LG OLED 65B6 and 65E6 purchase

[HE-MAN]

your either kidding or your too young (no offence )
If thats the case why do we pay more for bmw,audi, mercedes in India then US? Its how it works for few coutries my friend, go see how expensive electronics are in new zealand/australia then go see how expensive cars are in singapore? you just can't say they ripping us indians, have u seen other countries except US?

Cheers.

give this man a cookie. Exactly although our Government are stupid with Taxes it way worse in other countries. Although the warranty part is where beg to differ. All top brands provide good amount of warranty for their product aboard but in India its always 1 year standard bullshit.

 

[sanchits]

your either kidding or your too young (no offence )
If thats the case why do we pay more for bmw,audi, mercedes in India then US? Its how it works for few coutries my friend, go see how expensive electronics are in new zealand/australia then go see how expensive cars are in singapore? you just can't say they ripping us indians, have u seen other countries except US?

Cheers.

Ok... Firstly none of us are kidding, n I am 87 born and have enough experience and knowledge to understand this scenario of higher pricing in India. I have visited most of the countries uve named. I know how n why cars are expensive in Singapore. If u can compare it to few countries which are expensive then why can't we compare it to countries where stuff like this is far cheaper and far better in quality.
My argument is not only prices, my argument is also why we get substandard tvs which conk off with in few yrs and lesser warranty when we pay through our noses.
Why are u digressing, we aren't taking about other stuff, here we where taking about only led tvs. If u go into cars like BMW audi etc... Again its not only taxes which jack up the prices it's also these manufacturers taking us for a ride and I am very much in tune and privy to the auto industry facts which you my friend may not be.
The cars in singaprie are expensive due to govt taxation and policies and cars here are expensive and substandard in some cases due to the manufacturer's themselves taking us for a ride.
Same is the case with Leds., if Leds are imported I can undertand govt taxation and duties but when some brands have stated manufacturing Leds in India. They still are charging two times the premium compared to their international variants.
On top of that, we don't even get reliability and enough warranty to warrant thet high price here.
You may be way more older then I am... And have more experience be try to put things into perspective and then answer.
Rest, you may have a point of view... And I may have a different and both have different way of looking at things...ti each his own. But saying are you kidding or are to young is not needed. Members here are old enough and wise enough to have an opinion on something and share. You can make an argument all right... But dont try to act smart with such comments.

 

[sanchits]

@insane79 Govt taxes and duties aside, the manufacturers them selves out ripping us off be it electronics or automobiles In way more things other then only pricing... That's our point here.
If u want to discuss automobile pricing why we pay more for Audi's, BMW's etc... Pls be my guest and open this topic in the appropriate thread and I'll educate you a bit on this.

 

[sanchits]

give this man a cookie. Exactly although our Government are stupid with Taxes it way worse in other countries. Although the warranty part is where beg to differ. All top brands provide good amount of warranty for their product aboard but in India its always 1 year standard bullshit.

It's not only about govt taxes, I never said it's only our govt which lead to such high prices. It does play a major role in jacking up the prices but manufacturers themselves are taking us for a joy ride.
TVs which are being imported, we age an excuse govt duties and now tvs being manufactured in India we blame The govt... It's due to parts being imported.
C'mon give me a break... You think manufacturers themselves are clean as a whistle.

If this wasnt the case, lg, Samsung and Sony wouldn't have reduced their led tv prices after the invasion of these new cheaper brands like tcl, Sanyo, vu etc which where taking over the market by storm. Most of the TVs here too are being imported from China and are subject to the same duties etc.
This was is the news few weeks back, if you've missed it.
If u want to talk about cars, I can give example of a premium company which is at par In terms of pricing abroad with audi, BMW etc and imports it's cars and still manages to price it extremely well compared to same segments cars which are being assembled /manufactured here by audi n the likes.

 

[Nishabfss]

Prices in remote countries with no production facilities are going to be higher. Not essentially due to taxation. Logistical cost add to price as well.

Why same TV is priced cheaper in Thailand and China then in India, specially when manuf is in-country. 100% mark up cannot be explained.

Also, why sub standard models per models with limited warranty terms are launched in Indian - Car industry as a brilliant example.

Also, please do read comparative advantage theory of economics to understand why things are expensive in NZ, not to forget their geographic location away from most of productive plants.

 

[Santy]

Please get back to topic.

 

[HE-MAN]

It's not only about govt taxes, I never said it's only our govt which lead to such high prices. It does play a major role in jacking up the prices but manufacturers themselves are taking us for a joy ride.
TVs which are being imported, we age an excuse govt duties and now tvs being manufactured in India we blame The govt... It's due to parts being imported.
C'mon give me a break... You think manufacturers themselves are clean as a whistle.

If this wasnt the case, lg, Samsung and Sony wouldn't have reduced their led tv prices after the invasion of these new cheaper brands like tcl, Sanyo, vu etc which where taking over the market by storm. Most of the TVs here too are being imported from China and are subject to the same duties etc.
This was is the news few weeks back, if you've missed it.
If u want to talk about cars, I can give example of a premium company which is at par In terms of pricing abroad with audi, BMW etc and imports it's cars and still manages to price it extremely well compared to same segments cars which are being assembled /manufactured here by audi n the likes.

Prices depend on lot of things but the major one is government rules and regulation and what kind of trade agreement the government has with country from the product is imported. Even if a Tv is assembled in India the Panel has to produced locally only then price come down. Otherwise it only neglects some logistics expenditure. To compete with Chinese and Local players, All big brands lowered the price by lowering the quality ( is this what I think ). They might have though look people are buying cheap chinese crap in bulk , they don't care about quality, let's make lower quality products and sell for a bit less. Also not all cheap products are bad some are very good for the price. The main problem is our country is not strict with rules and regulation. In USA if a company does something shady or is sued they bleed money money from their noses. ( Volkswagen emission case ). In India you won't even win a case in time to get warranty for a in warranty product.

The main problem I have is not price but warranty, How comes this big brands provide 3-4 years warranty as standard or extended but free of cost. We have to pay for extended warranty even then it's not 100% guarantee that a company will honour it. Government should make strict rules like, if a company, Local or international wants to sell a Led-LCD-OLED or whatever unit then they should provide 2 years warranty as standard, First year for panel and parts, Second year for panel only.

 

[prankey]

Prices depend on lot of things but the major one is government rules and regulation and what kind of trade agreement the government has with country from the product is imported. Even if a Tv is assembled in India the Panel has to produced locally only then price come down. Otherwise it only neglects some logistics expenditure. To compete with Chinese and Local players, All big brands lowered the price by lowering the quality ( is this what I think ). They might have though look people are buying cheap chinese crap in bulk , they don't care about quality, let's make lower quality products and sell for a bit less. Also not all cheap products are bad some are very good for the price. The main problem is our country is not strict with rules and regulation. In USA if a company does something shady or is sued they bleed money money from their noses. ( Volkswagen emission case ). In India you won't even win a case in time to get warranty for a in warranty product.

The main problem I have is not price but warranty, How comes this big brands provide 3-4 years warranty as standard or extended but free of cost. We have to pay for extended warranty even then it's not 100% guarantee that a company will honour it. Government should make strict rules like, if a company, Local or international wants to sell a Led-LCD-OLED or whatever unit then they should provide 2 years warranty as standard, First year for panel and parts, Second year for panel only.

Absolutely true. They were selling smartphones cheaper but that's also jacked up with no discounts allowed online. Opened up window for small time importers to sell significantly cheaper with seller warranty.

Even Oppo BDPs which maintains prices in US sells significantly costlier here.

So while we need to understand the economy of scale, logistics and production issues. If we are discussing, we need to arrive at a possible conclusion and most importantly a feasible solution/suggestion/petition for government to be able to implement

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[insane79]

Please get back to topic.

thanks for coming in & clearing the mess you guys should ban members who make it so personal, anyways thanks.

 

[sanchits]

Prices depend on lot of things but the major one is government rules and regulation and what kind of trade agreement the government has with country from the product is imported. Even if a Tv is assembled in India the Panel has to produced locally only then price come down. Otherwise it only neglects some logistics expenditure. To compete with Chinese and Local players, All big brands lowered the price by lowering the quality ( is this what I think ). They might have though look people are buying cheap chinese crap in bulk , they don't care about quality, let's make lower quality products and sell for a bit less. Also not all cheap products are bad some are very good for the price. The main problem is our country is not strict with rules and regulation. In USA if a company does something shady or is sued they bleed money money from their noses. ( Volkswagen emission case ). In India you won't even win a case in time to get warranty for a in warranty product.

The main problem I have is not price but warranty, How comes this big brands provide 3-4 years warranty as standard or extended but free of cost. We have to pay for extended warranty even then it's not 100% guarantee that a company will honour it. Government should make strict rules like, if a company, Local or international wants to sell a Led-LCD-OLED or whatever unit then they should provide 2 years warranty as standard, First year for panel and parts, Second year for panel only.

Exactly, I have said this too, I don't mid paying the premium provided we get equally good products with equally good warranty and support from these premium companies.
The cheaper chinese companies, we are paying less and we know what we are getting into but then we are also paying way less then these established brands.
When it comes to these brands, we also pay higher prices and then we Al's I get the lowest warranties and then sub par support post warranty expiration where in these companies again take us for a ride by giving us option like pricey panel replcements or buy back schemes which agaib is like throwing money after bad.

 

[sanchits]

thanks for coming in & clearing the mess you guys should ban members who make it so personal, anyways thanks.

I beelieve you guys should bann members making personal remarks too. When u make a personal remark, then the other person will take it personally n be ready to take it back as well.
You csn just agree to disagree and make your point.
We should also ban members who don't have any substance to add to the topic at hand or forum.
Mess will be cleared when such people are banned.
People are here to discuss about the topic at hand and make an argument or point and not about the person making it, which is what you did. I rest my case
Cheers.

 

[insane79]

Never Mind..

 

[asliarun]

Re: Silly Question(s)

Part 2 : While I was in US for office sponsored trip, 65 ' LG OLED were easily available at 1500-2000 during BF sale.

Why LG/Samsung charging so much premium for electronics in India specially now when LG got a NOIDA manufacturing.

Samsung should be boycotted simply because they are not allowing online stores to offer discounts and keeping prices stagnant.

Why they not doing this in US? They were offering 55 UHD at $499 with Sound Bar. Here they will charge 200K for same.

Beyond me why a TV manufactured in Asia sells for cheaper in US than in India.

That is not true at all. LG B6 65" has absolutely never sold for anywhere close to $1500, even during Black Friday. Right now, it lists on Amazon US for $3500 and in Amazon UK for 2700 pounds.

Last Black Friday in November 2016, the B6 65" was sold for $2800, and the B6 55" was sold for 1800. Read the CNET article. $2800 is nowhere close to $1500 which is what you claimed. Not sure if you are confusing this with 55" panel price (even that only dropped to $1800 in Black Friday).

I also do not understand why you compare the absolute rock bottom price that only occurs 1-2 days in a year in the country where electronics are cheapest (due to sheer volume of sales). And then you expect prices everywhere else in the world to be the same as that rock-bottom sale price??

Furthermore, LG might have a factory in India, but are they making their OLED panels in India too??

If you want to do a fair apples-apples comparison, compare the current non-sale US prices to non-sale Indian prices. It works out to about 2.2L-2.3L just doing a direct conversion. If Indian prices are about 3.5L, that is a markup of about 60%. Admittedly, it is a bit steep and could easily be lower. But it is debatable if you would consider it a rip-off.

Interestingly enough, if you are looking for better value for money, go for the 55" B6. The US price is $2300 in Amazon which works out to about 1.5L rupees. From the threads, it looks like it is being sold for 1.8L rupees or so. That is hardly a 20% markup over the US price and is quite an incredibly competitive price.

 

[insane79]

Re: Silly Question(s)

That is not true at all. LG B6 65" has absolutely never sold for anywhere close to $1500, even during Black Friday. Right now, it lists on Amazon US for $3500 and in Amazon UK for 2700 pounds.

Last Black Friday in November 2016, the B6 65" was sold for $2800, and the B6 55" was sold for 1800. Read the CNET article. $2800 is nowhere close to $1500 which is what you claimed. Not sure if you are confusing this with 55" panel price (even that only dropped to $1800 in Black Friday).

I also do not understand why you compare the absolute rock bottom price that only occurs 1-2 days in a year in the country where electronics are cheapest (due to sheer volume of sales). And then you expect prices everywhere else in the world to be the same as that rock-bottom sale price??

Furthermore, LG might have a factory in India, but are they making their OLED panels in India too??

If you want to do a fair apples-apples comparison, compare the current non-sale US prices to non-sale Indian prices. It works out to about 2.2L-2.3L just doing a direct conversion. If Indian prices are about 3.5L, that is a markup of about 60%. Admittedly, it is a bit steep and could easily be lower. But it is debatable if you would consider it a rip-off.

Interestingly enough, if you are looking for better value for money, go for the 55" B6. The US price is $2300 in Amazon which works out to about 1.5L rupees. From the threads, it looks like it is being sold for 1.8L rupees or so. That is hardly a 20% markup over the US price and is quite an incredibly competitive price.

Spot on i agree with you But lets stick to the topic bro. Let it be.

 

[prankey]

Re: Silly Question(s)

That is not true at all. LG B6 65" has absolutely never sold for anywhere close to $1500, even during Black Friday. Right now, it lists on Amazon US for $3500 and in Amazon UK for 2700 pounds.

Last Black Friday in November 2016, the B6 65" was sold for $2800, and the B6 55" was sold for 1800. Read the CNET article. $2800 is nowhere close to $1500 which is what you claimed. Not sure if you are confusing this with 55" panel price (even that only dropped to $1800 in Black Friday).

I also do not understand why you compare the absolute rock bottom price that only occurs 1-2 days in a year in the country where electronics are cheapest (due to sheer volume of sales). And then you expect prices everywhere else in the world to be the same as that rock-bottom sale price??

Furthermore, LG might have a factory in India, but are they making their OLED panels in India too??

If you want to do a fair apples-apples comparison, compare the current non-sale US prices to non-sale Indian prices. It works out to about 2.2L-2.3L just doing a direct conversion. If Indian prices are about 3.5L, that is a markup of about 60%. Admittedly, it is a bit steep and could easily be lower. But it is debatable if you would consider it a rip-off.

Interestingly enough, if you are looking for better value for money, go for the 55" B6. The US price is $2300 in Amazon which works out to about 1.5L rupees. From the threads, it looks like it is being sold for 1.8L rupees or so. That is hardly a 20% markup over the US price and is quite an incredibly competitive price.

I saw 55 B6 on Amazon.com for around 2k USD. And it is available at effective price of around 1.7 Lacs after a cashback of around 15k on PayTM.. But PayTM is terrible in terms of returns and its mostly a refurbished/open box item as observed on PayTM and Shopclues.

Anyway.. In terms of Netflix - I took a trial 4k subscription to test and while I can't go beyond 1080p, my Spectranet is still struggling to give even 720p! So I stand corrected - Netflix on Spectranet Gurgaon still suck as it stays around 240p quite a lot of times or buffers randomly atleast at this time in night (wasn't the case earlier).

Back to B6 and E6: Would appreciate if someone can confirm if we get atleast Dolby Digital stream through ARC (if not DD+ which 2017 models seems to be supporting according to a report). I also did a Netflix test streaming test which seems to have been designed to support till 720p but observed 2 bit rate streams for 720p suggesting that 4k may also have multiple compression streams

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[karthikey_a]

Hi
Any idea when lg release is going to release 2017 models in india like B7 series?
Should i wait for 2017 model or buy 2016 model?

Thanks

 

[HE-MAN]

Hi
Any idea when lg release is going to release 2017 models in india like B7 series?
Should i wait for 2017 model or buy 2016 model?

Thanks

I think you should wait because in terms of picture quality 2017 models of Oled are more amazing and they improved a lot overall. Since you waited this long wait a few months more. Late June is expected for new releases.

 

[prankey]

I think you should wait because in terms of picture quality 2017 models of Oled are more amazing and they improved a lot overall. Since you waited this long wait a few months more. Late June is expected for new releases.

Unless you need 3D as currently E6 is the best and probably only choice (and VU 75" which probably don't have HDR support despite their claim).

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[karthikey_a]

thanks. I guess pricing will be much higher than current 2016 prices.

 

[prankey]

thanks. I guess pricing will be much higher than current 2016 prices.

I don't think so going by the history. Only few K more. B7 may launch much cheaper than E6 (and superior in picture quality minus 3D).

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