bitsteam. You will also need a MCE remote to control the interface.

What Oppo offers is very good upscaling which can be used on DVD/VCD sources and its a single package. Another option to image processing is many AVR's also have video processing. It may not be top notch, but can come close. Check if your AVR has some processing.
 
manoj.p said:
Yes, but not for Bluray. There is not much processing done by PC for bluray source. Its 1080P, meaning, you are not scaling the resolution at all. Its a progressive source, so no de-interlacing is needed too. That's the reason all bluray players picture quality is almost same, if they output 1080p24.

The HTPC image processing comes into picture whenever you are scaling/de-interlacing the picture. Meaning, 720p, 480p and other sources than 1080p. You can also use ffdshow which has many many filters, each for de-interlacing, scaling, sharpness, deblock, noise reduction, colorspace correction etc. Gives lot of control and options. The bad thing is - with all these options, we are never done tweaking. Not to mention the updates, hardware driver updates and changes. ATI and Nvidia drivers are notorious to have one bug or the other. Read on forums about those before diving in. I have built the HTPC twice, used it for some time and gave up on it. I still have one my rack, rarely used now-a-days.
Yup totally true! However the best option is to just find a driver that does everything for you and then not upgrade at all. I'm still on catalyst 11.6 even though there have been 2-3 driver releases since then.

Once it works, just setup all your software using the same driver and just stick with it. ffdshow is software based. One is better off using pixel shader filters instead for all those functions.

Another drawback of HTPC is playing Bluray discs. You have to use a third party software, and a nice sound card supporting the HD audio bitsteam. You will also need a MCE remote to control the interface.
Fusi
What Oppo offers is very good upscaling which can be used on DVD/VCD sources and its a single package. Another option to image processing is many AVR's also have video processing. It may not be top notch, but can come close. Check if your AVR has some processing.

Not true anymore! Buy any ATI 6 series graphics card or NVIDIA GT440 or 450 and you don't need a sound card anymore. The GPU bitstreams high def adio. The motherboard HDMI bitstreams high def codecs on many chipsets as well. In fact the onboard gpu on AMD fusion and Intel core i3 based setups also bitstream HD audio.

I agree oppo is a very good out of the box player but if you have the patience, you can get better image quality out of an HTPC than the oppo. Plus you can play absolutely any format without trouble.
 
Yes, but not for Bluray. There is not much processing done by PC for bluray source. Its 1080P, meaning, you are not scaling the resolution at all. Its a progressive source, so no de-interlacing is needed too. That's the reason all bluray players picture quality is almost same, if they output 1080p24.

I agree.

The HTPC image processing comes into picture whenever you are scaling/de-interlacing the picture. Meaning, 720p, 480p and other sources than 1080p. You can also use ffdshow which has many many filters, each for de-interlacing, scaling, sharpness, deblock, noise reduction, colorspace correction etc. Gives lot of control and options. The bad thing is - with all these options, we are never done tweaking. Not to mention the updates, hardware driver updates and changes. ATI and Nvidia drivers are notorious to have one bug or the other. Read on forums about those before diving in. I have built the HTPC twice, used it for some time and gave up on it. I still have one my rack, rarely used now-a-days.

Actually, with PowerDVD none of this is needed. It bitstreams both Dolby and DTS HD Audio in full glory without any issues. Just get your EDID done properly.

Another drawback of HTPC is playing Bluray discs. You have to use a third party software, and a nice sound card supporting the HD audio bitsteam. You will also need a MCE remote to control the interface.

PowerDVD bitstreams HD audio through the graphic card itself. I use a simple wireless mouse, but I suppose a remote would be more convenient.
 
Looks like I am behind on the HTPC curve. :)
With these developments, it sure does look easy playing bluray now-a-days.

Anyways, I gave up on PC long time back, because it was too much hassle playing everything smoothly and not family friendly. Bought a Panny BDT-210 player, a Patriot Box office and DVDO Edge for image processing (same chip as in Oppo BDP-83) Now, our little one can manage to play the discs on her own.
 
sorry, but are we saying it would make no difference to br if I use oppo or htpc? If that is true, why should I go for an HTPC and not oppo?
 
No, there will be almost zero difference to picture quality of BR between htpc and Oppo or for that matter any other bluray player. Where Oppo shines is playing non 1080p material and scaling it up.
 
I am looking at simplifying my system and making it easy for anyone else to use. HTPCs need special care, troubleshooting, start/ shutdown sequence, antivirus, OS license etc.
 
agree with dillhihifi...i have oppo bdp 83 and modified to play multiregion blu ray.
i play SACD and my stored movie collection which gets upscaled onto my hdtv.
Plays all my music formats.Been great product for me.
 
I am looking at simplifying my system and making it easy for anyone else to use. HTPCs need special care, troubleshooting, start/ shutdown sequence, antivirus, OS license etc.

and don't forget more wattage, heat and noise from the htpc. People have spent lot of time and money in making those cool n quiet.
 
Well if you plan any of the features i.e. use it as cdp / sacd player also, watch dvd with upscaling, etc go for the oppo otherwise for only blue ray playback and occasional media playback buy a blue ray player that can play the common media files off the poratable hdd with ntfs you will save money and will be happy with the product.
 
only feature I am looking at is video playback - through optical disk and hdd. I will keep stereo system separate. I am aiming at getting it from the US via some friend.
 
Sorry, If I am mistaken & not fully aware. Oppo is a homegrown chinese brand. Though its treated with respect in China, it is still like what ONIDA, Vediocon etc are in India. Can we really compare it to likes of SONY, PANA, Philips etc? Just an enquiry
 
Oppo is a Mountain View CA based company whose manufacturing unit is in Shenzhen China. For the video and audio quality of their BD player and previously DVD players they cannot be compared to Sony,Pana or Samsung because Oppo is that much better.
Hometheater magazine used to conduct a DVD/BD shootout amongst the brands and Oppo was the first ever company to score a perfect 100. As I have considerable experience designing video equipments including Oppo BD-93, I can tell you it is not easy to score more than 90 let alone perfect score.
 
ATI 6570 or NVIDIA GT440 should be more than enough. Straight out of the box, the ATI cards have better image quality. Ofcourse, with NV you have the option of using madVR with lavcuvid decoder which is currently the best quality output possible from a PC.

Yes I recently changed from onboard ATI to GT440 and immediately installed madvr with lavcuvid and the picture looks stunning on my hd ready sony bravia which was missing with ATI card. I can see the difference in the sharpness and the color reproduction. I watched the 1080p brrip of Aliens and it was damn awesome. With madvr the cpu consumption increased slightly i think 5% but its ok with the end result being so good.
 
is there an ipad app to control DLNA playback? Or playback from an HDD? Basically playback of HDD/ streaming media without switching on TV?
 
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