Updated pricing 50V20D

[ShaQ.Blogs]

I had visited the pan brand showroom today and had a demo of the 50V20D compared different kinds of inputs and found it to be kinda junk for SD. I found them pretty useful and do know a lot more than other places.

The tv is awesome for HD. Sports especially! I asked him to play rapid moving content, & he played a test dvd for me to get an idea with lateral moving images. The difference was huge plasmas compared to the lcd family. The images were moving across with no issues while one of lcd had significant *blur*. On the other hand with star movies HD i saw some rapid action scenes where the movement was not smooth. It was well a little jerky in the sense when something moves laterally quick, then we could see the jerky movement.
I believe this could be either because of sports being 720p and movies being 1080i or/and one of a difference in transmission frame rates. What do you guys think, what is the format used for transmission? Quick google search didnt give me much info.

Coming to pricing, we spoke for a while and i convinced him this is not a 70K tv like he quoted since they are non 3D & with the VT20 available at 75K. He was quick to reply I will work out a good price. Further we spoke and he suggested hold my purchase for 1-2 weeks and that price has been dropping and that he expects to in 2 weeks. I know I could have had it for around 65K then and there. I expect i should be able to get this at least 60K outside if not now but in a few days. So will wait and see

 

[BLASTO]

I asked him to play rapid moving content, & he played a test dvd for me to get an idea with lateral moving images. The difference was huge plasmas compared to the lcd family. The images were moving across with no issues while one of lcd had significant *blur*. On the other hand with star movies HD i saw some rapid action scenes where the movement was not smooth. It was well a little jerky in the sense when something moves laterally quick, then we could see the jerky movement.
I believe this could be either because of sports being 720p and movies being 1080i or/and one of a difference in transmission frame rates. What do you guys think, what is the format used for transmission?

Google for "Panasonic V20 50Hz bug".
It will not be pronounced in "game" mode.

I saw this today and searched in google and ended up seeing this issue being discussed in uk forums.

 

[ShaQ.Blogs]

thanks for that info!
I also read your other post where you had mentioned

V20 does not come with the pro filter in india.

In two minds to jump for the 75K VT20D. If 65ish I will get it. Will wait and watch for 2 weeks.

I forgot to add, one other shop I visited quoted 65K as first price for 50V20D!

 

[BLASTO]

In two minds to jump for the 75K VT20D. If 65ish I will get it. Will wait and watch for 2 weeks.

I forgot to add, one other shop I visited quoted 65K as first price for 50V20D!

Yes. There is a difference in filter also.
Infinite Black vs Infinite black pro.

The Black pro provides superior black level performance in ambient light conditions.
The ST30 has the same pro filter. The brand shop will 99% display this model. Check V20 and ST30 side by side and if you see a difference in black level (which you will), pick the VT20.

Check the below thread for the relative feature vs cost difference in their prime.
http://www.hifivision.com/television/12919-panasonic-v20-vt20.html

My guess is V20 will be around for sometime. Atleast till dewali. Reason being, nobody wants to buy a non 3D TV for 65k+ nowadays. Especially with VT20 with superior filter and 2 3D glasses and keyboard available for 75k.

The glasses alone cost 9k each. Iam sure you can get the VT20 and sell the glasses for more than 10k in the very forum.

Having said that, there wont be any difference in 2D viewing in dark rooms. Definite improvement in bright rooms. Decide based on that. V20 also looks gorgeous and VT20 quite normal.

Also 3D is a good to have.. and at 10k diffence you cant go wrong.

 

[Naveen_Reloaded]

ShaQ , If you are going for VT20 , its not wise to wait for a week. Stocks all around india are vanishing fastly. LAst thing i heard is banglore stores got all VT20 from many other states and it seems only very limited pieces are available.

In tamilnadu so far i have asked only one shop has one piece but price is too high . There is no stock in panasonic brand shop itself.

If you want to get VT20, get it , dont delay

 

[Kudla]

thanks for that info!
I also read your other post where you had mentioned


In two minds to jump for the 75K VT20D. If 65ish I will get it. Will wait and watch for 2 weeks.

I forgot to add, one other shop I visited quoted 65K as first price for 50V20D!

Well, you would get 50V20D for less than 60K in B'lore.

 

[thebanik]

In Delhi, 50V20D was available for 54.5K, though needed 2 pieces and the guy only had 1. Which aroused suspicion that it was the demo piece which showroom was giving us. Didnt negotiate further since was not looking specifically for a demo pieced. Btw did check the usage and it was 569 hrs with around 115 startups.

 

[god2007]

In Delhi, 50V20D was available for 54.5K, though needed 2 pieces and the guy only had 1. Which aroused suspicion that it was the demo piece which showroom was giving us. Didnt negotiate further since was not looking specifically for a demo pieced. Btw did check the usage and it was 569 hrs with around 115 startups.

If there is no issue of image retention / burns in, you can have the piece at this rate. When the proclaimed life of the panel is in lacks of hours, 569 hours can be ignored, if the panel is other wise good. Remember that the model is on the way out, any any new pieces may be hard to find after the festivals.

 

[ShaQ.Blogs]

The ST30 has the same pro filter. The brand shop will 99% display this model. Check V20 and ST30 side by side and if you see a difference in black level (which you will), pick the VT20.

I had in fact visited the showroom yesterday & today. And the difference between the two is so very evident!! Much much better black levels in ST30. This plus advice from another professional, made me think. Changes are happening so rapidly in the last few years. We are sitting in the era of change near/at its peak with so many new features and still coming. This willl last for a few years. After this the performance improvement and new features added has to subside. *Changes* happen, but not this rapidly all the time!! IMHO, this has to subside and stabilize soon. I see 3 ish years from now the time to buy, but the need & desire to buy is today.
Considering this I am exploring the option of a 30K ish 32"LCD for 3-4 years and dump later. But will wait and watch. If the 50V20D will come down to like 50K I might go for it as its a huge bump from 32" for +20K and its a plasma and it's highend plasma model. I know for a fact, I will have features that will lure me in 3 years. So becoming a little hesitant to throw 60K. 50 also seems a little high. Will give it a thought, and maybe you guys can comment on it too. Could be helpful

My guess is V20 will be around for sometime. Atleast till dewali. Reason being, nobody wants to buy a non 3D TV for 65k+ nowadays. Especially with VT20 with superior filter and 2 3D glasses and keyboard available for 75k.

I agree! I am crossing my fingers to see V20 price go down more. 50K-55K ish for a non-3D when 3D is the selling point today for TV today, seems reasonable to expect!
I like to believe we could have forced to make them bring down the prices, even more, by not buying these tv's when they decided to put it out for sale, for rolling in the newer models. I could be totally off base here. I do know for a fact HiFiVision contributed to many of these sales!!!

Having said that, there wont be any difference in 2D viewing in dark rooms. Definite improvement in bright rooms. Decide based on that. V20 also looks gorgeous and VT20 quite normal.

Many thanks for this info!!! this I was not aware of.
Intended use is under less lighting conditions.

ShaQ , If you are going for VT20 , its not wise to wait for a week. Stocks all around india are vanishing fastly. LAst thing i heard is banglore stores got all VT20 from many other states and it seems only very limited pieces are available.

In tamilnadu so far i have asked only one shop has one piece but price is too high . There is no stock in panasonic brand shop itself.

If you want to get VT20, get it , dont delay

Thanks. I seem to have decided to spend lesser now (if not much lesser) considering the above mentioned factors.

 

[BLASTO]

I had in fact visited the showroom yesterday & today. And the difference between the two is so very evident!! Much much better black levels in ST30. This plus advice from another professional, made me think. Changes are happening so rapidly in the last few years.

Your decision to wait is reasonable but the above should not be the reason for it.

You are not seeing the 'change' that has been happening rapidly between the V20 and ST30, but rather you are seeing the cunning/racial face of the panasonic towards asian region.

The V20 and VT20 had the same filter internationally last year as the ST30 has today. This not a 2011 innovation.
Panasonic was cunning enough to strip off the filter for India for the V20 and provided it only in VT20.

Also the difference between V20 and ST30 that you are seeing is not an innovation of panasonic but due to the addition of "kuro" technology to their TVs last year after acquiring Pioneer's plasma division.

This year, the VT30 comes with the second gen kuro technology while other series (ST and GT) come with the first gen kuro technology of the VT20.

 

[ShaQ.Blogs]

Well, you would get 50V20D for less than 60K in B'lore.

Where might this be available at this price?

If there is no issue of image retention / burns in, you can have the piece at this rate. When the proclaimed life of the panel is in lacks of hours, 569 hours can be ignored, if the panel is other wise good. Remember that the model is on the way out, any any new pieces may be hard to find after the festivals.

I agree.
Unfortunately I am not aware of how to check *image retention / burns in*.

Suggest that you wait a few more days. Tread carefully. Be updated on how many pieces are remaining and inform the dealer to keep you informed and that you will purchase but will wait a little! The prices of 50V20 could fall 1-2 weeks as per panasonic dealer itself. This only means there are in stock. I will check tomorrow how many pieces are remaining of 50V20.

Secondly, you are getting a 3 year manufacturer warranty!!!

 

[thebanik]

If there is no issue of image retention / burns in, you can have the piece at this rate. When the proclaimed life of the panel is in lacks of hours, 569 hours can be ignored, if the panel is other wise good. Remember that the model is on the way out, any any new pieces may be hard to find after the festivals.

Got VT20 from another nearby store, . We needed 2 or maybe even 3 pieces, and the question would have been who would get the display piece and who would buy the new one, , hence gave it a pass for that time being. Had gone earlier to Croma who quoted 72K for VT20, went back saying the other store was giving us 68K, , he called up a few guyz and said if you are willing to bill it right then and there then can give us for 68K, we obliged and booked 2 VT20D, I got my delivery today, friend wud be getting his in 2 days (he had issues while financing)

 

[Kudla]

Where might this be available at this price

Devi @ B'lore.

 

[ShaQ.Blogs]

Devi @ B'lore.

I cud try my luck on diwali or so for lesser around 55

 

[Kittu]

I cud try my luck on diwali or so for lesser around 55

With your bargaining skills , you can get it now for that price.

 

[ShaQ.Blogs]

With your bargaining skills , you can get it now for that price.

lets not overestimate on that...i was already give crazy looks by dealers for quoting 65

 

[BLASTO]

The last pieces of 50V20 will go @50 - 55k is my estimate.
It will take mid november and above after dewali.
You will get an excellent offer or 'stocks exhausted' reply.

With more risk comes more profit (or loss)

 

[ShaQ.Blogs]

The last pieces of 50V20 will go @50 - 55k is my estimate.
It will take mid november and above after dewali.
You will get an excellent offer or 'stocks exhausted' reply.

With more risk comes more profit (or loss)

Considering am in two minds...this risk am willing to take .

Any disadvantages/potholes in buying last few pieces, that I fail to see? (I will check usage of course)
Am I right in assuming that Panasonic will give full replacement during warranty if model has issues that cant be repaired? ...and what about in the event of models run out of stock?

 

[BLASTO]

Any disadvantages/potholes in buying last few pieces, that I fail to see? (I will check usage of course)
Am I right in assuming that Panasonic will give full replacement during warranty if model has issues that cant be repaired? ...and what about in the event of models run out of stock?

http://www.hifivision.com/television/21167-panasonic-vt20-owners-thread-17.html#post296987

 

[ShaQ.Blogs]

http://www.hifivision.com/television/21167-panasonic-vt20-owners-thread-17.html#post296987

Awesome...thanks!
Will go all out for 50K and negotiate on diwali to see what i could get it for, armed with 2 more other tv buy's.