Arj,
Thanks for the concrete example of the Sugden A21. I was so curious to see how bad the measurements were that I went to a Stereophile article:
Sugden A21ai Series 2 integrated amplifier Measurements | Stereophile.com
This measure the A21ai series, and I am not sure if this is substantially different from your original A21 series, since I am not an expert of this series of amps. However, if you notice the freq. response, it is almost ruler-flat for all real impedance loads (the green is a hard test of simulated load and all amps that I have compared have this performance curve for simulated load).
The difference is preamp channels is almost negligible, and the small-signal square-waves are quite clean. So all these measurements suggest to me a well-designed, well-behaved amplifier.
The bad measurement, which has affected all its subjective performance, is the high THD as you correctly point out. Even there, it is reasonable at 8 ohms, and gets worse at lower impedances. This seems to suggest that the Sudgen cannot drive low loads well and will struggle. That is also borne out by the review, which warns that careful equipment matching is needed, and that the sound has a distinct character which may not be liked by all.
So, I do not see how this is an example of a badly measured amp which has superlative performance. The measurements give an indication of possible shortcomings, and the review seems to be in line with the measurements. Am I missing something?
However, you are right about the fact that measurements do no encompass all the subtle behaviour of devices, and we cannot compare two devices side by side based on measurements alone, because many parameters we hear are coupled in different measurement plots.
What I am trying to point out is that anyone who says measurements are useless and we should only play by ear, is not completely cognizant of the important part that measurements (and quantitiative experiments) play in any engineered product, including audio equipment.
I used to run a 4 Ohm 87 db speaker with that...the sound was enough to mesmerize, but what i missed was resolution
i believe the older original A21 measured even worse (as per Hifi+)
Anyway i believe we are both saying the same thing although our personal philosophy on this may slightly differ. believe me i was an objectivist (and an Athiest to boot)
these days believe in Intuition a lot more than measured approach..based on what i have seen/learnt and experienced over the years...but these need to be backed by some semblance of a research/science. as My Strategy Prof used to say, 95% of all strategic decisions are taken first and then the data/statistics collected later to prove the same
anyway the way i reason to myself these days is that I am in Audio for the music and this has to be thru my ear...so even if my brain says the opposite..i will go by my ear !!!
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