Sony 47" W800A vs Sony 46"W950A

[just4kix]

Well i never said i trusted the salesman. Was just sharing my experience.
I mean, I doubt the salesman would be having even half of the knowledge of the TV, that we carry when go to buy one

Just kidding - back explanations not necessary. ??? ?? ?? ??, ???. :cheers:

 

[ssj4karan]

1) Movies to test black level: Black Knight rises, Harry Potter and the deathly hallows part -2, Sky fall (Shanghai sky scraper murder scene)

2) Animation such as cars-2

3) Sports channel (football) to test motion rendering and fast camera panning

4) Avengers 3D to test 3D

5) Always take good quality Blu Ray disk or high quality RIP.

6) Take your own sweet time for the demo. Best time is in afternoon - non rush hour

7) Ask the salesman to switch the picture setting to Cinema or something which is natural. Usually settings on the Demo sets are way to high to compensate for bright lights

Thanks for the suggestion.
Apart from chaning the pic setting to cinema, should i look to tinker with the other settings, or is that enough to get a fair idea?

Also if you have already done, could you share the scenes that i should look for in Dark Kinght rises and HP DH 2? This would save me loads to time

I really do want to try watching football on these sets, but most of the showroom don't have that facility of a DTH being connected to the TV. So miss that out. Any suggestions?

 

[ssj4karan]

Just kidding - back explanations not necessary. ??? ?? ?? ??, ???. :cheers:

Dil pe nahin liya dost

 

[sanjeevji]

Thanks for the suggestion.
Apart from chaning the pic setting to cinema, should i look to tinker with the other settings, or is that enough to get a fair idea?

Also if you have already done, could you share the scenes that i should look for in Dark Kinght rises and HP DH 2? This would save me loads to time

I really do want to try watching football on these sets, but most of the showroom don't have that facility of a DTH being connected to the TV. So miss that out. Any suggestions?

You can.Like switching off various image processing.
Live color creation should be set to low
Dynamic back-lighting to low.
Basic Idea is to have setting as close to what you would be using at home. The only issue is that with bright lights in the show room, picture may look faded. So you may request the sales person to switch off some light.
I will share the scenes from DKR and HP DH-2.
For games, you can take the content in pen drive.

 

[manzb]

Boy-o-boy... just went for few demos. Out of which, a multi retail and a Sony Centre. 55W950, is too good to be true. It just blew me away specially with the demo content. W800 good but pales in front of W950. The PQ, colour production etc are too good for W950. It's a winner all the way. Kudos to Sony for this one. Had got opportunity to compare W800 with 8000 series of Samy as well (side by side) along with WT & ET series Pana & an LG model. 800 & 8000 are almost producing similar PQ, though the colour production is a bit sharper in case of 8000. It's too crisp & vibrant. WT was also good, but not as good as 800 & 8000. But I don't know somehow the PQ of ET5D was more natural than all the others, but also a bit blurred. May be it is more to do with the settings.
So Overall
W950 is the king
Followed by Samy 8000 and very close W800
ET5D is the best VFM, considering that it is available sub 1 lac for 55 incher.
LG is just not upto the mark, just left it without even bothering to give a second look.

BTW, when enquired about Plasma with this multiretail (Vijay Sales), the salesman, told me that don't have any, plus tried to explain why plasmas are bad. Looks like they have stopped retailing it.

 

[ssj4karan]

You can.Like switching off various image processing.
Live color creation should be set to low
Dynamic back-lighting to low.
Basic Idea is to have setting as close to what you would be using at home. The only issue is that with bright lights in the show room, picture may look faded. So you may request the sales person to switch off some light.
I will share the scenes from DKR and HP DH-2.
For games, you can take the content in pen drive.

Thanks for the suggestion. The thing is, am not doing these things at this point in time as i still have a few weeks before making my final purchase. Would just not feel right for me to do all that stuff, and just leave.
Will do all of this when am actually going to buy the set hyeah:

Waiting for your revert on the scenes.

 

[ssj4karan]

Boy-o-boy... just went for few demos. Out of which, a multi retail and a Sony Centre. 55W950, is too good to be true. It just blew me away specially with the demo content. W800 good but pales in front of W950. The PQ, colour production etc are too good for W950. It's a winner all the way. Kudos to Sony for this one. Had got opportunity to compare W800 with 8000 series of Samy as well (side by side) along with WT & ET series Pana & an LG model. 800 & 8000 are almost producing similar PQ, though the colour production is a bit sharper in case of 8000. It's too crisp & vibrant. WT was also good, but not as good as 800 & 8000. But I don't know somehow the PQ of ET5D was more natural than all the others, but also a bit blurred. May be it is more to do with the settings.
So Overall
W950 is the king
Followed by Samy 8000 and very close W800
ET5D is the best VFM, considering that it is available sub 1 lac for 55 incher.
LG is just not upto the mark, just left it without even bothering to give a second look.

BTW, when enquired about Plasma with this multiretail (Vijay Sales), the salesman, told me that don't have any, plus tried to explain why plasmas are bad. Looks like they have stopped retailing it.

When comparing the W950 with the W800 were you watching normal/hd content or the triluminous demo disc?

 

[Dirac]

Yes. Its a valid point.
A triluminos demo disc would showcase the extended color space which we may not see in the regular broadcasts or bds.

Given the same content that preferably contains green landscapes and blue sky , how natural was w950 when compared to others. What I want to ask is whether the colours look natural or a madeup shade, especially blue.

 

[sanjeevji]

Boy-o-boy... just went for few demos. Out of which, a multi retail and a Sony Centre. 55W950, is too good to be true. It just blew me away specially with the demo content. W800 good but pales in front of W950. The PQ, colour production etc are too good for W950. It's a winner all the way. Kudos to Sony for this one. Had got opportunity to compare W800 with 8000 series of Samy as well (side by side) along with WT & ET series Pana & an LG model. 800 & 8000 are almost producing similar PQ, though the colour production is a bit sharper in case of 8000. It's too crisp & vibrant. WT was also good, but not as good as 800 & 8000. But I don't know somehow the PQ of ET5D was more natural than all the others, but also a bit blurred. May be it is more to do with the settings.
So Overall
W950 is the king
Followed by Samy 8000 and very close W800
ET5D is the best VFM, considering that it is available sub 1 lac for 55 incher.
LG is just not upto the mark, just left it without even bothering to give a second look.

BTW, when enquired about Plasma with this multiretail (Vijay Sales), the salesman, told me that don't have any, plus tried to explain why plasmas are bad. Looks like they have stopped retailing it.

Demo contents for W950 are specially mastered and have the xvYCC or Extended-gamut to take full advantage of Triluminous panel. Try a demo with your content or HD TV channels. This will be what you will use day to day.

 

[shainz]

Just read the reveiw of samsung 8 series on cnet and they have clearly mentioned its the second best to w900a in many areas , it just wins on smart tv front

 

[vakharia]

Since we are talking about Sony, it is good to know that there is an option to purchase extended warranty (total 3 years warranty) at an extra cost.

BRAVIA Extended Warranty Packs

However, they don't tell what is covered by the warranty e.g. panel/ circuit boards etc.


Edit: KDL-46W950A is available on Indiatimes Shopping at Rs. 126003 after using discount code HOTELECTRONICS.

Is that the lowest?

 

[manzb]

When comparing the W950 with the W800 were you watching normal/hd content or the triluminous demo disc?

At Vijay Sales 46W900 & 47W800 were playing MtunesHD.

At Sony it was the triluminous demo disc and the it was 55W950 and 47W800. In both the cases, the difference was evident.

Dirac - could not notice any frame with lots of blue, atleast when the Triluminous disc demo was running. But the green was quite natural.

But when I demoed the HD DTH (Mtunes HD) the W900 was showing much better colour (bright as well) and PQ was way better than W800. In fact 8000 series is also really good, but looks extra bright. I think a lot of these can be changed with better calibration to suit one's own taste. All these experiences based on the showroom settings.

 

[RahulP]

EDIT: Sorry I posted in this less relevant thread by mistake. Actually wanted to post in W700 thread so re-posted here :http://www.hifivision.com/television/44341-sony-w700a-best-buy-7.html#post507288 , but since its about sony and w series not deleting it entirely. Please ignore if you find it irrelevant.


My 2 cents:

I compared W700 with W800 models (there is only a single model in w700 series which is 46"), and have (almost) reached the decision and its going to be w700!

1. When auditioned we could clearly see the 'soap opera' effect and disliked it very much on higher motion flow models (800 / 9xx)... As somebody rightly said earlier, if one is going to turn it off why pay more for it

2. 85 to 90% of the times we will be watching movies, rather than TV serial or sports etc. so I want that natural movie like feel (possible only without the higher motion flow)

3. I don't need 3D. So I would rather invest in higher screen size and that's why going for 46" w700 rather than 40 or 42 inches model with higher motion flow. (w700 does not have 3D). Will the popularity & availability of 3D material increase even more in next year or two? almost certainly yes.. but it is ok. There will be still LOT of 2d stuff to watch. (Frankly, I don't like watching 3D movies in theatre.. given the quality and shape of goggles one is not disconnected with reality.. its odd.. 2D is always much better PQ in theatres IMHO... at least in India. I don't remember about USA as it was few years back)

4. Yet to compare with equivalent Samsung models but Sony still is THE brand for TVs for me so i will need a very good reason to switch (have been happy with samsung products also .. but my good old sony wega TV is still serving us fantastically.. no issues whatsoever in 8 years)

5. Since its a huge leap, skipping the LCD stage, the colors and PQ was very impressive in the audition (in all sony models).

6. Realized that DVD collection which used to look nice on a small tv looks 'not so good' (!) on LED ... it needs blu ray / HD video (files) to exploit its potential so upgrade in other areas will be necessary soon !


cheers

 

[adder]

@Rahul
You can set the motionflow to Clear setting where one can hardly see the Soap opera effect.

 

[just4kix]

@Rahul, when I play my DVDs on my TV via upscaling BDP, the feel is quite like DTH HD (1080i).

 

[Dirac]

@rahul
You have raised an important point about soap opera effect.
Actually most of the people like it because they think they see more defined edges and a little more 3 dimensionality as in a 30fps video.
They wouldn't want to watch a
24hz movie as they feel that there is decreased depth.
But some people like you and others on the forum cannot stand the sight of a movie being played like a tv serial. That includes me.
Intelligent frame creation whether in led or plasma is a menace.

 

[RahulP]

Thanks guys!

Update: (and suddenly this post is more relevant to this thread now ) :

On second (3rd & 4th) thought am again seriously considering w800A.

@adder : Thanks. Yes, in my last audition, in the 2nd round I had asked the salesman to switch off the motion flow for w800A (which he didn't know was possible ) , but at the time I was too inclined towards 2D and was considering using the money saved by lower motion flow in larger size.

Here is the new thought process :

1. W800A is only (!) 14K costlier than W700A (ofcourse that 14K is in addition to good amount of Ks )
2. I get extra one inch as W800 has 47" model which fits my budget slab and requirement (compared to 46" W700)
3. With W800A, will be 'future proof' for 3D, considering it will be an investment for 4-5 years.
4. Added advantage of +200 motion flow for sports etc though will be used occasionally in my case

Now the million dollar question is:

Does the 'Off' or 'Clear' mode in W800A give satisfactory result for movies?

I am going to try just that today (Also going to try some DVD and BD rips taking my media player to the showroom)

@Just4kix: That's nice... I don't have a BD player. Not sure if my media player upscales (its koiboer K3). Its not documented so will have to see.

@Dirac: Thanks. Yes, the 'tv serial' effect is very very visible in side by side comparison of 2 models.

Cheers..
(hope to give an update after one more audition later today).

 

[shainz]

i found upscaling ability of sony bdp s490 much better than on sony w950a, infact dvdrips look crap on w950 even 720p rips arent that great, but when it comes full hd rips picture quality is stunning

 

[adder]

Now the million dollar question is:

Does the 'Off' or 'Clear' mode in W800A give satisfactory result for movies?

Obviously choosing OFF means you will have decreases motion resolution but with no SOE.
You have the clear setting which increases the motion resolution to 1080lines with no noticeable SOE.

 

[RahulP]

@adder: Yes, Thanks. But wanted to try both the options anyways

Update after today's audition:

(connected the HDD directly to TV, so didn't try thru media player)

With Motion flow setting

OFF : motion flow completely off, in some sequences there was some 'lag'. but obviously no SOE.

Clear: This was very enjoyable with no SOE


So W800A it is for me ! (compared to w700A)

Guys, please continue the discussion on W800 vs W950

Cheers