Power cables - am bewildered!

[kanwar]

Ok to summarize will the below be ok ?

Power cords do make a difference- although are a "bandaid" to which the root cause solution is a more Rubust Power Supply ?

When Power Supply design is FLAWED including components, Power Cables used to act as Band-Aids can make difference.

 

[keith_correa]

Thanks for a largely civil discussion. Thanks for all your inputs. Now watch out for my soon to be opened thread about interconnects

 

[kanwar]

Keith you have knack of opening such threads

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

Ok to summarize will the below be ok ?

Power cords do make a difference- although are a "bandaid" to which the root cause solution is a more Rubust Power Supply ?

I would put this way: Power cords MAY make a difference to equipment which have inadequately/poorly designed power supply units [topology??] and in the quality/design of the components used in that unit.

Here, for correction, is where this thread has brought my thinking (Thanks all!) so far...

• With a well designed amplifier power supply unit, different power cords would make no difference, but in the real world, those domestic-unit PSUs are often not good enough, and, in that case, power cords can make a difference --- and the difference can be an improvement.
  
• The differences necessary to make a difference are not complicated and nor do they require expensive or exotic components, although quality connectors will necessarily cost more than run-of-the-mill stuff.

Kanwar, about twisting... apart from the side-by-side cable contruction, often leading to one of those 2-pin 8 connectors, and used with cheaper equipment, just about every power cord I have ever had occasion to see the insides of (eg for plug changing) has got twisted conductors. This twisting is sufficient?

Anyway, I have to backtrack and follow a couple of links from this morning's posts. More to learn!

 

[asliarun]

Have look at this module in pics:

It depends on the application you need, one such module is rated at 2.5KW and is down scalable to 1000W.

Those look like hypex modules if I am not mistaken. I haven't heard them but have heard good things about them. Superb prices for the diy community too. Commercial offerings based on this technology are just starting to trickle in, from what I understand.

 

[keith_correa]

Keith you have knack of opening such threads

Oh, I try to open threads that are not about run of the mill stuff but about stuff with a twist [no pun intended]. But I've learnt my lesson. The next time, I will be using a lot of "bold" and "italics" to emphasize what I really want an answer on. Otherwise it has the potential to turn into a free for all.

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

Keith, please do not "learn your lesson!"

This has been (and may continue to be) a most useful thread. I have learned lessons, and changed some of my ideas about power cords. I used to think that all the non-standard ones were tarred with the same brush as the "exotics." Now I know better: there are snake oil cables, but not all cables are snake oil.

I'm very glad of that. Who knows what I might get out of your next thread

 

[kanwar]

Those look like hypex modules if I am not mistaken. I haven't heard them but have heard good things about them. Superb prices for the diy community too. Commercial offerings based on this technology are just starting to trickle in, from what I understand.

Sorry, You are highly MISTAKEN, there isn't a single thing from Hypex in those pics.

What you see is IN-HOUSE DESIGNED & ENGINEERED POWER FACTOR CORRECTION MODULES and CLASS-D AMPLIFIER by ZYPHER POWER LABS INDIA.


Zypher Labs is First Indian Pro-Audio company to make history by displaying its products in International shows across the world. There never been a single audio company to display the products at international level.

Messe Frankfurt Germany

Pro Light & Sound China


I don't know what made you call those as Hypex modules?

Hypex has NO know-how of designing PFC modules presently, there SMPS are regular ones, not even regulated.

Kanwar

 

[asliarun]

Sorry, You are highly MISTAKEN, there isn't a single thing from Hypex in those pics.

What you see is IN-HOUSE DESIGNED & ENGINEERED POWER FACTOR CORRECTION MODULES and CLASS-D AMPLIFIER by ZYPHER POWER LABS INDIA.


I don't know what made you call those as Hypex modules?

Hypex has NO know-how of designing PFC modules presently, there SMPS are regular ones, not even regulated.

Kanwar

Apologies! And thanks for clarifying, Kanwar. Teaches me not to make guesses.

When are you planning to release your products? Wish you all the very best, especially since you have put in so much thought and effort in design and development.

 

[denom]

Sorry, You are highly MISTAKEN, there isn't a single thing from Hypex in those pics.

What you see is IN-HOUSE DESIGNED & ENGINEERED POWER FACTOR CORRECTION MODULES and CLASS-D AMPLIFIER by ZYPHER POWER LABS INDIA.


Zypher Labs is First Indian Pro-Audio company to make history by displaying its products in International shows across the world. There never been a single audio company to display the products at international level.

Messe Frankfurt Germany

Pro Light & Sound China

Kanwar

Shameless self promotion !!! :clapping::yahoo::clapping: :lol:hyeah:

I just hope to lay my hands on atleast 1 amp from the stables of Zypher Labs ASAP!!! So lage raho kanwar bhai :thumbsup:

Jokes aside, pls speed up with the 'process' as you can see a few of us FM's eagerly waiting to hear & play with your amps.

 

[denom]

Keith,

Providing some more fodder, er cables related links for your next biopic thread

Debunking the Myth of Speaker Cable Resonance | Audioholics

Audioquest Cable Theories Exposed | Audioholics

Above link esp for Thad as it covers one of his favorite cable co's

 

[arj]

...
Zypher Labs is First Indian Pro-Audio company to make history by displaying its products in International shows across the world. There never been a single audio company to display the products at international level.

Messe Frankfurt Germany

Pro Light & Sound China
...

great to hear this...all the best !
All this Forex issues is an opportunity for Indian Manufacturers to make full use of.

 

[kanwar]

Thanxz for the nice words guys

As far as home audio products are concerned, definitely somethings are in pipeline.

 

[Santy]

HFV community seems to have matured quite a bit. Strange incidences seem to be happening of late; like almost all FMs settling with a common understanding on a much debated subject and a thread with such a controversial topic still alive (or unlocked). hyeah:

As far as home audio products are concerned, definitely somethings are in pipeline.

Yes Kanwar; please do keep us informed about "home hifi" products when they are rolled out. We do not really want to try your existing pro audio stuff like your 2000W amp only to see our modest home hifi speakers burn in flames. hyeah:

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

Audioquest Cable Theories Exposed | Audioholics

Above link esp for Thad as it covers one of his favorite cable co's

Oh YEAH! hyeah:

I will never buy anything from Audioquest, not even a Dragonfly DAC, which is probably quite decent...

 

[manoj.p]

Ok to summarize will the below be ok ?

Power cords do make a difference- although are a "bandaid" to which the root cause solution is a more Rubust Power Supply ?

It's this way. A good power cable will not improve the signal coming in any way. Garbage in, garbage out. It's that simple. The signal can only be made worse by a poorly designed/built cable.

As long as you have proper thick, sturdy cable, its good enough. Beyond that, its simple marketing and your mind playing tricks.

 

[keith_correa]

HFV community seems to have matured quite a bit. Strange incidences seem to be happening of late; like almost all FMs settling with a common understanding on a much debated subject and a thread with such a controversial topic still alive (or unlocked).

The maturity and understanding was always there. All it needs is someone to "moderate" and get things on track when things look to be getting out of hand. Unfortunately it doesn't happen in all threads. Persistance is key. Good things happen. Proof is this thread.

 

[keith_correa]

Oh YEAH! hyeah:

I will never buy anything from Audioquest, not even a Dragonfly DAC, which is probably quite decent...

Thad, the loss is all yours. The Dfly is a WONDERFUL product for the price.

 

[keith_correa]

Now, why are there so many smileys in the title? WTF?

 

[Thad E Ginathom]

The maturity and understanding was always there. All it needs is someone to "moderate" and get things on track when things look to be getting out of hand. Unfortunately it doesn't happen in all threads. Persistance is key. Good things happen. Proof is this thread.

It's not a perfect world, yet.

The bling-bling believers are suspiciously quiet here, and there are other areas in which some sort of sane conclusion is impossible because the whole basis is so absurd.

But hey, let's enjoy it while it lasts hyeah: