Sony 55" HX800 or LG 60PK950R

[adder]

The the HX800 isn't a NX series which has a monolithic design .
The HX800 panel is coated which sony advertises as "deep black panel"
To the OP I am sure you would have seen them yourself since you did see both the v20 and the HX800 in jumbo.

But to others who haven't seen a HX800 here is a quote from HDtvtest.co.uk

Sonys promotional material mentions that the HX features a Deep Black Panel, which refers specifically to the screens anti-glare coating. Thanks to this coatings effectiveness, black levels were actually best experienced with a little ambient light present, due to the way our eyes perceive light in a darkened room.

If one source is not enough picture speaks for itself below the HX800

As you can see the HX800 bezel is reflecting much more then the screen and note the amount of the ambient light and direct Noon sunlight from windows and is hitting the floor, check EXIF data of the image to know the time taken.

the V20

Taken at under lesser amount of ambient light(notice how less the light is on the wall compared the HX800)
As you can see the screen of the v20 is grey apart from those reflections.

 

[shredder]

Good pictures, but what is the point you are trying to make?? That the HX800 has less reflection? Under such conditions both the TVs will not bear watching,.. it is just an academic question of which is more reflective. But it is clear that the HX800 seems to have less reflection. Point taken.
But let me make my own observation about reflective bezels. I have found reflective bezels to be highly distracting when watching TV even at night. True, a reflective bezel may have more aesthetic value but that is all it is good for. The reflection bouncing off the HX800's bezel will definitely be distracting. It may not be apparent initially but let me assure you that after watching for some time it will put you off. Whereas the V20's gun metal bezel minimizes reflection. Yes, V20's screen is reflective BUT it is a lot less reflective than most of the other plasmas out there.

To be honest, I would not like to watch either TV under such lighting conditions.
And what of the grey screen of the V20?? It reminds me of your earlier post where you compared a Kuro to a Samsung LCD in broad daylight to prove that Samsung LCD had better black levels!!!

 

[longshanks]

Good pictures, but what is the point you are trying to make??

Exactly, so many pointless posts floating here these days.

posts of fan noise in tv,posting the one site which gives bad or good review of a particular tv and many other things.

And what of the grey screen of the V20??

:thumbsup:

OMG god the v20 screen is grey when it is turned off or when not displaying blacks so lets paint our walls black and stare at it.:clapping:

 

[adder]

Good pictures, but what is the point you are trying to make?? That the HX800 has less reflection? Under such conditions both the TVs will not bear watching,.. it is just an academic question of which is more reflective. But it is clear that the HX800 seems to have less reflection. Point taken.
But let me make my own observation about reflective bezels. I have found reflective bezels to be highly distracting when watching TV even at night. True, a reflective bezel may have more aesthetic value but that is all it is good for. The reflection bouncing off the HX800's bezel will definitely be distracting. It may not be apparent initially but let me assure you that after watching for some time it will put you off. Whereas the V20's gun metal bezel minimizes reflection. Yes, V20's screen is reflective BUT it is a lot less reflective than most of the other plasmas out there.

To be honest, I would not like to watch either TV under such lighting conditions.
And what of the grey screen of the V20?? It reminds me of your earlier post where you compared a Kuro to a Samsung LCD in broad daylight to prove that Samsung LCD had better black levels!!!

Well people can see the posts and decide whay i meant .The point was in response to some one claiming the hX800 reflects worse then a plasma ,the fact is the HX800 is better under ambient light.

About the Bezel reflecting its is also an issue ,but the V20 gun metal bezel is diffusing the light its still reflects look at right side of bezel and look at the left the v20 is also under far lesser amount of ambient light.
Reflection in the panel is different from reflection from the bezel.

True that v20 screen is less reflective then other plasmas,but saying the HX800 is the worst then a plasma is a different story.

My tv room as almost as much light as shown in the picture windows facing east and another window facing west.I can assure you even matte screen lcd struggles and i have to crank the backlight or turn on the light sensor to defeat the glare.
I and many other don't watch tv in pitch dark environments.Some would like to watch the tv while others would want to read a book or newspaper at the same time in the same room.

Ambient light plays a crucial role in tvs contrast ability particularly the blacks,what good is a tv which show even good blacks but ain't no good under ambient light.
Why do you think reviewers/editors are mentioning about the effect of ambient light.
Why do you think those black level measurements are taken under pitch dark condition? even little light can destroy the tvs black levels.

WHy do you think plasma manufactures are increasingly trying to make there tvs less reflective.If all watched in dark condition will they bother.


As said earlier in this thread choose a tv based on the OP viewing conditions and distance.

About the HX800 black capabilty feel free to check out the black level of the HX800 subjectively.
If you can't there are plenty of objective data.

 

[BLASTO]

HX800 Review.

Sony HX800 review - FlatpanelsHD

Reflection.

KDL-HX800.jpg?SONY????????????So-net???

 

[rockstar1630]

I liked the picture of both the TVs.. I can control lighting conditions in my room, so reflections are not a problem.
Both sets have excellent black levels. The Sony seems to have an edge on displaying HD content (I may be wrong). Pana is better with SD. My usage is 100% HD. Also sony is 5" bigger which translates into massive room presence.
One thing that is bothering me is that the Pana has extensive video tuning features available which enables is to display at reference levels whereas Sony has there generic super whites and alls to tune the picture. (Again correct me if am wrong).
The question is, can i color correct the sony in case it is required?
May be am being greedy, but 50" is not seemingly enough for my appetite. Of course I can't go beyond 1.7 L due to budgetary constraints.
Both sets kick LG60pk950R out of window in terms of reproducing HD picture.

 

[adder]

You can always dim the the Sony to show pleasing whites,usually in showroom the backlight is set quite high,Even after setting the backlight to 0 ,you can dim it to even lower extent by turning the power save to low or switch on the Light sensor.

As far as control the panasonic has more control it has Color management controls/settings which sony lacks,both have grey scale adjustments.

No doubt Sony has has some good HD capability.

If you can afford the bigger HX800 then go for it,otherwise settle for the cheaper V20.

Do note that both Sony and panasonic will launch new replacement models in around Q2 this year.

 

[longshanks]

The Sony seems to have an edge on displaying HD content (I may be wrong).

At ideal lighting conditions such as a living room or a separate AV room V20 will will beat any LCD in displaying HD content,you wont regret buying it and will be amazing every time you watch HD in v20. Many previous LCD owners i know have bought the V20 and VT20 and have been awed by its HD pic depth,blacks, details and what not.

V20 specially looks so much better once calibrated from the default settings which u see in the showroom's.

Note that 3D on LCD is not what it appears to be and has many flaws IMO.

 

[abhi_jollyguy]

I liked the picture of both the TVs.. I can control lighting conditions in my room, so reflections are not a problem.
Both sets have excellent black levels. The Sony seems to have an edge on displaying HD content (I may be wrong). Pana is better with SD. My usage is 100% HD. Also sony is 5" bigger which translates into massive room presence.
One thing that is bothering me is that the Pana has extensive video tuning features available which enables is to display at reference levels whereas Sony has there generic super whites and alls to tune the picture. (Again correct me if am wrong).
The question is, can i color correct the sony in case it is required?
May be am being greedy, but 50" is not seemingly enough for my appetite. Of course I can't go beyond 1.7 L due to budgetary constraints.
Both sets kick LG60pk950R out of window in terms of reproducing HD picture.

I am saying again that go with SONY one, u will get 5 inches more and SONY has full advanced calibration picture menu. well atleast for me 5 inches is a lot more:licklips:. As I have told u before SONY one has SPVA panel which itself is a self explanatory regarding picture quality with deep black levels also it has Bravia engine 3 with SONY's deep black panel. What else do u need?

As far as reflection is concerned so both set will reflect in lighting condition.

 

[rockstar1630]

what is the next upgrade due in Q2 for both these models? Any tentative info?
3d or no 3d doesnt matter to me. Need outright 2d performance.
3d can wait till the time they pioneer the glass free tech.

 

[borg]

increase your budget and go for the vt20, it is the no 1 flatpanel today (Vt30 not launched yet), for led check if lg le8500 available in larger sizes, lg site show only 42", it is the only full led backlit available now, edgelit sets doesnot desrve the premium they are asking

Edit: well may be not the 8500, it seems that it has got some banding issues

 

[sandeepgarg]

Any idea which Panel the Sony 46HX800 is using?