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I think you should give it some time and have an open conversation with the seller. If you trust the seller so much, that you don't even ask for photos, I am sure both of you would be in a postion to have an open discussion on the subject. After all your attempts to get the issue resolved are complete with no success, only then should you caution others. I have bought stuff on the forum from longstanding forum membeer and have had a good experience every single time. Yes, on one occassion, I was told that the equipment I was buying "was in the very same condition, the seller got it from another forum member" and I noticed that it was all tampered with and fitted with non-OEM parts. However the item worked and I was happy with it. On another occassion, I was genuinely cheated by a "New" forum member. I gave it a month and had open discussions with him. Only when he made it very clear that he intended to cheat me, did I write about it on the forum. However due to my knowledge and understanding of turntables, I was able to covert this horrible start into a blissful experience. You can read more about it here: http://www.hifivision.com/phono-turntables/45138-my-garrard-rc210-restoration-tragedy-ecstasy.html

At the very end, you've mentioned that the player played all right. Yes, that is expected with Technics DDs. They almost never fail.


Sir, I have tried clarifying matters with this seller, whom I did trust, which I accept. It was only when he stopped responding to my PMs here on the forum, while still actively plugging his wares in different threads that I decided that I had to put my side of the story in the open.

All I am saying is that I did not have a happy buying experience and have presented my side. I am sure there is a seller's version, but I am sticking to mine.
 
I also am in the favor of the FM being named.

There are a lot of people who are (mis)using the trustworthy nature of this forum to engage in utterly selfish transactions. Being selfish by itself is not bad, unless it is done at the cost of violating the norms and at another person's cost.

Since the forum witnesses a lot of new people joining everyday, it is indeed getting harder than ever before to trust people here. I have been conned too, both as a buyer and as a seller. My own fault actually. I tend to trust people rather easily.

I also have had bad experiences here. I also chose to not make bones about it, in the larger interest of forum. But I guess it's the time we openly discuss our transaction experiences here, good or bad whatever it is.

Sir,

I am fully in favour of the offending FM to be named. By keeping him hidden you are encouraging more such frauds. We are members of the house (Forum) and the onus is on to us to keep it in order. When you are sick, it is better to treat it promptly rather than let the ailment fester leading to chronic problem later on. I have been cheated by someone and have made it clear to all of us. By doing so you are not only nipping a problem in its bud but also preventing one of us getting duped in the future as there is no guarantee that the one who cheated you will not get emboldened to try it again.

Regards,

Lifewater
 
issue-1: Technics TTs can take all standard headshells, so this is not a big issue. Some non-Technics headshells are actually better than the stock Technics headshells. However if you want an original headshell, you can easily get one, probably one of the forum members will have a spare one and can give it to you

issue-2: A counter weight without markings will be difficult to use. I have come across some high end tonearms without markings but the user would need to keep a weighing device to measure the tracking force. The positive is that this process is more accurate than just going by the markings on the counter weight but the flip side is that its quite tedious to adjust every single time

issue-3: AT cartridges are not standard Technics fixtures. The original carts of Technics TTs were honestly junk and worth nothing. They are usually given away free of cost. I would assume that the seller procured the Audio Technica cart separately. It is common for sellers to charge additionally if supplying TTs with Audio Technica or Shure carts as these are not standard OEM carts for most turntable brands. You've not mentioned the model or price so can't really comment if it was expensive or not.

issue-4: It is possible that this could have happened during Transit. The tonearm lift lever of all Technics manual turntables is generally its weakest part. These are the only parts of Technics direct drives that I'm come across giving trouble. The extent of the damage needs to be evaluated. If nothing is physically broken, I'm sure it can be fixed and re-calibrated.



Issue 1. It is not a big deal if I don't have the original headshell. I can and will buy one. But it is unethical to not mention it when the seller is describing his TT (guess, that is what comes of not asking for snaps, so, my fault I guess... lesson learnt)

Issue 2. Thanks for the advice, I did not have a weighing device, which was the cause for my ire, I will get one now. That should sort the issue.

Issue 3. I did not want to go into details but here goes - The AT cart was procured independently by the seller, but it was certainly not a gift to me and I had to pay Rs. 1000 extra + my used Ortofon Pro S cart. As I mentioned, he said he had no idea of the model and based on how it looks, it seems to be AT3600L. I am not sure. It is definitely a very basic model, but it is not a huge issue. I will replace it once I have bought the weighing scale, as per your advice.

Issue 4. It most certainly did not 'happen during transit'. The lever is actually missing or is broken near its base as I cannot see it at all. I also quoted the seller as having told me ' Cueing lever is not very important as this is an auto model. I knew about it and it slipped my mind...' (his words). So, I think I have reason to be a bit grumpy.


All said and done, I just narrated my experience and I am not here to get at anyone. I will let the majority of the members be the judge of my objectivity.
 
Well, this is a personal opinion, but my personal opinion is that the camaraderie we share on this forum is very strong and built on trust. I have known and dealt with quite a few forum members and every single experience was great (execept the one with a "New" forum member on the Garrard RC210). I have made some fantastic friendships through the forum.

Moderators: sorry for the multiple posts, I could not use the Multiple Reply option for some reason, maybe its something to do with my browser.



Yes, it is my personal opinion and is up to the discretion of the readers whether they want to agree or accept.
I will add that, I have also had a lot of good advice, help and encouragement on a number of occasions. There certainly is positive camaraderie, my only point was that don't let this sway you into blind trust (like it did me), especially when you are buying stuff.... hope that is not offensive to anyone.
 
Eddie Fox

Three questions for you:
1. Dids the seller tell you anything about the condition of the TT prior to shipping?

2. Did the seller offer you a full/partial refund once you indicated your dissatisfaction?

3. Has he offered to rectify the situation?

There are two sides to any situation, definitely would help having answers to the above.
 
Eddie Fox

Three questions for you:
1. Dids the seller tell you anything about the condition of the TT prior to shipping?

2. Did the seller offer you a full/partial refund once you indicated your dissatisfaction?

3. Has he offered to rectify the situation?

There are two sides to any situation, definitely would help having answers to the above.



Hi George,

1. In short the seller said 'the cosmetic condition is ok, works fine', no mention of the head-shell or the missing cueing lever. He did say the counter weight was not original and so he set up the cart and tracking force himself, but not that it has no markings.

2. No

3. He had promised to replace head-shell and weight when he could 'get hold of the originals'. He sent me a PM saying he can replace the head-shell, but as I mentioned earlier, when I replied with my postal address, he didn't send it and when I sent him a follow-up message asking him the status, he did not respond (it has been a good couple of weeks now).
Regarding cueing lever, I offered to send back the TT, but he said that is not advisable and will 'see what he can do'..... this was in March.

I am sure he has his side of the story and anyone who has sent me a PM and is interested could contact him for that.
 
Yes, I had sold the Technics D-3 to Mr.Naren. The only reason for delay in responding to his claims was to get the details of PM s I had exchanged with him. I do have all the documents with date .
1. Mr. Naren wanted this particular Technics Model D-3 and when I located some one willing to sell one, I informed him . Though initially he wanted to pay only 50%, I informed him that I need to pay the party full amount and he paid me the agreed price.
2. On 21.2.2014 iI picked up the TT and found that the counter weight was not original and I messaged him that I can refund the advance as the players condition was not as good as expected.
3. I will quote his reply"I LIKE THIS TT MODEL AND DO NOT WANT TO LET IT GO". This reply came on the next day.
4. Based on this, I sent the TT to Bangalore. I do admit I did not notice the tone arm lifter. The TT was overhauled by my mechanic and and he also did not mention it to me.
I assured him I will replace both the Head shell and counter weight when I get them. I have sent a PM in June that i got a spare head shell and will send it to him. He responded that he cannot adjust the weight without the original counter weight and I responded that iI will fix it for him when I visit Bangalore next. He claims he has not got this message.
Once I have offered to refund the money describing the condition, he cannot accuse me of lack of transparency. I have documents to prove that i was willing to refund and this part he has conveniently left out to malign my name and I strongly object to it. Where else will he get this kind of a deal? This is the only bitter experience I have had with a Hifi member. If the FM is not satisfied he can return the TT in the condition I gave it to him and I will return his full money.
I have never cheated any buyer . In fact I have replaced free of cost a Thorens 150 to a FM after the Onkyo Integra I sold to him was fully damaged in transit. I send my technician all the way to Kolkotta to rectify a problem at my expense when I sold a TT to an FM. I have replaced TTs when another FM has an issue with the one I had initially sold.
I am pained that after he wanted the TT despite my offer to refund , is now sending PMs to all and sundry as if I am a criminal.. I will leave it to the fellow FM members to make their own conclusions. I will inform Moderators with documents if asked for.
 
I think you've been quite bold here to state your side of the story in public and one who does this openly is bound to be honest and confident.

Personally, I have had only good experiences dealing with Mr. Kuruvila and we've had some lengthy conversations on similar interests, many a times, making me feel like I was speaking with my late father. Interestingly we've never ever talked business or anything commercial even though Mr. Kuruvila is doing a couple of turntable projects for me. He was so helpful that he actually visited my place and collected all the equipment, thus saving me the trip to his place. He is one of the most knowledgeable and most valuable members of our forum.

Yes, I had sold the Technics D-3 to Mr.Naren. The only reason for delay in responding to his claims was to get the details of PM s I had exchanged with him. I do have all the documents with date .
1. Mr. Naren wanted this particular Technics Model D-3 and when I located some one willing to sell one, I informed him . Though initially he wanted to pay only 50%, I informed him that I need to pay the party full amount and he paid me the agreed price.
2. On 21.2.2014 iI picked up the TT and found that the counter weight was not original and I messaged him that I can refund the advance as the players condition was not as good as expected.
3. I will quote his reply"I LIKE THIS TT MODEL AND DO NOT WANT TO LET IT GO". This reply came on the next day.
4. Based on this, I sent the TT to Bangalore. I do admit I did not notice the tone arm lifter. The TT was overhauled by my mechanic and and he also did not mention it to me.
I assured him I will replace both the Head shell and counter weight when I get them. I have sent a PM in June that i got a spare head shell and will send it to him. He responded that he cannot adjust the weight without the original counter weight and I responded that iI will fix it for him when I visit Bangalore next. He claims he has not got this message.
Once I have offered to refund the money describing the condition, he cannot accuse me of lack of transparency. I have documents to prove that i was willing to refund and this part he has conveniently left out to malign my name and I strongly object to it. Where else will he get this kind of a deal? This is the only bitter experience I have had with a Hifi member. If the FM is not satisfied he can return the TT in the condition I gave it to him and I will return his full money.
I have never cheated any buyer . In fact I have replaced free of cost a Thorens 150 to a FM after the Onkyo Integra I sold to him was fully damaged in transit. I send my technician all the way to Kolkotta to rectify a problem at my expense when I sold a TT to an FM. I have replaced TTs when another FM has an issue with the one I had initially sold.
I am pained that after he wanted the TT despite my offer to refund , is now sending PMs to all and sundry as if I am a criminal.. I will leave it to the fellow FM members to make their own conclusions. I will inform Moderators with documents if asked for.
 
Eddie Fox

Three questions for you:
1. Dids the seller tell you anything about the condition of the TT prior to shipping?

2. Did the seller offer you a full/partial refund once you indicated your dissatisfaction?

3. Has he offered to rectify the situation?

There are two sides to any situation, definitely would help having answers to the above.

I would like to clarify from my side
1. As seller I did PM him on 21.2.2014 about the condition
2. As seller. I offered full refund
3. As seller , I apologized and offered to replace two items and informed that I will replace with original Head shell.
 
Yes, I had sold the Technics D-3 to Mr.Naren. The only reason for delay in responding to his claims was to get the details of PM s I had exchanged with him. I do have all the documents with date .
1. Mr. Naren wanted this particular Technics Model D-3 and when I located some one willing to sell one, I informed him . Though initially he wanted to pay only 50%, I informed him that I need to pay the party full amount and he paid me the agreed price.
2. On 21.2.2014 iI picked up the TT and found that the counter weight was not original and I messaged him that I can refund the advance as the players condition was not as good as expected.
3. I will quote his reply"I LIKE THIS TT MODEL AND DO NOT WANT TO LET IT GO". This reply came on the next day.
4. Based on this, I sent the TT to Bangalore. I do admit I did not notice the tone arm lifter. The TT was overhauled by my mechanic and and he also did not mention it to me.
I assured him I will replace both the Head shell and counter weight when I get them. I have sent a PM in June that i got a spare head shell and will send it to him. He responded that he cannot adjust the weight without the original counter weight and I responded that iI will fix it for him when I visit Bangalore next. He claims he has not got this message.
Once I have offered to refund the money describing the condition, he cannot accuse me of lack of transparency. I have documents to prove that i was willing to refund and this part he has conveniently left out to malign my name and I strongly object to it. Where else will he get this kind of a deal? This is the only bitter experience I have had with a Hifi member. If the FM is not satisfied he can return the TT in the condition I gave it to him and I will return his full money.
I have never cheated any buyer . In fact I have replaced free of cost a Thorens 150 to a FM after the Onkyo Integra I sold to him was fully damaged in transit. I send my technician all the way to Kolkotta to rectify a problem at my expense when I sold a TT to an FM. I have replaced TTs when another FM has an issue with the one I had initially sold.
I am pained that after he wanted the TT despite my offer to refund , is now sending PMs to all and sundry as if I am a criminal.. I will leave it to the fellow FM members to make their own conclusions. I will inform Moderators with documents if asked for.

Thanks for this post. In the absence of this post it would not really be known what actually transpired.
 
Yes, I had sold the Technics D-3 to Mr.Naren. The only reason for delay in responding to his claims was to get the details of PM s I had exchanged with him. I do have all the documents with date .
1. Mr. Naren wanted this particular Technics Model D-3 and when I located some one willing to sell one, I informed him . Though initially he wanted to pay only 50%, I informed him that I need to pay the party full amount and he paid me the agreed price.
2. On 21.2.2014 iI picked up the TT and found that the counter weight was not original and I messaged him that I can refund the advance as the players condition was not as good as expected.
3. I will quote his reply"I LIKE THIS TT MODEL AND DO NOT WANT TO LET IT GO". This reply came on the next day.
4. Based on this, I sent the TT to Bangalore. I do admit I did not notice the tone arm lifter. The TT was overhauled by my mechanic and and he also did not mention it to me.
I assured him I will replace both the Head shell and counter weight when I get them. I have sent a PM in June that i got a spare head shell and will send it to him. He responded that he cannot adjust the weight without the original counter weight and I responded that iI will fix it for him when I visit Bangalore next. He claims he has not got this message.
Once I have offered to refund the money describing the condition, he cannot accuse me of lack of transparency. I have documents to prove that i was willing to refund and this part he has conveniently left out to malign my name and I strongly object to it. Where else will he get this kind of a deal? This is the only bitter experience I have had with a Hifi member. If the FM is not satisfied he can return the TT in the condition I gave it to him and I will return his full money.
I have never cheated any buyer . In fact I have replaced free of cost a Thorens 150 to a FM after the Onkyo Integra I sold to him was fully damaged in transit. I send my technician all the way to Kolkotta to rectify a problem at my expense when I sold a TT to an FM. I have replaced TTs when another FM has an issue with the one I had initially sold.
I am pained that after he wanted the TT despite my offer to refund , is now sending PMs to all and sundry as if I am a criminal.. I will leave it to the fellow FM members to make their own conclusions. I will inform Moderators with documents if asked for.


Mr. Kuruvila,

I am glad you have responded and we can discuss this openly. Your allegation that I am out to sully your reputation or name is complete exaggeration. You may be who you are; a father figure to many, an expert and a conscientious seller. In fact, I have made it clear that this was what I experienced and even in my PMs (not to all and sundry as you accuse, but to the people who wrote-in), I have made it clear that you will have your side of it and to contact you if they want it. So I have been objective and fair, to say the least. Anyway, I wrote what I went through and I stick to my side of the story.

1. I have never claimed I was sold something I didn't want, I did want the model in question. That is evident in the fact that I paid the amount agreed upon without hesitation.

2. I did mention in my narration that you had warned me about the counter-weight. It was then you asked me if I wanted a refund, I did say I like the model and wanted it. It was not upon collection and the revelation of the other associated issues I drew your attention to later. There was no offer of refund after collection, which is when I realised the other issues.

3. Yes, I sent that message.

4. In an earlier PM you wrote, 'Since it is a fully automatic player, the arm lift is not that critical unless one wants to play only selected tracks'. This was your response, along with 'Regarding the arm lift, now I remember my mechanic mentioning that he would fit a new one but both of us overlooked it and I am sorry about that.'..... So, you currently claim that you were not aware of it when you say 'I do admit I did not notice the tone arm lifter. The TT was overhauled by my mechanic and and he also did not mention it to me.'...one of these statements is false, isn't it?

5. I have also mentioned that I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY MESSAGE stating 'I will fix it when I in Bangalore next'. The moderators are free to go through my inbox. I have not deleted any of messages, and they can access it even if I have. I repeat, I have not heard from him since my last msg with my postal address on the 29 May....... I don't know if this is because of a technical messaging issue on the forum or not... but I certainly have not received this message. In fact, in one of my PMs to another FM, I mentioned that it was this particular attitude of non-response that pushed me over to write the initial post.

Finally, I have not intention of drawing undue attention to myself nor do I propose to propagate falsehoods against you, Mr. Kuruvila. I have not gone overboard in dramatising anything and hope you will not too. I have written what I went through and said it as is. On the contrary, I have gone further that needed to give you a fair deal by telling anyone who asked me that this was a personal experience and could well be an exception. I can't be more reasonable than that.
 
I think the problem here is mis-communication, and expectations. Not blaming any of the parties and of course, I have always held high regards for Kuruvila sir, I think when Mr. Kuruvila sent a message to Mr. Naren stating that the TT is not as good as expected, Naren might have thought that the TT may have some cosmetic blemishes and there is no problem if it plays fine. This is esp. true if Naren was a newbie for turntables (as once I was too and bought a TT having likewise thoughts too)

Also, Kuruvila sir had promised to provide with the OEM headshell which he has already procured and just that it has to reach Naren, I think this point should be closed now. Reg. the counterweight issue, is the markings not inscribed on the counterweight? My Technics has the numbers inscribed on the counterweight and carries white fonts over it. So, even if the white color fades out, the markings still remain by which the functionality does not gets impaired. Assuming that this counterweight does not have inscription on it, still Mr. Kuruvila has assured to find a spare one for Naren and I am sure, he will sometime soon procure it too, just seeing the vast numbers of turntables that he comes across with.

I value both our FMs equally and also think that Mr. Kuruvila's integrity is unquestionable. Just that some mis-communication and some delay in getting the required stuff has left the transaction in sour taste...but I am sure that all of Naren's concern which were promised will be eventually looked over.

I hope that both you guys talk about it and come to a mutual conclusion.

And dear FMs, if you have some patience, I will like to narrate my story of getting a TT too. Nothing connected to the above transaction, but feeling that I must share what I went through.

I had owned a good number of record players like HMV, Philips, etc. but never a true Hi-fi turntable. When I tumbled in this forum through google, I came to know about Technics. (Yes, I never knew about Technics before joining HFV). Reading about the solid reputation of Technics everywhere on the internet and how reliable and rock solid they are in build quality, I just made my mind that I will buy only a Technics turntable. During my search for technics, a lot of very good Yamahas, Sony, Kenwood, Pioneer, Akai, Dual etc were offered to me. Some at very reasonable prices. But I was determined to get a Technics TT only. I had developed a love for the font too!

Then one fine day, I came across an ad of Technics SL-Q33 on OLX. I immediately called up the seller and came to know that he is a dealer kind of and not a private owner of the TT. Still I went ahead with the deal. Since the dealer was located in Pune, I called up a friend of mine to go inspect the TT and if found satisfactory, I told him to pick it up then & there with a Technics SU 8022 Amp too.

Now, the friend I asked to inspect & collect the stuff was (& still is) a noob when it comes to turntables. He heard the TT sing and reported to be ok. I was inexperienced too and I asked him to get the TT and a Pioneer Amp packed. The Technics amp which I was offered first had developed some problem, hence the seller offered the Pioneer amp, which according to him was in 'mint condition'. He also offered me a Dual idler turntable in place of technics, but I declined over the phone stating that I need a Technics with an S-arm, which should be fully automatic.

He packed the TT well and my friend took the pains to ship that 18kg parcel. Reached to me on time, but when I opened the package, I was disappointed to see the TT. The paint on the TT was on its last leg of life and the stylus and cartridge were very average in reproducing music. Also, the none of the automatic functions were working (the seller told me that it is due to a broken rubber belt inside). Moreover, the headshell and even the feet of the TT were not OEM. The plastic feet were those which you find under those wooden chairs!! I had a mixed feeling of disappointment, anger and felt cheated by the seller.

I was disappointed that what the seller has done to an otherwise a beautiful and such a musical turntable. Shipping it back and asking for another TT was not an option. I decided to live with it and first get familiar to whatever I am having. Gave the TT a nice service which mostly was proper lubrication at relevant points and it started singing. As stated, the cart was nothing to be very fond of. Later changed the broken belt and serviced the entire auto-mechanism myself to get it working like a charm.

But let me come to the amp. The Pioneer SX-434 is considered a very sweet & warm sounding amp in budget. It is a beautiful piece of equipment too. And thankfully, the amp which I received was literally in mint condition. I simply could not eat the fact that it is an amp which was built 40 years ago! It was gorgeous, no problems what so ever, except a couple of bulbs of the receiver dial not working. I replaced those in a jiffy.

Then I got myself a Shure M44-7 cart to couple it with my TT and then the TT sang to it's ability. It sounded very musical and fell in love with the equipment slowly, don't exactly know when. It became my best friend for countless evenings & nights where it would play my favorite vinyls to perfection. Never that turntable skipped a beat in terms of its speed. Always rock solid, both on the strobe and to the ears.

After spending about an year or so, I thought of giving the turntable the share of beauty it always deserved. Hence, I was ready to give up the psychology of original factory paint and decided to get it repainted, but with the original colour.

You can read my experience here:http://www.hifivision.com/phono-turntables/45178-restoration-my-technics-sl-q33.html

Got help of several FMs from here and Mr. Kuruvila even volunteered to get the work done from his technician. But I wanted to do it myself and thankfully everything turned out good. Another gentleman, Hiten came to my rescue when I needed the OEM headshell & the feet for the TT and my TT was finally restored to perfection.

Whenever I play the TT, it sings to perfection - the best testimony of Technics quality and if you visit the link above, you can yourself see how it looks. It was the build quality of Technics that it survived the brunts of the seller and still come out beautiful, clean and reliable with all electronics inside as OEMs. I have taken a close look at the main board too and there is not a single sign of repair anywhere....just goes to show on the build quality and quality of electronics inside.

I think that some patience, some knowledge of mine, and a lot of support from members here is what made my system complete (and even possible in first place). Now when I look in hindsight, I have no regrets of buying this turntable. It is simply what I dreamed of before setting into my hifi vinyl journey. A fully automatic Technics Direct Drive turntable.

For this, I will always be grateful to members here, HFV in general for all the help, support and knowledge I have gained from this forum. I have always received more than I have given to this forum and I literally mean it from the core of my heart.

Thanks for going through my HI-FI story, considering it was kind of longish.:)
 
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Yes, I think another aspect about buying vintage turntables is that one could never get them in perfect condition. There are usually the small niggles that have to be taken care of and also, more often than not, calibration has to be re-done. If a turntable is shipped, it has to be packaged in bomb-proof packaging. Most of the quikr and olx sellers keep packaging to a minumum to cut down on packing effort and shipping costs (some even make a cut on shipping). A whole lot of them dont have a clue about how to ship electronics. Nevertheless Saket, we've followed your story right from the beginning and what you've done is nothing short of amazing!!
 
Gentlemen, as Saket rightly mentioned and in the spirit of our lovely forum, please discuss in person and have it sorted. From the looks of it, does not seem a challenge with no end. Once you've sorted it out, please give us the good news. We are all ambassadors for the greater cause, which is to ensure vinyl and turntables make a strong comeback, if not, to completely takeover 2-channel hi-fi listening. Lets not allow these little differences to stop us in our tracks.

Mr. Kuruvila,

I am glad you have responded and we can discuss this openly. Your allegation that I am out to sully your reputation or name is complete exaggeration. You may be who you are; a father figure to many, an expert and a conscientious seller. In fact, I have made it clear that this was what I experienced and even in my PMs (not to all and sundry as you accuse, but to the people who wrote-in), I have made it clear that you will have your side of it and to contact you if they want it. So I have been objective and fair, to say the least. Anyway, I wrote what I went through and I stick to my side of the story.

1. I have never claimed I was sold something I didn't want, I did want the model in question. That is evident in the fact that I paid the amount agreed upon without hesitation.

2. I did mention in my narration that you had warned me about the counter-weight. It was then you asked me if I wanted a refund, I did say I like the model and wanted it. It was not upon collection and the revelation of the other associated issues I drew your attention to later. There was no offer of refund after collection, which is when I realised the other issues.

3. Yes, I sent that message.

4. In an earlier PM you wrote, 'Since it is a fully automatic player, the arm lift is not that critical unless one wants to play only selected tracks'. This was your response, along with 'Regarding the arm lift, now I remember my mechanic mentioning that he would fit a new one but both of us overlooked it and I am sorry about that.'..... So, you currently claim that you were not aware of it when you say 'I do admit I did not notice the tone arm lifter. The TT was overhauled by my mechanic and and he also did not mention it to me.'...one of these statements is false, isn't it?

5. I have also mentioned that I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY MESSAGE stating 'I will fix it when I in Bangalore next'. The moderators are free to go through my inbox. I have not deleted any of messages, and they can access it even if I have. I repeat, I have not heard from him since my last msg with my postal address on the 29 May....... I don't know if this is because of a technical messaging issue on the forum or not... but I certainly have not received this message. In fact, in one of my PMs to another FM, I mentioned that it was this particular attitude of non-response that pushed me over to write the initial post.

Finally, I have not intention of drawing undue attention to myself nor do I propose to propagate falsehoods against you, Mr. Kuruvila. I have not gone overboard in dramatising anything and hope you will not too. I have written what I went through and said it as is. On the contrary, I have gone further that needed to give you a fair deal by telling anyone who asked me that this was a personal experience and could well be an exception. I can't be more reasonable than that.
 
As far as I am concerned, I will not make any further comments on this thread. I will send Mr.Naren the original head shell by courier and original counter weight when I get one.
 
The issue is not about me being a 'TT newbie' as Saket suggests, but about standardised buying and selling practices. It does not matter; my level of experience or expertise. These practices cut both ways: seller's description, pricing, evaluating and acknowledging the potential problem areas for the buyer, delivery as agreed and post-sale communication and for the buyer - research, direct communication, inspection, negotiation and expectations. These don't need to change based on either the seller's or the buyer's expertness. I never expected a gleaming, laminated, shiny piece of equipment. I had my expectations well grounded.

A final reiteration, I don't take any pleasure in making anyone look foolish, mean-spirited or any other negative adjectives. I did not do this to chip at anyone's reputation, which must be based on a good amount of hard work and years of dedication. I had a dissatisfied experience and I recounted it. I was hoping that it would give others the necessary spark of caution which is advisable regardless, in matters of business.

Though I am not backing down from my side of the story and believe I had reason to be unhappy, thus warranting my outburst, I feel this public skirmish is unsavoury. I agree, this is not an Armageddon issue and can be sorted to some level of mutual satisfaction privately. In the spirit of things, I wish to call a truce and will give direct communication another try to sort out the matter, if Mr. Kuruvila is ok with that.

p.s - On a lighter note, I think my pseudonym is redundant now.
 
eddie - please msg the mods to close this thread.

many other like me have bought and sold on the forum and outside and sometimes comminucations and expectations can be a tricky affair.

My TT is from Mr K and i am not here to take any sides but to try and close this thread.

since a nice weekend is coming up... please enjoi with your music and a few beers and with your loved ones by your side.

regards
mpw
 
eddie - please msg the mods to close this thread.

many other like me have bought and sold on the forum and outside and sometimes comminucations and expectations can be a tricky affair.

My TT is from Mr K and i am not here to take any sides but to try and close this thread.

since a nice weekend is coming up... please enjoi with your music and a few beers and with your loved ones by your side.

regards
mpw



I did not start this thread. The issue just hijacked someone else's thread. I will not be able to request closure, sorry.
 
I would like to appreciate both Naren and Mr.Kuruvilla and especially Naren. He neither lost his good temper nor inked any hard words in this whole thread. As others said it may be a communication error. Try to forget the bitter. Enjoy the weekend.:clapping:
 
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