raspberry pi 2 as media player

@magma: by a "pro audio SC" do you mean a internal sound card attached to the mobo via PCI or PCIe?

Generally speaking of all the buses we're talking about (i2s, USB and PCI); i2s is the best performing. I2s is designed for audio data shuttling and because it facilitates direct contact of the processor and the data output interface, it is technically most proficient way to deliver a data stream for your DAC to convert.

Having said that, the keyword here is "implementation". A well implemented PCI may be better than a USB and so forth. The way the electronics are matched, placed, positioned, isolated, insulated, powered etc will play a huge role in determining the end result. In this regard; more often then not, the PCIe bus loses to USB and i2s. Don't get me wrong: a good PCIe SC may sound very good but still it has a bad noise floor (mostly due to improper placement and lack of insolation on a mobo) and thus hasn't earned it's respect among audiophiles.

The USB is the most successful and widely used audio interface and that's because of its flexibility. There are literally a gazillion devises which use the USB bus standard and thus it has seen the most R&D. The USB is also more coding friendly as thousands of libraries and repos are available at the devs disposal and hence software implementation becomes easier.

Now coming to your original question: I can safely say that the Pi USB sounds nearly 97%, if not 100% as good as my archphile linux PC with the RME HDSPe AIO SC (over spidf). The RME sound card I'm using is the older model without the DA converter. 3% is really not that bad considering the price difference.

My point is that if you have a good asynchronous external DAC, the audio performance won't differ much over USB, i2s or PCIe (given the PCIe is configured correctly. I took some tips from here: Solving Computer Audio Problems)

I'm still to try the hifiberry digi+, but since OSMC doesn't use the i2s profile without resampling, I'll stick to the USB for now.
 
^^ i concur
thats why i mentioned good pro audio stuf

Sc's like the hammerfall,lynx,juli and most EMUs have pretty good implementation and jitter correction
i have measurements to show the op of the EMU is hardly affected by a linear supply or a seasonic smps
 
Got IQ AUDIO DAC+, I tried with rune player, it is not readily recognising the card. I again installed with moode player. I could get audio out from DAC+. Audio quality improvement is there. Bass is clear even though i do not have dedicated sub, it was better. Further testing is under progress.
 
Got IQ AUDIO DAC+, I tried with rune player, it is not readily recognising the card. I again installed with moode player. I could get audio out from DAC+. Audio quality improvement is there. Bass is clear even though i do not have dedicated sub, it was better. Further testing is under progress.
Congratulations @Ravi.

Prior to PiDac+ what DACs have you used? How much is the improvement and in which areas?
 
I was on the lookout for a cheap DAC, with good performance, so I could have a more "audiophile" setup in all of the rooms I'm streaming music to with CCA. The basic idea/requirement was to move away from the DACs of AVRs and docking stations i.e. improve on the SQ, but also at a relatively "cheap" price.

The cheapest DAC that I've used and could live with is the Schiit Modi 2, but considering my use of CCA and needing optical Toslink input meant I needed the Modi 2 Uber. An expensive proposition at $149 considering the CCA costs $35 and has a decent DAC that performs better than budget AVRs, HTIBs, sound docks, etc. In other words I needed something that would improve the DAC of the $35 CCA, have Toslink input (ruling out the $99 Schiit Modi 2 as it has only USB input), and at a budget relative to the CCA. The Modi 2 Uber costs 4-5 times the CCA and that's without any import duties.

A Pi DAC seemed like a good option and since I've been hearing so many good things about it I placed an order for the IQAudio DAC. I also ordered another Modi 2 Uber. That still left me needing one more DAC for CCA (I've 4 of them).

Enter the SMSL SD793-II. Basically came across it on Amazon.com (lots of positive reviews) and Googled for some reviews and immediately came across this YouTube review - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-47_1TU9HY.

Pretty convincing if you watch the video and even more so for me as it has only Toslink and Coaxial inputs and no USB. A perfect fit for my CCA and at $62 probably the best match for a cheap DAC in terms of performance. Anyways at $62 it was a no brainer so I ordered one and had my SIL carry it over. It arrived on the 28th of March and so its roughly had around 10 days to settle in and burn in. I've been using it for around 4-10 hours roughly each day.

Anyways the results were apparent and impressive from day 1. It improves on the DAC of the CCA by quite a bit, as well as the DAC of my Onkyo AVR and the Sony sound dock. Detail clarity is excellent, placement is spot on as well as instrument and vocals separation for each speaker. Simply put it holds up very well against the Schiit Modi 2 Uber at less than half its price (I honestly cannot find anything lacking other than the Schiit sound that I'm used to). Excellent value for money and as a standalone DAC it will improve just about any onboard DAC like a PC or laptop soundcard, make even the TV sound very good. Its extremely neutral and does not color the sound in anyway and also is fatigue free as I've been listening to it for hours and from close quarters.

At $62 I honestly cannot find anything lacking in it... if fact I'd be agreeable to paying a lot more. It pretty much squashes more expensive DACs like Audioquest DragonFly and FiiO and you'd be hard pressed to find fault in terms of detail, placement and separation.

I've thrown everything at it from the likes of Yuvan Shankar Raja, Ilayaraja, A. R. Rahman to Blues like Keb' Mo', SRV, Alvin Lee, to symphonic rock like Queen, house music like Thievery Corporation, Lata, Kishore, and a lot more like Grateful Dead - Wake Up To Find Out with its many layered nuances, the SMSL held up very well. I did not feel anything was missing in music I've been listening to for a long time. Some lack in bass and soundstage, but not really a big deal as it was not much.

Of note, I did not have audio RCA cable and did not want to pull out from the main rig, so I'm making do with RCA video cables that I have and it still sounds great. I did order budget 2RCA to 2RCA cables that should be arriving soon, but in hindsight I should have ordered the likes of Blue Jeans Cable, Amazon Basics, or Monoprice along with the DAC.

Anyways an excellent DAC to consider, especially if you don't need USB audio. It punches and performs really well... like 5-8 times its budget. I've not heard many mid-budget DACs in the $500 price range, but the ones I've heard don't do anything different or more than this $62 DAC. Of course the caveat being limited to the DACs that I've heard.

If you are looking to build a budget system with the likes of Raspberry Pi, Chromecast Audio, then the SMSL SD793-II comes highly recommended. Even otherwise it will be perfectly at home even in more expensive setups.

I've not tried the headphone amp...
 
Is it ok to use mobile charger to power Raspberry Pi2? I have a Motorola charger which is marked with 5.1V, 800mA.
 
Is it ok to use mobile charger to power Raspberry Pi2? I have a Motorola charger which is marked with 5.1V, 800mA.

You can try it...
Without any wifi adapter , USB hdds, or add on cards it might just work
Have tried a 1a charger and it worked
 
I have been playing around with a few tweaks to other aspects of my setup and the sound has improved
Not by a huge margin but that few changes are too big for me because I have been able to make the overall sound more musical and fatigue free

For me that means the RPI and digi+ has great potential and I have yet to see its true potential as I have yet to add a linear supply and mainly its responding in a positive way to all the tweaks applied to the setup
 
Thanks for giving details about the power adapter. Today my new mobile is delivered and it has the fast charging option with a 2A power adapter. Used this to for connecting the Pi 2 and it worked well.

Just for testing loaded the NOOBS/Raspbian image. I could connect and browse files of a 32 GB pen drive, but when i connected my 1 TB USB powered WD Element hard disk, it was not working (i could hear the small tick-tick sound in the hdd and so disconnected).

Have to go through the forum in detail to setup further to be used as media player.
 
Thanks for giving details about the power adapter. Today my new mobile is delivered and it has the fast charging option with a 2A power adapter. Used this to for connecting the Pi 2 and it worked well.

Just for testing loaded the NOOBS/Raspbian image. I could connect and browse files of a 32 GB pen drive, but when i connected my 1 TB USB powered WD Element hard disk, it was not working (i could hear the small tick-tick sound in the hdd and so disconnected).

Have to go through the forum in detail to setup further to be used as media player.
I power my RPI 2 with 2 amp charger. When I connected my 1 TB segate powered HDD, it worked well.

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Thanks for giving details about the power adapter. Today my new mobile is delivered and it has the fast charging option with a 2A power adapter. Used this to for connecting the Pi 2 and it worked well.

Just for testing loaded the NOOBS/Raspbian image. I could connect and browse files of a 32 GB pen drive, but when i connected my 1 TB USB powered WD Element hard disk, it was not working (i could hear the small tick-tick sound in the hdd and so disconnected).

Have to go through the forum in detail to setup further to be used as media player.

The tick tick sound means that the hard disk is not getting enough power. You may want to try a Y cable for getting additional power to the hard disk
 
Thanks for giving details about the power adapter. Today my new mobile is delivered and it has the fast charging option with a 2A power adapter. Used this to for connecting the Pi 2 and it worked well.

Just for testing loaded the NOOBS/Raspbian image. I could connect and browse files of a 32 GB pen drive, but when i connected my 1 TB USB powered WD Element hard disk, it was not working (i could hear the small tick-tick sound in the hdd and so disconnected).

Have to go through the forum in detail to setup further to be used as media player.

You have to use powered USB hub. Or get a USB extension (If second USB cable is short). Give a power from TV's USB/USB charger.
 
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Goodness, excellent information here and some so deep, that it went over my head. I tried reading through, but had to give up midway.

A Simple question from my side. My music is currently being played from my Hard Disk via the USB port of my Bluray player. The Bluray player bitstreams the signal to my receiver. Would the Pi make a difference to the quality?

If yes, then I would get it right away and then explore its other advantages.

MaSh
 
The Pi is a terrific think which is yet to be implemented in its full potential.Now the pi as music server is going to be the future implementation.As pi 3 is released with wifi so its going to be a start I hope this year we can see lot of implementation and new products based on pi dac.

Just use linear power supply + pi +pi dac+ supporting os like runeaudio,volumio etc thats it
You have a great music server in your home and sound wise its fantastic you can control it via your phone.
 
Goodness, excellent information here and some so deep, that it went over my head. I tried reading through, but had to give up midway.

A Simple question from my side. My music is currently being played from my Hard Disk via the USB port of my Bluray player. The Bluray player bitstreams the signal to my receiver. Would the Pi make a difference to the quality?

If yes, then I would get it right away and then explore its other advantages.

MaSh

100%. I recommend it highly. Start with both moOde and MinimServer and see what works for you. The Pi itself is a winner.
 
Goodness, excellent information here and some so deep, that it went over my head. I tried reading through, but had to give up midway.

A Simple question from my side. My music is currently being played from my Hard Disk via the USB port of my Bluray player. The Bluray player bitstreams the signal to my receiver. Would the Pi make a difference to the quality?

If yes, then I would get it right away and then explore its other advantages.

MaSh
I have a bdp an pi both.

Pi alone might not make any difference.
Now, why I am saying this? Because my dac's USB implementation is not that great.

But when connected with digi+, I think it performed better in my chain. [emoji4]

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