Are the newly released LP records in Hindi, any good?

[prem]

None of the releases are bootlegs. I don’t want wrong information going out. Typically a cd copy is made from the original DAT and given to the cd manufacturer or the vinyl manufacturer. That’s the industry practice. Nobody gives the original DAT.

There may be some stray cases. But 95% of the stuff out there is all made with the presently available digital master in the music companies.

Read the fine print on the back jacket cover. It clearly says who the rights belong to. It will usually say p & c Super Cassettes or TIPS etc.

I am closely associated with the music industry. So I am aware of these vinyl licensing deals.

We are not discussing the sound quality of the vinyls here. We are only discussing whether it’s legit or a bootleg.

 

[bhooshaniyer]

None of the releases are bootlegs. I don’t want wrong information going out. Typically a cd copy is made from the original DAT and given to the cd manufacturer or the vinyl manufacturer. That’s the industry practice. Nobody gives the original DAT.

There may be some stray cases. But 95% of the stuff out there is all made with the presently available digital master in the music companies.

Read the fine print on the back jacket cover. It clearly says who the rights belong to. It will usually say p & c Super Cassettes or TIPS etc.

I am closely associated with the music industry. So I am aware of these vinyl licensing deals.

We are not discussing the sound quality of the vinyls here. We are only discussing whether it’s legit or a bootleg.

We also are discussing sound quality. Anyway i still maintain these are not only poor sounding compared even to original cd( i gave Bombay as a case in point) that they are also a non standard bootleg type release. Tne guys bringing out these vinyls, my god I pity if the "industry" is these people. I understand you are from the industry and have a different view. And i respect that.

 

[bhooshaniyer]

Typically a cd copy is made from the original DAT and given to the cd manufacturer or the vinyl manufacturer. That’s the industry practice. Nobody gives the original DAT.

This was ok when the label did the mastering and fitting the files for vinyl. Now no label has mastering engineer for vinyl or cd - only youtube/Spotify mastering..so there is no mastering for vinyl..so what goes out to the vinyl maker is a Spotify eqd file with loudness as motive and no meaningful dr. This eqd and squished file is then taken by the vinyl maker and eqd for vinyl by Suresh and ramesh in back of the house setup before being sent to Austria and now Bombay for steaming on vinyl style print. No wonder they sound worse than first edition cds.

 

[bhooshaniyer]

Once more if there are official releases,.why are they not sold officially on the label website again? Yeah,. deafening silence there.

 

[prem]

When it’s licensed out, the marketing rights are with the licensee. Not with the licensor. The licensing rights are taken against a committed amount. It is usually a minimum guarantee. So the onus is on the licensee to recover this money.

No label in India has a vinyl mastering engineer. So even if Sony or TIPS were to release the vinyls on their own, they wouldn’t be mastering here. The digital copy of the original master would be sent to the vinyl plant where it would be mastered and replicated.

I used to have all the first press CDs and now I have the vinyls. In most cases the vinyl is superior to the first press cd. In a few places they are equal. And in very rare cases are they inferior. Here we are only talking of film releases post 90s.

The 60s, 70s and 80s re releases on vinyl sound bad.

 

[bhooshaniyer]

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When it’s licensed out, the marketing rights are with the licensee. Not with the licensor. The licensing rights are taken against a committed amount. It is usually a minimum guarantee. So the onus is on the licensee to recover this money.

No label in India has a vinyl mastering engineer. So even if Sony or TIPS were to release the vinyls on their own, they wouldn’t be mastering here. The digital copy of the original master would be sent to the vinyl plant where it would be mastered and replicated.

I used to have all the first press CDs and now I have the vinyls. In most cases the vinyl is superior to the first press cd. In a few places they are equal. And in very rare cases are they inferior. Here we are only talking of film releases post 90s.

The 60s, 70s and 80s re releases on vinyl sound bad.

All of these points mentioned above are non standard and flies in the face of industry wide vinyl mastering process and practice. Vinyl is.hifi first and foremost. It's all about master and mastering. When rhino does this it's looked down upon. I see a lot for excuses for why it's not be thought of as bootleg even as it closely resembles one as a practice and frankly even in user experience. So I stick to my assertion until it hurts someone and they stop this game.

 

[prem]

Speaker Corner, Mofi are examples of guys who license titles from the original owners and do their own mastering and release them. They get a license for a limited time period or a limited run. These titles are not sold on the original copyright holder websites.

Practice here in India is something similar. The fact that mastering can be improved is a different topic altogether. But calling them a bootleg is not correct.

If you are not aware of worldwide practice of licensing titles, you should not be commenting on them and label them bootlegs.

In 2012, most of the Indian music companies were willing to license out their titles to me for manufacture of LPs. But I didn’t see much profit in it and turned it down.

I am commenting on this thread from a position of understanding of what this license business is about.

 

[bhooshaniyer]

Speaker Corner, Mofi are examples of guys who license titles from the original owners and do their own mastering and release them. They get a license for a limited time period or a limited run. These titles are not sold on the original copyright holder websites.

Practice here in India is something similar. The fact that mastering can be improved is a different topic altogether. But calling them a bootleg is not correct.

If you are not aware of worldwide practice of licensing titles, you should not be commenting on them and label them bootlegs.

In 2012, most of the Indian music companies were willing to license out their titles to me for manufacture of LPs. But I didn’t see much profit in it and turned it down.

I am commenting on this thread from a position of understanding of what this license business is about.

You can comment from any position you like..I don't understand on what basis you say that current vinyl sounds better than first edition cds when you yourself admit the master file for those vinyls come from streaming masters..why would they sound better than first edition cds made in 90s when there was no streaming and there was decent attempt to make the cd sound good, especially after Rahmans entry. I can understand if one is defensive if one is too close to it and only a producer. You are also consumer and enthusiast, you shd be aghast at what gets passed for vinyl mastering now in india.

 

[prem]

The vinyl masters are from digital copies of the original masters.

Where does streaming come into the picture?

Titles like Barfi, Parineeta, Omkara, Bajirao Mastan, Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam and many more are far better sounding on vinyl than the first press CDs of these titles. If these titles are not sounding good on your system, then you should probably go and hear these vinyls at Arj’s or Dr Bass’s place.

Listen to Rahman titles like Yuva, Jodha Akbar, Rang De Basanti, Ok Jaanu, Raanjhana, etc on vinyl. It’s very impressive.

Listening to some of these new film vinyls actually gives you the impression of being a studio.

If you tell me Aashiqui, Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin, Raja Hindustani, etc vinyls sound bad, I agree. Here the original master sound itself sucks. So not much you can do. I have heard these masters in the music company studio.

Even though CDs and vinyls are made from the same master, the mastering process for a cd is normally a bit compromised so that they sound loud. That same problem doesn’t exist when these digital copies are used for vinyl mastering.

 

[bhooshaniyer]

Speaker Corner, Mofi are examples of guys who license titles from the original owners and do their own mastering and release them.

Speakers corner, mofi, apo etc don't release the vinyls under the strength or the marketing muscle of riverside or columbia or atlantic etc. they launch on their own brand and remaster credential. Here its anything but the same. Pls.

The vinyl masters are from digital copies of the original masters.

Where does streaming come into the picture?

Titles like Barfi, Parineeta, Omkara, Bajirao Mastan, Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam and many more are far better sounding on vinyl than the first press CDs of these titles. If these titles are not sounding good on your system, then you should probably go and hear these vinyls at Arj’s or Dr Bass’s place.

Listen to Rahman titles like Yuva, Jodha Akbar, Rang De Basanti, Ok Jaanu, Raanjhana, etc on vinyl. It’s very impressive.

Listening to some of these new film vinyls actually gives you the impression of being a studio.

If you tell me Aashiqui, Dil Hai Ke Manta Nahin, Raja Hindustani, etc vinyls sound bad, I agree. Here the original master sound itself sucks. So not much you can do. I have heard these masters in the music company studio.

Even though CDs and vinyls are made from the same master, the mastering process for a cd is normally a bit compromised so that they sound loud. That same problem doesn’t exist when these digital copies are used for vinyl mastering.

All the titles you mentioned are not recently released by Suresh and ramesh. They are all unobtainium perhaps because they were properly mastered. Each of those titles may be selling now in recirculation for 20k-30k each. This is a moot point. This is not representative of the vinyls being released NOW for 3k 4k every week by enthusiasts. I refer to those as bootleg and they sound inferior to cd.

Ps: you are anyone is welcome to visit my place anytime for a listen. I have a decent collection to dig in especially for my fav titles I collect 7/8 editions. Not something you can see often at one place. I am sure there are better systems at others place. That's life

 

[prem]

I was referring to the vinyls released a few years back. I wasn’t referring to the actual ones rereleased recently. I haven’t heard them. So have no comments. Having said that I did buy Om Shanti Om and Jaane Tu Ya Jaane Na. They were fine. Nothing great. Decent.

Mofi might be remastering but the principle of licensing is same. And that is what I was referring to. Here Blisstainment is licensing from Venus and releasing vinyls and has its own distribution network. It’s the same concept of licensing as Mofi.

 

[bhooshaniyer]

I was referring to the vinyls released a few years back. I wasn’t referring to the actual ones rereleased recently. I haven’t heard them. So have no comments. Having said that I did buy Om Shanti Om and Jaane Tu Ya Jaane Na. They were fine. Nothing great. Decent.

Mofi might be remastering but the principle of licensing is same. And that is what I was referring to.

So we have been talking over each other on imaginary plane. The discussion is about recently released lps. The post was made on Jan 15 2025 or there abouts and there is a website referenced..now you can revisit my points again or not.

 

[prem]

I was primarily referring to you calling it bootleg. Even though some Rajesh or Suresh must have released the new ones, they are still official. They would have got the license from the original copyright owners.

 

[bhooshaniyer]

I was primarily referring to you calling it bootleg. Even though some Rajesh or Suresh must have released the new ones, they are still official. They would have got the license from the original copyright owners.

Well it quacks like a duck,.is a duck. Have a good day.

 

[prem]

Well it quacks like a duck,.is a duck. Have a good day.

You too. Have a great day.