46/47" HDTV to buy this Diwali, which one?

[adder]

1 lcd is going to win the flat panel battle,i don't see OLED coming anytime soon.

2 They do heat up,which is why they require active cooling ,comes with lot of fans,where as lcds are all passively cooled.
They heat up most when displaying a full screen white image or a bright image.This is also the same time the power consumption is at their max.Depending on the make some plasma tvs dim the brightness to save the PSU from going kaput and also to meet the tougher energy laws.Some of the other plasma limit their brightness to a pre determined level irrespective of the content being played.
Its due to ABL.

All tvs may get damaged if excessive heat is built up.

3 NO

4 Lag depends on the picture processing,response time of plasmas are faster,but they have their own problems like phosphor trail.

5 trust me neither of the tech will last that long,before the panel the electronics will conk off,but in plasma there are much more components to go wrong.

7 Whiles its hard to get a burn in if you are careful,its not impossible.A member in this forum bought a demo piece with burn in.Also plasma makers they self don't give any assurance.
Break in should be easy,there are many guides.
There are also some reports of cold temperature playing a role in plasma tvs.When the tvs are switched on from a cold start the sudden heat build up may cause the screen to crack internally or switch off temporarily.

 

[csczero]

becasue questions are another page , let me make others life easy

also someone was quoting 50" x20 65 K

WTF happened to my post????
Anyways, update.
Visited showrooms, saw SS, LG and Sony 46/47" side by side. Sony wasn't calibrated properly, SS had slightly more detail in shadows and blacks. LG had better upscaling (SD seemed to look better. LG also had better quality in fast action scenes, the SS looked noisy somewhat.

Then visited PS showroom. Saw the full HD V20 and X20 and liked them a lot. Prob is V20 50" is 1.18L and X20 is 91K. Decided not to spend too much after chatting with 2-3 members on this forum, and have decided not to let my budget creep. Couldn't check quality of Panny with SD content, but HD looks really nice, good blacks, nice contrast. From 5 feet away, I can notice pixels seeming to swim, or giving the appearance of moving with some irregularity. There was a scene with swirling smoke.

42" V20 is 61K. Pretty decent, except that I want 46/47", if not 50". Need to find out the price of the X20 46".

Might consider plasma too, but have a few queries. Please answer them pointwise, if possible. Will be a big help to me, and to newbies looking deciding between LCD and plasma.

1) Is plasma a dead technology? Is LCD the future?
2) Do plasma TVs heat up a lot, requiring AC in summer? Can my TV get damaged if I use it without an AC in the Delhi summer? Checked back of TV in the showroom, was quite warm.
3) Are plasmas better at SD content than LCD/LED?
4) Which is better for gaming - plasma or LCD? - Lag, pixel response, fast action scenes?
5) Do plasmas have long life? Panny quotes 1 lakh hours. For LCDs it is 60K hours.
6) How is Panny service in India? I know they have a 3 yr warranty, but how is the service?
7) How much of a hassle is a plasma - burn in, break in of the panel, other stuff? I know LCDs aren't plagued with this. I mean, there seem to be a lot of minus points - what am I buying into?

 

[shredder]

1 lcd is going to win the flat panel battle,i don't see OLED coming anytime soon.

2 They do heat up,which is why they require active cooling ,comes with lot of fans,where as lcds are all passively cooled.
They heat up most when displaying a full screen white image or a bright image.This is also the same time the power consumption is at their max.Depending on the make some plasma tvs dim the brightness to save the PSU from going kaput and also to meet the tougher energy laws.Some of the other plasma limit their brightness to a pre determined level irrespective of the content being played.
Its due to ABL.

All tvs may get damaged if excessive heat is built up.

3 NO

4 Lag depends on the picture processing,response time of plasmas are faster,but they have their own problems like phosphor trail.

5 trust me neither of the tech will last that long,before the panel the electronics will conk off,but in plasma there are much more components to go wrong.

7 Whiles its hard to get a burn in if you are careful,its not impossible.A member in this forum bought a demo piece with burn in.Also plasma makers they self don't give any assurance.
Break in should be easy,there are many guides.
There are also some reports of cold temperature playing a role in plasma tvs.When the tvs are switched on from a cold start the sudden heat build up may cause the screen to crack internally or switch off temporarily.

My dearest adder

I am shocked!!! How dare you even suggest that LCDs are better? How LCD, being lighter, can win any battle when heavier Plasma is there?? If you put Floyd "Money" Mayweather in a match with Andrew Golota, who you think will win??? The heavyweight, Golota, of course!!!

Plasmas are also much much much much much better because they are like all-weather friend. In summer they can be used as AC to cool your room and in winter they can be used as heater to heat the room. If you don't believe then open the back of the plasma and take out the fan/s. Put the fans facing you in summer and you will enjoy cool breeze. In winter disable the fan and you will be warm. Companies like Panasonic are tweaking their TVs to lose a little of black levels "gradually" over time so that customers are forced to buy new TV every few years. This is done because people who buy plasma TV are rich, and they can afford to buy new one at regular intervals. Don't blame company: a rich man can afford to be robbed. Plasma will not get damaged because of excessive heat. If it becomes too hot just pour some water on it. It will not get spoilt even then because it is superior to LCD in so many ways.

Why you are shouting "NO"??? Of course plasma image is better. It can even do double duty as a mirror when switched off. So it is better display. It can display SD, HD and RD (real life definition).

How dare you mention response time of plasmas? Plasmas are having fastest response times in entire universe. In some fast paced scenes the plasma itself will start moving. For egg: when villian shoots at Rajnikanth, the TV will move when displaying picture of shooting villian so that his aim if thrown off and bullet cannot hit hero. Same with Mithun Chakraborty films.

You are suggesting that Plasma electrical components are inferior? How? Plasma cannot get spoilt. It is impossible!!! It has been around since the stone age. Even if you fire stinger missile at it, nothing will happen because plasma is like Sunny Deol = indestructible. And why you are praising LCD so much? You know that LCD being bright can give you night-blindness??? In fact, LCD is also responsible for causing many diseases like malaria, swine-flu and even AIDS.

Burn-in is impossible in plasma. Even if you throw inside a furnace it will not get burn-in. Plasma makers don't give any assurance because they know it will not get burn-in. Why fill customer's mind with doubt and fear, instead of allowing them to watch TV in peace? And why give people a chance to take them to court for something that will never happen?? Cold temperature playing role in plasma operation?? I am flabbergasted at this news. It is not true. It can never be true!!! Instead plasma plays role in cold temperature operation.

Why you are spreading all these useless things about plasma when you know that plasma is the best in entire world? You are a misanthropist in the guise of a philanthropist. You are evil, you are unkind, you are plasma-hater.

With warm(no pun intended) regards

 

[amigoatul]

LOLz! LMAO! This is some funny shit.

 

[csczero]

My dearest adder

I am shocked!!! How dare you even suggest that LCDs are better? How LCD, being lighter, can win any battle when heavier Plasma is there?? If you put Floyd "Money" Mayweather in a match with Andrew Golota, who you think will win??? The heavyweight, Golota, of course!!!

Plasmas are also much much much much much better because they are like all-weather friend. In summer they can be used as AC to cool your room and in winter they can be used as heater to heat the room. If you don't believe then open the back of the plasma and take out the fan/s. Put the fans facing you in summer and you will enjoy cool breeze. In winter disable the fan and you will be warm. Companies like Panasonic are tweaking their TVs to lose a little of black levels "gradually" over time so that customers are forced to buy new TV every few years. This is done because people who buy plasma TV are rich, and they can afford to buy new one at regular intervals. Don't blame company: a rich man can afford to be robbed. Plasma will not get damaged because of excessive heat. If it becomes too hot just pour some water on it. It will not get spoilt even then because it is superior to LCD in so many ways.

Why you are shouting "NO"??? Of course plasma image is better. It can even do double duty as a mirror when switched off. So it is better display. It can display SD, HD and RD (real life definition).

How dare you mention response time of plasmas? Plasmas are having fastest response times in entire universe. In some fast paced scenes the plasma itself will start moving. For egg: when villian shoots at Rajnikanth, the TV will move when displaying picture of shooting villian so that his aim if thrown off and bullet cannot hit hero. Same with Mithun Chakraborty films.

You are suggesting that Plasma electrical components are inferior? How? Plasma cannot get spoilt. It is impossible!!! It has been around since the stone age. Even if you fire stinger missile at it, nothing will happen because plasma is like Sunny Deol = indestructible. And why you are praising LCD so much? You know that LCD being bright can give you night-blindness??? In fact, LCD is also responsible for causing many diseases like malaria, swine-flu and even AIDS.

Burn-in is impossible in plasma. Even if you throw inside a furnace it will not get burn-in. Plasma makers don't give any assurance because they know it will not get burn-in. Why fill customer's mind with doubt and fear, instead of allowing them to watch TV in peace? And why give people a chance to take them to court for something that will never happen?? Cold temperature playing role in plasma operation?? I am flabbergasted at this news. It is not true. It can never be true!!! Instead plasma plays role in cold temperature operation.

Why you are spreading all these useless things about plasma when you know that plasma is the best in entire world? You are a misanthropist in the guise of a philanthropist. You are evil, you are unkind, you are plasma-hater.

With warm(no pun intended) regards

Right or wrong ? i dont care ! i loved the way you put it hyeah:hyeah:

 

[adder]

My dearest adder

I am shocked!!! How dare you even suggest that LCDs are better? How LCD, being lighter, can win any battle when heavier Plasma is there?? If you put Floyd "Money" Mayweather in a match with Andrew Golota, who you think will win??? The heavyweight, Golota, of course!!!

Plasmas are also much much much much much better because they are like all-weather friend. In summer they can be used as AC to cool your room and in winter they can be used as heater to heat the room. If you don't believe then open the back of the plasma and take out the fan/s. Put the fans facing you in summer and you will enjoy cool breeze. In winter disable the fan and you will be warm. Companies like Panasonic are tweaking their TVs to lose a little of black levels "gradually" over time so that customers are forced to buy new TV every few years. This is done because people who buy plasma TV are rich, and they can afford to buy new one at regular intervals. Don't blame company: a rich man can afford to be robbed. Plasma will not get damaged because of excessive heat. If it becomes too hot just pour some water on it. It will not get spoilt even then because it is superior to LCD in so many ways.

Why you are shouting "NO"??? Of course plasma image is better. It can even do double duty as a mirror when switched off. So it is better display. It can display SD, HD and RD (real life definition).

How dare you mention response time of plasmas? Plasmas are having fastest response times in entire universe. In some fast paced scenes the plasma itself will start moving. For egg: when villian shoots at Rajnikanth, the TV will move when displaying picture of shooting villian so that his aim if thrown off and bullet cannot hit hero. Same with Mithun Chakraborty films.

You are suggesting that Plasma electrical components are inferior? How? Plasma cannot get spoilt. It is impossible!!! It has been around since the stone age. Even if you fire stinger missile at it, nothing will happen because plasma is like Sunny Deol = indestructible. And why you are praising LCD so much? You know that LCD being bright can give you night-blindness??? In fact, LCD is also responsible for causing many diseases like malaria, swine-flu and even AIDS.

Burn-in is impossible in plasma. Even if you throw inside a furnace it will not get burn-in. Plasma makers don't give any assurance because they know it will not get burn-in. Why fill customer's mind with doubt and fear, instead of allowing them to watch TV in peace? And why give people a chance to take them to court for something that will never happen?? Cold temperature playing role in plasma operation?? I am flabbergasted at this news. It is not true. It can never be true!!! Instead plasma plays role in cold temperature operation.

Why you are spreading all these useless things about plasma when you know that plasma is the best in entire world? You are a misanthropist in the guise of a philanthropist. You are evil, you are unkind, you are plasma-hater.

With warm(no pun intended) regards

Well i have no idea whats your post meant to imply,But it was sure funny.

Anyway i said my findings and facts.

I won't argue with plasma + point ,which is "plasmas doubling up as room heaters".

 

[Vandal]

Adder, guys, so OK - crunch time...LG 47" LD650 or Panny U46/U50?
The way I see it, the latter seems to have a visual edge although this is debatable. The former seems to have more of a hassle free existence. I don't mind a few hassles, but I wouldn't want my TV to go kaput, especially since I might also shift from Delhi in the near future, and I read that plasmas should not be transported horizontally. This is not easy. I see now why there are forums for even consumer electronics.

I just hope that after picking up one of the TVs, I don't go "shit, I should have bought the other"....

 

[csczero]

any reason you stroked out LD460?

 

[Vandal]

Might be a slightly lower end panel in the LD460, from what I could see, the contrast on the LD650 seemed slightly better. Also 2 HDMI ports would suck for me, since a PC, and a PS3 would be connected at all times.

 

[adder]

Adder, guys, so OK - crunch time...LG 47" LD650 or Panny U46/U50?
The way I see it, the latter seems to have a visual edge although this is debatable. The former seems to have more of a hassle free existence. I don't mind a few hassles, but I wouldn't want my TV to go kaput, especially since I might also shift from Delhi in the near future, and I read that plasmas should not be transported horizontally. This is not easy. I see now why there are forums for even consumer electronics.

I would go with a lcd but not the one mentioned,did you have a look at samsung C630.
Adjust all the tvs to their best .

 

[Vandal]

also someone was quoting 50" x20 65 K

Who gave this quote? Was it on this forum? Can you recall where it was?

 

[csczero]

yes i can

http://www.hifivision.com/television/13167-largest-full-hd-screen-about-70k-3.html

 

[Vandal]

I saw the C530. Found it worse than the LG but with SD content. The C630 wasn't in stock @ this SS outlet.

 

[Vandal]

Adder, BTW does Sammy have a C630 in 46"? Cause the site shows the 46" as being the C650. The C630 is a 32" only on their site.

csczero - my bad, I was not referring to the X series Panny, but the V series, one below the U series. Full HD 50", the V50, the best am getting is 81K.

Additionally guys, have been thinking, for using with my PC also, I might do some surfing and such, and definitely try some gaming, will a plasma be a good choice, given the chance of burn in? I use a lot of MS Word, which is a white background...

 

[adder]

^ i meant generally ,the C6xx.

For pc a lcd will lbe a better option especially for text and static images.
If its a white background the power consumption and the heat will be at their peak,you will also notice the plasma showing a dimmer image,in some cases as low as 1/3rd their peak brightness.

 

[Vandal]

when it comes to mouse lag, input lag, isn't IPS better than PVA in general?

 

[shredder]

IMHO you will notice input lag in neither panel.

 

[adder]

when it comes to mouse lag, input lag, isn't IPS better than PVA in general?

Not exactly ,perhaps in the past but not any more.Input lag these days primarily depends on the image processing.

 

[Vandal]

Almost finalised on the TV. Another query for you very helpful people, and I do not want to open a new thread for this...

Getting comparatively good prices for 47 and 55". I've done the calculator thing, and visited different sites for viewing distance and such. But am confused, for SD and DVD content, and regular TV viewing, from a distance of 5.5~10 feet, subjectively speaking, what how is 47" VS 55"? Obviously, for HD the difference is minimal. Opinions?

 

[theironhorse]

if 1.3 is the budget

why dont u go for sony HX800 or sammy c7000

sony hx800 40in 119k
sony hx800 46in 145k (not sure)

sammy c7000 40in 108k
sammy c7000 46in 144k

and lts of freebies with both of them.

pair of active glasses and bdp player.


and they are 3d you will be future proof also for 8-10 feet and will not definitely not
rule out a 46.. it should be good..