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I think you're replying to jai1611's post while quoting my post
Science is good, and quite advanced in some areas. My posit here is that a seemingly simple phenomena as the passage of a low voltage, low current alternating electricity across a 1-2 meter length of conductor is not as well understood as we seem to think. It is very well to be able to understand and quantise the electrical parameters of an audio cable, but what matters more is to understand how those metrics affect the perceived sound. ....
All I'm saying is measurements are a good starting point. What eventually tips a buying decision is how our ears like a component. And the size of the dent we're willing to suffer to our pocketbook
Apologies. Quoted the wrong post. I think now I know why I failed DBT when can't tell the difference with my eyes opened.
I am not denying something special that science is yet to discover. But where is our common sense? Why is that which you really believe in becomes invisible when you need to prove them under DBT? If you hear extended bass then it is real. The extended bass must exist with your eyes opened or shut. So why you can't hear under DBT.
We won't talk about DBT if science could prove that there is difference in cable. Actually, science did that but whether you can hear them or not . Without science we probably wouldn't know the existence of ultrasonics because we can't hear them. now since we know the existence of them can we claim you could hear them? If so, do you have a moral duty to prove them? Why is it okay for someone to claim they hear the difference but not okay when someone says that it couldn't be. I am willing to listen to cables that would make a difference.
I am asking the person who is making the claim identify just one portion of a track to demonstrate your point of extended bass or highs. Is that so difficult?
Great..
Modified based on feedback
1. It has been scientifically proven that exotic cables make no differences to a system and most differences heard are psychological/placebo or group pressure
2. If you do hear a difference and feel the price is worth it please go ahead ( its your money and none of my business)but please dont advice others to buy unless you have definite proof and can substantiate
3. If you do subscribe to the science view and also do not hear any difference or hear a difference not worth the price, be happy but please do not point fingers at group 2..after all its your money and none of my business
Note :- Newbies- Cables make no difference and dont waste your money irrespective of reviews unless you are able to truly hear a difference and ensure you are not falling into the psychological/placebo or group pressure
is this good ?
If so we can put this as a sticky in the forum
Thad E Ginathom
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Among all things scientific, from the freezing and boiling of water to the extremes of physics where stuff starts to look more mystical than religion, there is one thing, which has been done for over a century [?], that stands above all in its inexplicable mystery.... the transmission of a musical signal as electricity along a wire. This thing is so mysical that sadhus, alchemists and popes stand more chance of explaining it than mere electrical engineers.
...Yeh, I'm applying for a copywriting job at Audioquest.
...Yeh, I'm applying for a copywriting job at Audioquest.
careful prem by calling the cable Draupadi-- if you remove the coating from a cable its can ( Oops..Sorry) affect the sound
.I used the word advice in the 2nd iteration..will that do ?
Hahaha....great comedy.
BTW, any cable believers going to provide any musical piece which would reveal the micro details, extended bass and highs with a particular brand?
@Thad. You better hurry up. I think that's the only thing lacking in audiophile world. maybe, a purification rites for the cables by the Sandus before being despatched to us.
BTW, any cable believers going to provide any musical piece which would reveal the micro details, extended bass and highs with a particular brand?
@Thad. You better hurry up. I think that's the only thing lacking in audiophile world. maybe, a purification rites for the cables by the Sandus before being despatched to us.
Thad E Ginathom
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Ahh yes, I nearly missed that!
And as to the digitisation and playback of musical signals, it is nothing but a complete hoax to suggest that it came from a mathematical theorem which has been implemented by scientists and engineers. Utter hoax! Scientists and engineers cannot even begin to explain it, and should certainly not be so rash and ignorant as to try to tell us which numbers are the right numbers, and which numbers do, or do not, work better than other numbers. Especially when they are so patently stupid as not to realise that bigger are better numbers because... they're bigger.
For science to come dipping its ignorant, uncultured fingers in this stuff is an outrage.
(An outrage, Sir! An Outrage!)
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I guess lets go with this and see if there are any more constructive suggestions from others
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Thad E Ginathom
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If we are not to point the finger at the buyers of exotic cables, we must continue to do so at the sellers.
By the way, god knows who said it, or in what post, now, but... the reason that science does not talk about the subjective, unmeasurable aspects of cables is that there aren't any.
That whole signal is measurable, and if it wasn't, it wouldn't be a signal, so if signal "A" is different to signal "B" then it is measurable. In fact, we probably live with far more measurable differences that we can't hear than hearable differences that we can't measure.
By the way, god knows who said it, or in what post, now, but... the reason that science does not talk about the subjective, unmeasurable aspects of cables is that there aren't any.
That whole signal is measurable, and if it wasn't, it wouldn't be a signal, so if signal "A" is different to signal "B" then it is measurable. In fact, we probably live with far more measurable differences that we can't hear than hearable differences that we can't measure.
@arj. Fail. I said Yes and No to 1. And for 3, maybe can add DBT. It would be good if you can get Mod to put the disclaimer clause in the cable thread. There are too many snake oil peddlers in the audiophile world who would not back up their claim. I wouldn't mind if the reviewers are going to refund me for the cable if it doesn't live up to my expectation. but Then these peddlers would say it is more of matching. chnage your amp or speakers. Enough is enough. If you can hear extended bass or high or micro details. Please tell the track the exact moment it happens.
There was a time that whenever I read a great review about cables I would go out and try them but most of the time I thought I heard the difference so that I become the elite lot with discerning ears. After more money and audition, I realised the best way to get good sound is to rely on science. Unlike, others I am still keeping my ears open. If something is going to improve my sound then why not?
The irony is the more I get the sound correct the sound balance is like the everyday consumer audio system but with better clarity, extended highs and lows. I usually hear the music over the radio then buy the Cd if I like them. At the height of Ra One Chalo chamok, it was playing over the FM on daily basis. Got the CD after few weeks and it sounded so superb with the bass and details which was never heard before. The next day, I put the CD in the car and I was surprised to hear all the new details that I discovered in my main setup were there but it never got mu attention. I asked myself, why didnt I hear them before?
Still waiting for the extended highs and lows sample audio.
There was a time that whenever I read a great review about cables I would go out and try them but most of the time I thought I heard the difference so that I become the elite lot with discerning ears. After more money and audition, I realised the best way to get good sound is to rely on science. Unlike, others I am still keeping my ears open. If something is going to improve my sound then why not?
The irony is the more I get the sound correct the sound balance is like the everyday consumer audio system but with better clarity, extended highs and lows. I usually hear the music over the radio then buy the Cd if I like them. At the height of Ra One Chalo chamok, it was playing over the FM on daily basis. Got the CD after few weeks and it sounded so superb with the bass and details which was never heard before. The next day, I put the CD in the car and I was surprised to hear all the new details that I discovered in my main setup were there but it never got mu attention. I asked myself, why didnt I hear them before?
Still waiting for the extended highs and lows sample audio.
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Thad E Ginathom
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Fantastic
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I have the solution !
Use single core 48 swg wire. Encase it in a gas tight thermally insulated outer case . Pass liquid nitrogen through the case. The wire resistance should drop to practically zero ! The resistance of the contacts would now become suspect. Would someone please try it ? You could sell it for $10,000 per meter plus liquid Nitrogen cylinder.
If the nitrogen sounds farfetched how about guys using plasma tweeters who have Helium cylinders ?
I'm kidding but one can really stretch ones imagination !
Use single core 48 swg wire. Encase it in a gas tight thermally insulated outer case . Pass liquid nitrogen through the case. The wire resistance should drop to practically zero ! The resistance of the contacts would now become suspect. Would someone please try it ? You could sell it for $10,000 per meter plus liquid Nitrogen cylinder.
If the nitrogen sounds farfetched how about guys using plasma tweeters who have Helium cylinders ?
I'm kidding but one can really stretch ones imagination !
dheerajin
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That means one special room for cables..for cryogenic treatment.[emoji2] there are many audiophiles(spelling mistake), who can afford this..
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