Suggestions for 5.1.4 setup

if you could not convince the people at home to place a good pair of FLs on the floor in front of the area marked SW1 and SW2.
Nope. That would block the way to the room and the adjoining balcony. Whatever goes, goes above and behind the area marked SW.
I agree to the fact that towers would be the best bang for the buck. But bookshelves were probably made for situations like these.
more than one, look for a three-way with tweeter-mid-bass in the centre...
Yeah. I would keep that in mind. There are not very many bookshelves that would qualify. Only option appears to be centre ch ones.
 
Ok.
Any thoughts on using it vertically as FL and FR?
Vokals are meant to be used as a center & not as fronts. Then you should ideally get the Oberon1 for the fronts and mount it on the wall with just a strong nail like a wall clock as it has a keyhole for that purpose. It comes with very small silicon pegs which are stuck on the 4 corners on the rear side of the speakers as it has a rear port.
The Oberon 1 is meant for very tight spaces but you require a subwoofer as they lack bass.
Similarly, the 4 silicon pegs are stuck on the bottom for the Vokal to raise it from the surface.
 
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@k-pad messaged me and posed few questions that can help FMs understand my setup and requirements a little better. I have answered those below.

1. You mentioned a French window in your post, but from your picture, there is an open doorway on the opposing side. So, it would help a lot for other FMs also if you could share a bigger layout of the living room. For instance, are there other openings in this space like that doorway in the picture?
I am enclosing a picture below that shows the layout of the room. The French window covers approx 15’ of the left side wall. Wall opposite to the screen has a large window of 8’ length. It has been covered with 3 layers of curtains. One sheer, one blackout and one normal cloth. Blackout and normal cloth have been stitched together. The ceiling has false ceiling with perforated sound deadening boards. The overall outcome as of now is pretty decent and it can be felt when one enters that room.
2. How far will the seating be? And where will it be?
Seating is at a distance of 14’ from the screen. Seating is on a 3 seater fabric sofa. Area between the screen and the sofa has tiling as of now and I plan to put a carpet there.
3. Seating plan: Is is a couch? recliners? chairs? How many people will be watching at a time?
At most three people can sit on the sofa. One easy chair next to it may also be used at times. Considering the spread, I think a 2 way wouldn’t suffice and a 3 way centre would work best.
4. Do you intend to stop with only an AVR-driven system or are you going to be adding more power later?
As of now plan is to put an AVR. I was presuming that it would suffice. However, an upgrade can be considered if the FMs can advise on that.

Thanks @k-pad. I hope to learn a lot from your own road to installing a home theatre.
 

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Got to audition a B&W setup with B&W ASW 610 Sub. This was in a room size 25’ x 18’.
Centre channel was Focal aria as B&W centre had some issue. FL and R were B&W in-wall. Same with surrounds.
Atmos were also from B&W.
I was blown away by the sound quality. The shooting scene in an alley in Book of Eli made me wonder if they have connected much bigger speakers kept there.
Most surprising of all was performance of 610 Sub. For a room that size it really shook up everything in the action scenes. Nothing over the top tight bass. The person advised me to go for two 608 models rather than one 12” sub from either Rel or SVS.

I also got to audition Dali Oberon on wall ones. They were nowhere close to B&Ws. Performance and price wise both.

As of now B&W stand tallest in quality. Now I am contemplating going for 606 S2 for L n R. These are rear ported and I would sacrifice screen size and aesthetics for what these beauties deliver. M1s appear decent for rear surrounds.
Centre one would either be HTM 6 or 7. I was thinking Rel 1205 would be the sub, but now there is little dilemma. Two 608s appear a good proposition.
It seems my budget is going to go on its head completely.
 
Got to audition a B&W setup with B&W ASW 610 Sub. This was in a room size 25’ x 18’.
Centre channel was Focal aria as B&W centre had some issue. FL and R were B&W in-wall. Same with surrounds.
Atmos were also from B&W.
I was blown away by the sound quality. The shooting scene in an alley in Book of Eli made me wonder if they have connected much bigger speakers kept there.
Most surprising of all was performance of 610 Sub. For a room that size it really shook up everything in the action scenes. Nothing over the top tight bass. The person advised me to go for two 608 models rather than one 12” sub from either Rel or SVS.

I also got to audition Dali Oberon on wall ones. They were nowhere close to B&Ws. Performance and price wise both.

As of now B&W stand tallest in quality. Now I am contemplating going for 606 S2 for L n R. These are rear ported and I would sacrifice screen size and aesthetics for what these beauties deliver. M1s appear decent for rear surrounds.
Centre one would either be HTM 6 or 7. I was thinking Rel 1205 would be the sub, but now there is little dilemma. Two 608s appear a good proposition.
It seems my budget is going to go on its head completely.
Hi, glad you got an audition!
If you loved the B&Ws, then I will fail in my duty if I didn't ask you to go and audition the Klipsches :D
Try out the RP series, preferably 6000 or 8000.

Looking at your auditory taste, it should be a close battle... Now, it is time to forget all other speakers... It is either B&W or Klipsch, whichever suits your budget and pleases your ear.

You will hear a lot of dirty things about Klipsch here. But I can assure you that they are not any more worse or better than other companies when it comes to declaring data.

Regd subs, please don't pick up the B&W or the Klipsch. We'll come to that later. Choose your speakers first...

All the best
 
Hi, glad you got an audition!
If you loved the B&Ws, then I will fail in my duty if I didn't ask you to go and audition the Klipsches :D
Try out the RP series, preferably 6000 or 8000.

Looking at your auditory taste, it should be a close battle... Now, it is time to forget all other speakers... It is either B&W or Klipsch, whichever suits your budget and pleases your ear.

You will hear a lot of dirty things about Klipsch here. But I can assure you that they are not any more worse or better than other companies when it comes to declaring data.

Regd subs, please don't pick up the B&W or the Klipsch. We'll come to that later. Choose your speakers first...

All the best
Oh seriously ?
Klipsch ?
Not better or worse than other companies at disclosing data ?
You must update your knowledge on this subject before recommending to prevent other's money from being wasted.
 
Yes, they would.
But on looking at the pic again, I am wondering if you could not convince the people at home to place a good pair of FLs on the floor in front of the area marked SW1 and SW2.
Logic being: Isn't it better to buy the best speakers your money can get you, for the space you have, instead of imposing these restrictions on yourself?

Of course, you might find a competent slim, front ported FL (again offering you an MA option, though I assure you I have no vested interests :D -- like the Radius 270s, nothing beats a full blooded tower, especially for a 2000+ cu-ft room, which from the picture opens on to other spaces, meaning the the area you need to take to calculate is even higher...

Regards
When the speakers are crossed over to a subwoofer then the benefits of floor standers diminish.
And instead of room size, distance from speakers should be considered first for speakers..

And for subwoofers its a mix of distance and room size.
 
Hi friends. I also have a concern regarding ported speakers.
Is my concern about ported speakers correct? Since I plan to install FL and FR with minimal clearance from the back wall , compared to non ported ones. I am thinking that ported ones would need to be a little away from the walls while non ported ones can be kept relatively closer. Is that correct?
If you check Genelec data you can see that they recommend keeping rear ported speakers close to rear wall.. within 5cm
 
Oh seriously ?
Klipsch ?
Not better or worse than other companies at disclosing data ?
You must update your knowledge on this subject before recommending to prevent other's money from being wasted.
Haha, Prateek bhai! :D
My limited point: If OP liked the B&Ws, I suggested another speaker in the same ballpark.
*I did not, repeat, did not, TELL OP to BUY a pair of Klipsches.*

All I said was if the B&W sounded good to them, here is one more pair that might sound good to their ear. And them being in Hyd, a Klipsch audition is the easiest to get.

Once they decide they wanna do it, then, one of two things may happen:
1. They hate the Klipsch sound. In which case, the story ends.
2. They may like the Klipsch sound. In which case, they can always post here their opinion and we can discuss the pros and cons and they can take their final decision.

I think it was a fair suggestion from my part, with no ill-will to anyone. I hope you at least agree with this much.
Regards

PS: For the uninitiated, Prateek and I have had offline conversations about Klipsch misrepresenting data. And I agree the company does choose a parameter that makes their speakers look good on a spec sheet.

My stand is that it is just a technically correct thing, while not claiming something that is really terribly untrue. For ex: A Klipsch claiming 97 dB sensitivity would be a 92 dB in reality. Which in my book is still good. It is like a bike manufacturer claiming 100 kmpl, while their real world efficiency might be around 87 kmpl. I don't understand why a company would want to do it. But once you parse down the numbers, I really have no beef with them. I am going to live with their product, not be in bed with their marketing department....

Prateek's stand, on the other hand, is also very valid. It is an age-old conundrum. And I understand how it could hurt a company. His basic question is: If you are lying about something relatively inconsequential, then I wonder what else you are lying about - including things that are important. And I totally hear him, and am in agreement with him on that question, in that it is a very valid question for someone to ask.

If someone from Klipsch marketing has some kind of alerts for global forums, they should really hear him. I, for one, hear him.

I am willing to live with a Klipsch despite this issue. For Prateek, it is a deal breaker, and I understand it.
 
If you check Genelec data you can see that they recommend keeping rear ported speakers close to rear wall.. within 5cm
Agree. And pushing a port closer to the wall is a great way of mitigating the negatives, provided you know your speakers can live with it.
 
Haha, Prateek bhai! :D
My limited point: If OP liked the B&Ws, I suggested another speaker in the same ballpark.
*I did not, repeat, did not, TELL OP to BUY a pair of Klipsches.*

All I said was if the B&W sounded good to them, here is one more pair that might sound good to their ear. And them being in Hyd, a Klipsch audition is the easiest to get.

Once they decide they wanna do it, then, one of two things may happen:
1. They hate the Klipsch sound. In which case, the story ends.
2. They may like the Klipsch sound. In which case, they can always post here their opinion and we can discuss the pros and cons and they can take their final decision.

I think it was a fair suggestion from my part, with no ill-will to anyone. I hope you at least agree with this much.
Regards

PS: For the uninitiated, Prateek and I have had offline conversations about Klipsch misrepresenting data. And I agree the company does choose a parameter that makes their speakers look good on a spec sheet.

My stand is that it is just a technically correct thing, while not claiming something that is really terribly untrue. For ex: A Klipsch claiming 97 dB sensitivity would be a 92 dB in reality. Which in my book is still good. It is like a bike manufacturer claiming 100 kmpl, while their real world efficiency might be around 87 kmpl. I don't understand why a company would want to do it. But once you parse down the numbers, I really have no beef with them. I am going to live with their product, not be in bed with their marketing department....

Prateek's stand, on the other hand, is also very valid. It is an age-old conundrum. And I understand how it could hurt a company. His basic question is: If you are lying about something relatively inconsequential, then I wonder what else you are lying about - including things that are important. And I totally hear him, and am in agreement with him on that question, in that it is a very valid question for someone to ask.

If someone from Klipsch marketing has some kind of alerts for global forums, they should really hear him. I, for one, hear him.

I am willing to live with a Klipsch despite this issue. For Prateek, it is a deal breaker, and I understand it.
Unless one understands how a speaker and human listening works its difficult to explain them why I don't recommend Klipsch..

The first thing people must understand is what is showroom sound or demo room sound.

In short it is " making speakers in a way which impresses the most in short ( first ) listening sessions."
 
Decision has been taken after auditioning various speakers and going through various threads. Luckily I also got to audition speakers at a place that had kept the room acoustics similar to what one would have at their homes.

The final lineup looks like this :-
Centre - B&W HTM6
FL n R - B&W 606 S2
Rears - B&W 607
Sub - B&W ASW610
AVR - 4700H
I am sure my choice of Sub would get a lot of thumbs down but I really liked the tautness and accuracy of this baby. It didn’t rattle the stuff around all the time but when it did, it was very good. I would probably add one more of this later.

Got an amazing offer on Focal 1000F for 90K. Looked like a very good deal and I had posted about it few posts back. But, I couldn’t find much on it on the net as well as various forums. Couldn’t audition it either. Didn’t want to take chance with the hope that it would turn out good and went with what I had seen and heard.

All these except the sub are ported and I had indicted problem with that. Now I plan to put these on the walls.

I got a decent deal on these. Will update on that.

@k-pad thanks for inputs that helped in navigating around. I did check out Klipschs as suggest3by you but found B&W better to my taste. @Nitin K your inputs were also helpful.

Will get back when these are delivered. I am sure friends here would guide me through the process of installation and stuff.
 
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