What results if I play HD content on HD ready TV

[sindabad.sailor]

Hello All,

Since I am looking for my first LCD I have feew doubts even after reading a lot of threads here. I sure have missed more than that I read.

I am believing that if i feed a local cable guy's set top box signal, then going for HD ready makes more sense for size upto 40inch, right?

However i have not figured out by posts here, what results if a true HD source is fed to HD ready TV.Will it be worse than watching SD source on Full HD TV? (Just in case in future we get only HD telecast)

I am worried that my purchasae shdn't turn obsolete in next 3-4 years.
Also, I have a DVP with HDMI and 1080upscaling. W'd an HD ready TV perform ok with upscaled signal from DVP using HDMI cable? Or better not to upscale?

If all above indicate HD ready more VFM than Full HD, then pls suggest some good HD ready LCD tvs of 40/42inch size. Philips service centre is very close to home though I am more inclined for Sony/Panasonic/Samsung/LG etc.

Just that I do not wish to invite another purchase of some better quality STB or service provider coz my existing cable connection makes my Full HD TV look actually pathetic.
And instead I can utilize the budget for a good HD ready tv instead of compromised FullDH ready TV.

Thanks.

 

[illegal]

Hello All,

Since I am looking for my first LCD I have feew doubts even after reading a lot of threads here. I sure have missed more than that I read.

I am believing that if i feed a local cable guy's set top box signal, then going for HD ready makes more sense for size upto 40inch, right?

As per myunderstanding

Full HD vs HD Ready decision should not depend on input your are feeding to the television but it should depend on size of television you are looking for and budget you have.

However i have not figured out by posts here, what results if a true HD source is fed to HD ready TV.Will it be worse than watching SD source on Full HD TV? (Just in case in future we get only HD telecast)
I am worried that my purchasae shdn't turn obsolete in next 3-4 years.

Nope.

Theoretically you loose *some* details when you connect a HD ready television with full HD feed.

Practically for 40/42" TV that lose will *not* be noticeable with naked eye from a reasonable viewing distance.

Also, I have a DVP with HDMI and 1080upscaling. W'd an HD ready TV perform ok with upscaled signal from DVP using HDMI cable? Or better not to upscale?

Does not matter

If all above indicate HD ready more VFM than Full HD, then pls suggest some good HD ready LCD tvs of 40/42inch size. Philips service centre is very close to home though I am more inclined for Sony/Panasonic/Samsung/LG etc.

Some stats here:
Recently I was in the market looking for a 42" television, I got quotes of Rs32.5k for HD Ready television and 64K for Full HD television.

Although the 42" Full HD television(Panasonic V20) had slightly better PQ than HD Ready(Panasonic X20) but it was due to the technologically better panel used in V20 than X20 and not because of the fact that it was FULL HD and the other was HD ready.

So it all depends on budget and personal preference. Personally I believe difference in PQ is not worth the price but there are people looking for best PQ available in market and price does not matter to them.

LCD tvs of 40/42inch size. Philips service centre is very close to home though I am more inclined for Sony/Panasonic/Samsung/LG etc.

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I am a plasma fanboy so wait from answer from someone else.

Just that I do not wish to invite another purchase of some better quality STB or service provider coz my existing cable connection makes my Full HD TV look actually pathetic.
And instead I can utilize the budget for a good HD ready tv instead of compromised FullDH ready TV.
Thanks.

It all depends on the input feed. If you have a bad input feed it will look equally bad on HD ready and Full HD televisions



PS> I am not an expert in this subject matter. Look around in forum and you will find many discussion come to closure with a suggestion "Go for a demo and decide yourself" and same is my suggestion for you.

 

[vardu]

I am believing that if i feed a local cable guy's set top box signal, then going for HD ready makes more sense for size upto 40inch, right?

I am assuming that the feed is normal STB SD quality content and in that case having a HD TV will not give you advantage over an HD ready. But having said that - there are some TVs that can do upscale of SD to HDTV.

I have noticed that even in those TVs though the overall picture quality is actually quite decent (considering the source material) ,there is a faintly unfocused look about the picture.

However i have not figured out by posts here, what results if a true HD source is fed to HD ready TV.Will it be worse than watching SD source on Full HD TV? (Just in case in future we get only HD telecast)

HD ready can mean any of the following

• Have a minimum native display resolution of 720 physical lines in wide aspect ratio.
• Accept HD input via: Analogue YPbPr1, and DVI or HDMI
• Have HD capable inputs that accept 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive (720p), and 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (1080i)
• The DVI or HDMI input must support content protection (HDCP)

The only true HD signal can be from a BD or HDD- Almost all the broadcasts are 1080i. The TVs are progressive at the panel. A main factor for picture quality is the deinterlacer that turns 1080i into 1080p. Nowhere in the world is 1080p being broadcast although it would be legal to do so in the USA.

1920x1080 Blu-ray source or HD broadcast will be downscaled by the HDTV to whatever its native resolution is.

The SD source will be upscaled by the HDTV to whatever its native resolution is.

Chances are higher that the former would be of better PQ than the latter.

I am worried that my purchasae shdn't turn obsolete in next 3-4 years.

At the risk of being rude, I quote the famous Nelson

Unless if your requirements/satisfaction levels stay the same - chances are high that it would be old by then and obsolete in 5 :lol: -> DVD, we barely remember thee - RIP

Also, I have a DVP with HDMI and 1080upscaling. W'd an HD ready TV perform ok with upscaled signal from DVP using HDMI cable? Or better not to upscale?

Honestly, there is no right answer here, too many different models with too many different engines and algorithms, you have to literally take it with you and try it out.

In general though upscaling at a certain level means it is optimized for that and won't be that good for others - and any scaling is never as good as the native.

If all above indicate HD ready more VFM than Full HD, then pls suggest some good HD ready LCD tvs of 40/42inch size. Philips service centre is very close to home though I am more inclined for Sony/Panasonic/Samsung/LG etc.

• HD and HDR will upscale SD
• Both will magnify imperfections from the source
• HD is more expensive
• HD will be apt for HD content (more than HDR)

You have to decide what is important.

Just that I do not wish to invite another purchase of some better quality STB or service provider coz my existing cable connection makes my Full HD TV look actually pathetic.

You can walk into any showroom and see if the SD quality is better on a HDR or FullHD.

They tend to feed a single SD signal through a splitter and you can't get any worse feed quality than that :lol:. The comparison should be easy and if you feel happy with the HDR then go for it.

And instead I can utilize the budget for a good HD ready tv instead of compromised FullDH ready TV.

Good luck with your purchase

 

[NetFreak]

However i have not figured out by posts here, what results if a true HD source is fed to HD ready TV.Will it be worse than watching SD source on Full HD TV? (Just in case in future we get only HD telecast)

There will not be ANY issue with TV content.

If you feed 1080p (Full HD) content to HD Ready (720p) TV, it will simple downscale it to 720p.

You can test it for yourself. Go to any showroom with a display of 20 - 30 flat panel TVs. They would have a player with 1080p output to showcase LED TVs.

Ask them to connect that to any HD Ready and see the output yourself.

 

[sindabad.sailor]

thankx ya,
above was quite informative.

I w'd definitely do demo in showroom. The thing is that I wanted to go prepared to buy.
I am intending to pick up one while transiting Dubai. Hence I won't have enough time to watch many models. Hence I am trying to short list a few, take demo for them and pick one up.

I doubt if I can find HDRs in Dubai malls these days. And even then, if they have SD content available to play. If not, I might have to decide on words of people.
However if 42" HDR if 32.5K in india, I am now in a fix whether to buy in Dubai or not. Coz Buying in dubai is like buying in Grey market. Howsoever nice their international warranties look like, they simply decline it in india. I had that experience with my compaq laptop. Since the problem was very very simple, I did not chase it badly then. However even if I w'd have chosen to, it w'd still have been cumbersome.

So gents, can I now request you to pls suggest 3 good 40/42 inch HD and HDR each. Any brand. It w'd be easy for me to demo these particular models only.

Rgds.

 

[vardu]

I w'd definitely do demo in showroom. The thing is that I wanted to go prepared to buy.
I am intending to pick up one while transiting Dubai. Hence I won't have enough time to watch many models. Hence I am trying to short list a few, take demo for them and pick one up.

I would suggest that you finish all your HD/HDR/SD demos here and then just walk in to the store in Dubai and give the model number.

However if 42" HDR if 32.5K in india, I am now in a fix whether to buy in Dubai or not. Coz Buying in dubai is like buying in Grey market. Howsoever nice their international warranties look like, they simply decline it in india. I had that experience with my compaq laptop. Since the problem was very very simple, I did not chase it badly then. However even if I w'd have chosen to, it w'd still have been cumbersome.

Grey is always that - grey - you are taking a risk and that is something only you can decide.

So gents, can I now request you to pls suggest 3 good 40/42 inch HD and HDR each. Any brand. It w'd be easy for me to demo these particular models only.

Dude c'mon - do a bit of searching in the forums and even other places online/offline and you will hit upon models that you like in the price range that you want.

 

[gadgetcrazy]

Just wanted to know. In your first post you mentioned that you wanted to buy an LCD. I am not too sure you will get an 40-42 inch LCD for 32k.

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[marsilians]

I would suggest that you finish all your HD/HDR/SD demos here and then just walk in to the store in Dubai and give the model number.
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This is not an ethical practice as you are suggesting to exploit and waste the time of sales folks here without an intention to buy. If you intend to audition, you should atleast have an intention to buy in the first place. As much as service is not great in most showrooms, it still takes a lot of money and effort to manage a showroom, so be faithful at the least.

 

[sindabad.sailor]

Gadgetcrazy Just wanted to know. In your first post you mentioned that you wanted to buy an LCD. I am not too sure you will get an 40-42 inch LCD for 32k.
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I was checking on net, some Jumbo in Dubai is listing KLV40EX400 at 735USD which w'd more or less fall in the bracket. I believe it is FHD so if HDR is available then it can be lil bit less than 35k in Dubai. However I too initially thought that getting it at that price is not feasible.

Re: What results if I play HD content on HD ready TV
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Originally Posted by vardu View Post
I would suggest that you finish all your HD/HDR/SD demos here and then just walk in to the store in Dubai and give the model number.
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MArsilian

This is not an ethical practice as you are suggesting to exploit and waste the time of sales folks here without an intention to buy. If you intend to audition, you should atleast have an intention to buy in the first place. As much as service is not great in most showrooms, it still takes a lot of money and effort to manage a showroom, so be faithful at the least.

Well as you rightly said it sounds unethical. But I also believe that guys running showrooms are no more 'Dudh se dhoye'. They have their own unethical practices like delivering used / demo piece w/o customers's consent, charging us VAT and not paying the same to govt, charging us full VAT however keep VAT refund to themselves list can be long. Hence it is more a give and take. I w'd not hesitate to audition in india and buy in Dubai. Apologies if I sound a bit rude.

Vardu: I would suggest that you finish all your HD/HDR/SD demos here and then just walk in to the store in Dubai and give the model number.

How I wish that was possible. Unfortunately I am currently out at sea sailing and w'd get my leave when ship comes to Dubai from where I will travel to home in India. Hence demoing prior visiting malls in Dubai seems impossible.

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However if 42" HDR if 32.5K in india, I am now in a fix whether to buy in Dubai or not. Coz Buying in dubai is like buying in Grey market. Howsoever nice their international warranties look like, they simply decline it in india. I had that experience with my compaq laptop. Since the problem was very very simple, I did not chase it badly then. However even if I w'd have chosen to, it w'd still have been cumbersome.
GreyVardu : is always that - grey - you are taking a risk and that is something only you can decide.

What I meant was that even if I buy an LCD with international warranty in Dubai, Indian service centres most likely refuse to accept that warranty. Hence this would be same as buying from grey market which won't have a warranty. At least this happened to me with Compaq and very close friend with Vaio. Perhaps we might not have pursued the matter with higher levels.

Anyways thanks a lot gents. I am hunting on the net for 3 select models of FHD and 3 of HDRs. W'd sure seek you guys advice once I make up my mind. Till then w'd request your suggestions pls.

Rgds.

 

[vardu]

This is not an ethical practice as you are suggesting to exploit and waste the time of sales folks here without an intention to buy. If you intend to audition, you should atleast have an intention to buy in the first place. As much as service is not great in most showrooms, it still takes a lot of money and effort to manage a showroom, so be faithful at the least.

If you are in the market for a flat-screen and you contact Samsung/Sony/LG/Panasonic and ask them about where to view and demo their televisions - they recommend that you go to their showrooms and try it out.

I have no compunctions whatsoever in following their advice and walking into a Company Showroom and then testing out the product.

Company showrooms likewise know that they are the primary testing grounds and hence tend to treat the customers with disdain resulting in even serious buyers walking away to other places.

 

[hemantwaghe]

This is not an ethical practice as you are suggesting to exploit and waste the time of sales folks here without an intention to buy. If you intend to audition, you should atleast have an intention to buy in the first place. As much as service is not great in most showrooms, it still takes a lot of money and effort to manage a showroom, so be faithful at the least.

Why so bother?
I am certain there are number of folks who demo number of things WITHOUT any intension to buy.

In fact test driving is hobby for some people.

 

[marsilians]

If you are in the market for a flat-screen and you contact Samsung/Sony/LG/Panasonic and ask them about where to view and demo their televisions - they recommend that you go to their showrooms and try it out.

I have no compunctions whatsoever in following their advice and walking into a Company Showroom and then testing out the product.

Company showrooms likewise know that they are the primary testing grounds and hence tend to treat the customers with disdain resulting in even serious buyers walking away to other places.

What you describe above is very different to what you suggested earlier. When a manufacturer advices you to demo in the showroom, it is with the expectations that a sale may come out of it at the end.

No one is forcing you or anyone else to buy a piece of HT gear. If someone is not providing the level of customer service you expect, people can always walk out. Its a lost sale for the retailer AND just because companies do that does not mean you suggest ways to screw them around as well by taking an unfair advantage.

 

[marsilians]

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Well as you rightly said it sounds unethical. But I also believe that guys running showrooms are no more 'Dudh se dhoye'. They have their own unethical practices like delivering used / demo piece w/o customers's consent, charging us VAT and not paying the same to govt, charging us full VAT however keep VAT refund to themselves list can be long. Hence it is more a give and take. I w'd not hesitate to audition in india and buy in Dubai. Apologies if I sound a bit rude.

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At the end of the day its what you conscience would let you do that you should go by. Just because the retailers are not the most open does not mean you also try to cut a corner with them. At this rate everything will end up being chaotic. I am not trying to toot my horn or anything but I have to say that I dont buy fake DVDs or CDs nor have any mp3s downloaded from sites as much as RIAA is not my favourite organization for their policies about working with artists.

One thing I always tell people is that she should do those things that they should be equally comfortable to explain to children. Anyway no more gyaan from my end. Good luck in your TV purchase however you end up securing one.

 

[BLASTO]

One thing I always tell people is that she should do those things that they should be equally comfortable to explain to children.

Off topic..
There would be no children in the first place then..

 

[vardu]

What you describe above is very different to what you suggested earlier. When a manufacturer advices you to demo in the showroom, it is with the expectations that a sale may come out of it at the end.

I thought I was quite clear on my advice to him-"I would suggest that you finish all your HD/HDR/SD demos here and then just walk in to the store in Dubai and give the model number".

No one is forcing you or anyone else to buy a piece of HT gear. If someone is not providing the level of customer service you expect, people can always walk out. Its a lost sale for the retailer AND just because companies do that does not mean you suggest ways to screw them around as well by taking an unfair advantage.

Actually the manufacturer (and in some cases the dealer) is appealing to me as a consumer to buy his product. He is pleading with me to buy his product instead of that of a competitor.

I am doing him a favour by buying his product with my money and they appreciate the favour and hence really don't mind my giving their products a trial run.

It is no different than test driving a Skoda, Honda, Toyota and then buying the car that you liked.

One thing I always tell people is that she should do those things that they should be equally comfortable to explain to children. Anyway no more gyaan from my end. Good luck in your TV purchase however you end up securing one.

I understand what you are trying to say and agree with your theory - just don't think that it applies here.

Cheers

 

[sindabad.sailor]

Hello all,

Many thanks for the replies.

However I am finding it absoloutely difficult to find 40inch + HD ready TV models in Duabi. All that is up on the net is FullHD tvs. I w'd be glad if you suggest me some good HD ready tv models in 40-42inch size. Then searching them w'd be easy.

Someone I know is coming from US soon and is willing to bring in TV of this size for me. However I am afraid if the PAL/NTSC conflict w'd render this tv useless in India. As per the person all TVs sold in IS have a 110/220V selector hence the voltage won't be an issue. He is not sure of PAl/NTSC issue though.

In the mean time can I request you to throw some light on relatively unheard names like Vu, Vizio, BenQ, Toshiba Regza and thier quality?
If no HD ready model seems promising then i have short listed
sony KLV40EX400, Samsung LA40C530 and LG 42LD450. Any takes on these TVs. Sony can be bought at 830USD, Samsung at 750 and LG still cheaper. I believe price in Jan w'd correct in the light of Dubai Shopping Festival.

Rgds.

 

[psychotropic]

Q: What results if I play HD content on HD ready TV?

A: Your head asplode.

 

[shredder]

Q: What results if I play HD content on HD ready TV?

A: Your head asplode.

Here's another possibility:
Q: What results if I play HD content on HD ready TV?

A: The TV will transform into FullHD TV..... the stars will fall from the sky, it will bring a complete end to civilization as we know it, graves will open up and spit out their dead..... there will evolve a new race of 3-legged beings wielding battle-axes and swords, who will take you to task for having dared to play HD content on an HD ready TV.

 

[shredder]

Damn, no offense to the OP but this bug has really bitten me:

Q: What results if I play HD content on HD ready TV?

A: The lion shall lie down with lamb.

 

[shredder]

Q: What results if I play HD content on HD ready TV?

A: Playing HD content on HD ready TV
Would harrow up thy soul, freeze thy young blood,
Make thy two eyes like stars start from their spheres,
Thy knotted and combined locks to part,
And each particular hair to stand on end
Like quills upon the fretful porpentine.